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voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:30:00 - [1] Edited by: voogru on 09/11/2007 01:34:41 Edited by: voogru on 09/11/2007 01:30:26 With all of the threads whining about farmers, macros, isk spammers, isk sellers, isk buyers, and other evil doers I figured I'd make a signature people could use to show their hate for the players that are ruining EVE day by day. And feel that CCP isn't being pro-active enough against them (Raises hand) This thread is not a debate about farmers/macros/isk sellers/isk buyers/isk buyers. Now, whats so special about this signature? Every time it's loaded, it updates a number showing how many times it has been loaded, the more people that start using this as a signature, the more times it gets loaded. Think of it as a petition, and every time it gets loaded, it gets signed. Now, how do you use it? Easy. Simply use this image: http://www.voogru.com/images/signature/farmers.jpg as your signature. It's within the rules of the forum, so mods can't rape you if you use it.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:52:00 - [2] Edited by: madaluap on 09/11/2007 01:52:23 I didnt read your post, but i just LOVE pressing F5 to see how many times i can load your sig. omg highscore Just made it go up 50 times ^^ edit: just read the post, this kind of ruines the F5 game though. Maybe you should call it: Sig, reloaded. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:54:00 - [3] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 09/11/2007 01:52:23 I didnt read your post, but i just LOVE pressing F5 to see how many times i can load your sig. omg highscore Just made it go up 50 times ^^ edit: just read the post, this kind of ruines the F5 game though. Maybe you should call it: Sig, reloaded. Yeah, it shows how many times it's reloaded. I could make it only show it once per IP, but that's too complex for a little thing like this.
Claude Leon	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:07:00 - [4] As long as CCP continues to accept the timecard for isk trade, they really can't do a damn thing.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Claude Leon As long as CCP continues to accept the timecard for isk trade, they really can't do a damn thing. Originally by: voogru This thread is not a debate about farmers/macros/isk sellers/isk buyers
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:12:00 - [6] I hate farmers, don't much care one way or the other about buyers except that they feed the farmers Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Ogdru Jahad Amarr War Dawgs	Posted - 2007.11.09 03:10:00 - [7] hey voog's I recently petition Substitution because & EXCESSIVE YOU for potentual isk laundring ring. needless to say I got a gm responce... while i cant hand out details i am happy with the result so far :) wink wink - At last the Gallente can finally lay claim to saying... "my DICtor" is bigger than yours.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.09 03:30:00 - [8] Great idea voogru and I totally support your cause! I would use your siggy if I wasn't already flying my own flag... Anyways, keep it up! >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:03:00 - [9] Macrointel Says: Hell yes! Join Macrointel!
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:10:00 - [10] Voogru... Sold! BTW people, head on over to the game time code forum and tell the guys selling game time cards about the issue of farmers. Some of the GTC people are unaware they are selling to farmers, and others will not do it when it is obvious that they are selling cards to farmers. just one more thing we can do to help try to stop the spread of dirty isk.
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:25:00 - [11] I didn't need my sig , anyway.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:37:00 - [12] I just single handedly added about 60 or 70 to that number... And my fingers hurt... -----sig-starts-here------ I survived Armageddon Day. I'm just too lazy to put a picture of a nuke in here.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Verx Interis I just single handedly added about 60 or 70 to that number... And my fingers hurt... TBH guys, it's not about inflating a number. I spend a TON of time, as does Voogru and others that hunt farmers. CCP needs to acknowledge this is an issue and try to help us help them stop it. If they see some really huge number because someone hit reload 50 times it means zip... if they see 10,000 people on the forums with this sig it starts to make them think about it.
MorbidPenguin Hard Corp Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:44:00 - [14] I'll happily use it as my sig. Let's get rid of these people ruining the game.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:45:00 - [15] Edited by: Loyal Servant on 09/11/2007 04:45:07 Originally by: MorbidPenguin I'll happily use it as my sig. Let's get rid of these people ruining the game. I think you forgot the end tag there, boss NVM you got it :)
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Verx Interis I just single handedly added about 60 or 70 to that number... And my fingers hurt... TBH guys, it's not about inflating a number. I spend a TON of time, as does Voogru and others that hunt farmers. CCP needs to acknowledge this is an issue and try to help us help them stop it. If they see some really huge number because someone hit reload 50 times it means zip... if they see 10,000 people on the forums with this sig it starts to make them think about it. Yeah, I get that part.. I just wanted to see how much I could add... If I was willing to have an image as my signature I would put this there.. -----sig-starts-here------ I survived Armageddon Day. I'm just too lazy to put a picture of a nuke in here.
TheG2 Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.09 05:25:00 - [17] I'm all for this.
Quarc I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.11.09 07:07:00 - [18] Signed, and, added.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.11.09 07:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Gone''Postal on 09/11/2007 07:32:40 Done.. \0/ DoH! forgot img tags... \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/ "Eve" Proof that <1FPS games can still generate income.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Verx Interis I just single handedly added about 60 or 70 to that number... And my fingers hurt... TBH guys, it's not about inflating a number. I spend a TON of time, as does Voogru and others that hunt farmers. CCP needs to acknowledge this is an issue and try to help us help them stop it. If they see some really huge number because someone hit reload 50 times it means zip... if they see 10,000 people on the forums with this sig it starts to make them think about it. CCP, reads the forum. If they start seeing a lot of players with the same signature, pilotly asking CCP to become more pro-active against the ISK Sellers/ISK Farmers/ISK Buyers, I'm thinking they may be more inclined to do something about it. It'll be kind of cool when CCP opens a thread, and everyone has the same signature that says the same thing. The statistic on it is just an add-on to that message. Rather than make a bunch of whine threads about farmers that clutter the forum, the idea is to make every post a player makes, a little reminder, that the ISK Sellers & ISK Farmers, need to start getting properly dealt with. The devs might be scared of ISK Farmer/Seller threads and probably don't view them as much as other threads. So, by using this as a sig, your forcing them to see problems that need to be fixed, even when they go open a thread that's talking about something completely different.
Ess Erbe Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:34:00 - [21] As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature!
N1029676	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:41:00 - [22] Please consider making an additional image using smaller dimensions like 300x25. I would be more than happy to have this as a sig and all over my websites.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:44:00 - [23] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/11/2007 11:44:04 I don't really mind all those macro/isk sellers/adverts. Honestly. It's like, living in the jungle and having a few small bugs flying about. First, "argh get away!", then "Meh...", then you just let 'em be. If they weren't here, i wouldn't mind, if they are here, i don't bother that much. Ignoring isk spammers is almost a game ISKIMONS! Gotta block 'em all! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Slash Arcane	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:08:00 - [24] Originally by: voogru And feel that CCP isn't being pro-active enough against them (Raises hand) This thread is not a debate about farmers/macros/isk sellers/isk buyers. Yes, it isn't a thread to debate abt farmers et al but I will comment on this petition. You see but you don't look. Think about it for a second. Just take a look at the Character and Timecode bazaar. You see 3 things (duh): 1) People and yes even legit ppl selling GTCs for ISK. 2) People, usually the vets, buying GTCs with ISK. 3) People selling characters for ISK. Granted there are many reasons for each, but the bottom line is that there is a way, a legit way, to use RL money to get ingame ISK, and CCP puts its stamp of approval on it. Who really, I mean REALLY buys 6 to 10 GTCs to play EVE, then goes, "Hmmm I bought too many, I'll just sell it"? Come on... the express purpose was to use real money to buy ISK. CCP might as well open up the EVE Store to directly allow players to buy ISK. Face it, it's all about the money. Fanfest? It's a festival for fans. To spend more money on their beloved game. Power of 2? It's so that people can build a pvp/ind/research alt which they can then later sell off for ISK. Who really, I mean REALLY, sells characters? People who leave that's who. Character swap I understand u wanna try something different, but if u're leaving, why sell characters for ISK? Come on... It's all about the money. If there are ways to get real money into CCP's wallet, it'll stay. Power of 2, Secure GTC transfer, portrait change, character transfer. Your petition shouldn't be to stop farmers/sellers. Your petition should be for CCP to stop legitimising real money to ISK conversions.
Darth Nerf	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:15:00 - [25] Yes I hate them! And I feel that CCP isn't being pro-active enough against them!
Yumis Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:43:00 - [26] I totally agree I think CCP needs to do more to stop them...
Khatred Fluffy Mungoose Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:45:00 - [27] I only hate macros. Farming, selling and buying are ok imo so what portion of the sig I load har har?
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:24:00 - [28] Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 09/11/2007 13:26:14 Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 09/11/2007 13:25:41 EDIT: Third try... I think this'll work.
The Wounded	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:28:00 - [29] Just get a gang up and kill them when you spot them. And tbh i doubt a signature will help.
Haleuth Amarr EndlessCycle	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:40:00 - [30] /signed
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:05:00 - [31] Originally by: The Wounded Just get a gang up and kill them when you spot them. And tbh i doubt a signature will help. They cloak. They log. They have the 'I win eve' button, at the moment. And they infest the game time code forum heavily, so do your part in pointing them out to people and fly with this sig :)
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:33:00 - [32] Done! Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.

GM Nova Game Masters	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:39:00 - [33] Hey voogru, Can you add /buyers after the "Sellers." You're my man voogru...

Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:56:00 - [34] Originally by: GM Nova Hey voogru, Can you add /buyers after the "Sellers." You're my man voogru... Nova.... What of the massive number of farmer accounts that infest eve using GTCs? If they are using dirty isk for the GTCs do the sellers of these GTCs get burned when they get discovered? I know it's not fair to the GTC seller but some of it is just blatantly obvious.
Sqalevon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:04:00 - [35] I support this.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Sqalevon I support this. I'm glad because CVA protect farmers in providence.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Sqalevon I support this. I'm glad because CVA protect farmers in providence. Noted... Join Macrointel!
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:11:00 - [38] /Signed. Seen RMT groups ruin several games I've played.
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:14:00 - [39] o/ Isk laundering 4t ignore
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:28:00 - [40] Originally by: GM Nova Hey voogru, Can you add /buyers after the "Sellers." You're my man voogru... Yes, I'll be tweaking it to show buyers but I had to cut it short due to time. Also, in my opinion, if the sellers are gone after, it's easy to catch the buyers. I intended the general term ISK Sellers, and imply this meaning to it: People directly responsible for transfering ISK to legitimate non-farming characters (ISK Buyers) People directly responsible for transfering ISK to people who transfer ISK to those non-farming characters (ISK Farmers) You go after the ISK Sellers, the buyers come with the territory automagically. Hate Farmers? Click Here
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:09:00 - [41] Yeah, pull up contracts and go thru the faction item contracts. Within the first 5-10 minutes you will find a farmer selling a faction item that has bought 1 paradise cruise missile or a defender missile for 1 billion isk or some other inflated price. We know, CCP knows, the isk farmer shops know that we know, but keep doing it beacause there has been -0- action against it. The instant the 1 billion isk for 1 unit of ammo or a noobship trades stop producing legit isk transfers for them they will probably move to something less public, like trades at the station that we cannot see, but inconvenient for them. At that point we will have no way of tracking the trillions of isk flowing from farmers to GTC sellers that end up with lost GTC and isk. (poor bastards) Yes, it's trillions of isk. Go add it up.
Mr Funkadelic Tenacious Danes Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:22:00 - [42] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 09/11/2007 01:52:23 I didnt read your post, but i just LOVE pressing F5 to see how many times i can load your sig. omg highscore Just made it go up 50 times ^^ edit: just read the post, this kind of ruines the F5 game though. Maybe you should call it: Sig, reloaded. I only made it go up 5 times im weak in the f5 key - Dint read the post either
loony zoon	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:41:00 - [43] cba tbh
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.10 02:58:00 - [44] Originally by: loony zoon cba tbh Why did you post then? Hate Farmers? Click Here
Draycar Hazaran Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:10:00 - [45] Count me in!
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:14:00 - [46] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2007 04:15:03 Originally by: voogru Originally by: loony zoon cba tbh Why did you post then? Well its a fair cop tbh, he only really posted 6 characters.... he obviously can't even be asked to write a proper sentence. giggle [edit:typo]
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:16:00 - [47] done ________ "It's a good day to die!"
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.10 05:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Khatred I only hate macros. Farming, selling and buying are ok imo so what portion of the sig I load har har? You know, I just read that message. http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=437 Quote: 4. Evil conglomerates are formed and prices go up! As you probably realize by now, ISK sellers go to great lengths to get their hands on ISK. Recently we busted a blueprint conglomerate that was set up just to skim ISK off the top. That extra ISK was then sold for real life currency. The players involved bought a large number of expensive blueprints over a long period of time with the purpose of monopolizing the market on certain items. They attempted to drive prices as high as possible so that they could skim more money off the top and sell more ISK on Ebay. This went on for some time and I am sure that a large number of the playerbase unknowingly felt the effect of this when buying ships and modules. Hey, wait a minute... Don't you have a astronomical stockpile of T2 BPO's? Way to put a big red shiney target on yourself. Hate Farmers? Click Here
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.10 07:56:00 - [49] Count me in ofc =) Opinions are my opinions. They do not reflect view of UCAM, if it is not stated
AS Patriot StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:08:00 - [50] /SIGNED!!!! Lets burn them like witches in the good old middle age days _________________________________________________ I fly for these: And I love it
Darth Nerf	Posted - 2007.11.10 15:08:00 - [51] Signature loaded 50k times \=/
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.10 16:09:00 - [52] let's keep the load counts legit tho :) More people having it means you support our cause. If you hate isk farmers in eve put this image in your sig.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.10 16:14:00 - [53] Originally by: voogru Yes, I'll be tweaking it to show buyers but I had to cut it short due to time. Also, in my opinion, if the sellers are gone after, it's easy to catch the buyers. I intended the general term ISK Sellers, and imply this meaning to it: People directly responsible for transfering ISK to legitimate non-farming characters (The ISK Buyers) People directly responsible for transfering ISK to people who transfer ISK to those non-farming characters (The ISK Farmers) You go after the ISK Sellers, the buyers come with the territory automagically. The problem is that CCP estimate up to 10% of the playerbase to be ISK buyers so that is about 20.000 accounts that the farmers happily can supply with ISK. To permaban buyers at the first offence would be a good start. It's too easy to legally repair negative wallets using GTCs. The numbers above is from the GM roundtables at Fanfest btw. Ambulation: Let us become true headhunters.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.10 16:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Mashie Saldana The problem is that CCP estimate up to 10% of the playerbase to be ISK buyers so that is about 20.000 accounts that the farmers happily can supply with ISK. To permaban buyers at the first offence would be a good start. It's too easy to legally repair negative wallets using GTCs. The numbers above is from the GM roundtables at Fanfest btw. Ok that is just not cool. Then the numbers of isk farmers that I suspect are out there actually fall in line with that. I have maintained that it takes at least 2 accounts to supply 1 isk buyer with his billion a week. An isk farmer told me that they can usually produce by ratting only about 250m a day in isk. That is including the 10-15 officers they get but excluding loot profit.
Quarc I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:51:00 - [55] I'm rather impressed at the number of the times I see the sig in normal posts. Gathered quite a bit of attention. Keep going, make it your sig! Yes, the more the better..... Signature loaded: 55,555 times :P
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.11 08:29:00 - [56] The evil doers must not get away! Hate Farmers? Click Here
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.12 19:28:00 - [57] 120k loads whee Hate Farmers? Click Here
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 19:50:00 - [58] I don't hate farmers/macros/isk sellers/isk buyers at all. Hate is a very strong word m8 and should be used with care. I do however dislike iskbuyers a great deal. And don't consider any of their achivements in-game as valid. The farmers merely trying to meet a demand that already exists and earn some money from it.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.12 19:50:00 - [59] CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA. I've submitted over 5 harrassment reports last week, and I get spam in my inbox on a daily basis from 4 or 5 different web sites. CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP, pretty sad if you ask me. The only reason WoW is any good at fighting farming is because they have so many more customers, they can afford to lose over 50,000 accounts in one day.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link?
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over...
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:37:00 - [62] /signed. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Arvald Caldari Tutela Of Obscurum	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:51:00 - [63] / signed i think im gona head over to macrointel when i get home, my noobs need some lessons in ore theaving --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 21:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over... Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over...
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Cpt Fina Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... I love this guy! CCP fanboy in an epic farmer thread You sir, never saw a farmer in eve? YOU FAIL.
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:16:00 - [66] Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 12/11/2007 22:16:32 Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... I love this guy! CCP fanboy in an epic farmer thread You sir, never saw a farmer in eve? YOU FAIL. I highlighted the pieces you may want to read. Now read it again. And again. Now think before posting 'YOU FAIL.' in caps without understanding what you are replying to.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over... Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... Well I am damn glad CCP are not relying on you. Even CCP have managed to ban some. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:30:00 - [68] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 12/11/2007 22:30:58 Originally by: Omega Man Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over... Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... Well I am damn glad CCP are not relying on you. Even CCP have managed to ban some. Even CCP managed? I'm sorry that I didn't realize that even CCP with their inferior methods of collecting data and intel from the database compared to the common customer in any way can efffectively identify farmers or justify bans on their accounts.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:57:00 - [69] Originally by: Cpt Fina Loyal Servant: See Mikelio Raijan's post. Even proof is not enough for a fanboy. Look at other posts where I have posted proof. I guess that all of us that hunt farmers in eve in our spare time are just fabricating this? Instead of giving me a hard time why don't you go look in your nearest empire ice field or random 0.0 system, or have a look at some contracts... follow the isk like the rest of us instead of telling us we are wrong. Prove me wrong... Prove us all wrong.
Karra Dresden	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:07:00 - [70] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Verx Interis I just single handedly added about 60 or 70 to that number... And my fingers hurt... TBH guys, it's not about inflating a number. I spend a TON of time, as does Voogru and others that hunt farmers. CCP needs to acknowledge this is an issue and try to help us help them stop it. If they see some really huge number because someone hit reload 50 times it means zip... if they see 10,000 people on the forums with this sig it starts to make them think about it. CCP, reads the forum. If they start seeing a lot of players with the same signature, pilotly asking CCP to become more pro-active against the ISK Sellers/ISK Farmers/ISK Buyers, I'm thinking they may be more inclined to do something about it. It'll be kind of cool when CCP opens a thread, and everyone has the same signature that says the same thing. The statistic on it is just an add-on to that message. Rather than make a bunch of whine threads about farmers that clutter the forum, the idea is to make every post a player makes, a little reminder, that the ISK Sellers & ISK Farmers, need to start getting properly dealt with. The devs might be scared of ISK Farmer/Seller threads and probably don't view them as much as other threads. So, by using this as a sig, your forcing them to see problems that need to be fixed, even when they go open a thread that's talking about something completely different. CCP is a business and is aware of their monthly income. As such they realize that a total *****down were it possible (its not) would cost them potentially millions of dollars. Though, I'd guess after reading enough of your posts, Voogru, you probably think that you are more important to CCP than their bottom line. -Karlemgne (aka a person who actually has made MMOs for a living and knows wtf he's talking about unlike some others who spam the forums with "I hate isk seller/buyer" threads)
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:17:00 - [71] CCP can change the EULA anytime they like. Till that time voogru is simply asking CCP to enforce their own rules. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:24:00 - [72] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 12/11/2007 23:25:22 Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Loyal Servant: See Mikelio Raijan's post. Even proof is not enough for a fanboy. Look at other posts where I have posted proof. In case I claim that there are 0 farmers in Eve we've both posted equally reliable statistics. Originally by: Loyal Servant I guess that all of us that hunt farmers in eve in our spare time are just fabricating this? Did I say that? Or am I merely questioning whether your methods are reliable or not? Originally by: Loyal Servant Instead of giving me a hard time... follow the isk like the rest of us instead of telling us we are wrong. Please link or quote me where I claim that you are wrong. You thought you could quote me asking for solid proof, post some numbers without any backup with the apparent intention to provide said proof or convince me without me being suspicious? Are you still clinging on to your original numbers and are you able to provide any solid verification or are you going to let Pitt Bull defend his statement? Originally by: Loyal Servant Prove me wrong... Prove us all wrong. Why would I? I havenÆt disagreed with anything in this thread except that I donÆt feel hatred towards Isk-buyers. I have merely asked for verification of a post that contained accusations towards CCP without anything to back it up. ItÆs hard discussing with you when you donÆt seem to manage to understand what IÆm posting, able to refrain from personal insults nor distinguish suitable proof from personal experience.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Omega Man CCP can change the EULA anytime they like. Till that time voogru is simply asking CCP to enforce their own rules. Was that an answer to my post? If so then I'm not sure how it is relevant to what I wrote. You mean that they can change the EULA so it includes guidelines to how we, as players, are to identify isk-farmers? Please elaborate
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.13 01:04:00 - [74] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Omega Man CCP can change the EULA anytime they like. Till that time voogru is simply asking CCP to enforce their own rules. Was that an answer to my post? If so then I'm not sure how it is relevant to what I wrote. You mean that they can change the EULA so it includes guidelines to how we, as players, are to identify isk-farmers? Please elaborate Only a matter of time before people start chiming in asking for us to prove these guys are farmers. Why would CCP state in another thread they are, and claim to ban them - yet they show in my address book. That thread was named 'Large scale criminal activity' Add some of those to your address book, and then ask me why they are still logging in... banned? I did not say it, a CCP representative did.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.13 01:21:00 - [75] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 13/11/2007 01:21:56 Are you going to reply to my answer or not? Originally by: Loyal Servant Why would CCP state in another thread they are, and claim to ban them - yet they show in my address book. Have no idea. Ask CCP, I haven't expressed myself in this matter in this thread. Why do you bring it up? Originally by: Loyal Servant That thread was named 'Large scale criminal activity' Add some of those to your address book, and then ask me why they are still logging in... banned? Have no idea. Ask CCP, I haven't expressed myself in this matter in this thread. Why do you bring it up? Originally by: Loyal Servant I did not say it, a CCP representative did. Say what? Are you aware that you are quoting me as I reply to another player, not you?
Komen Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.13 02:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Ess Erbe As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature! I have a solution to isk selling spam. I set the fee for anyone not in my address book to 100K isk per mail/convo. I have since not received one single spam eve-mail. It's beautiful, and I encourage anyone being spammed by isk-sellers to do as I have done. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________ Redo the Domi hull for Trinity 2. Scrap the upside down shoe! Do it!
Durisis	Posted - 2007.11.13 08:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Komen Originally by: Ess Erbe As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature! I have a solution to isk selling spam. I set the fee for anyone not in my address book to 100K isk per mail/convo. I have since not received one single spam eve-mail. It's beautiful, and I encourage anyone being spammed by isk-sellers to do as I have done. what?? using the anti-spam utility as it is intended? what outrageously preposterous lies!!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.15 05:26:00 - [78] ^ Hate Farmers? Click Here
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.15 22:14:00 - [79] even on Slashdot..... They talk about isk farmers in eve.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.17 00:19:00 - [80] ^ Hate Farmers? Click Here
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.17 00:53:00 - [81] I hates meeses to pieces!!!! Join Macrointel!
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:15:00 - [82] Originally by: Durisis Originally by: Komen Originally by: Ess Erbe As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature! I have a solution to isk selling spam. I set the fee for anyone not in my address book to 100K isk per mail/convo. I have since not received one single spam eve-mail. It's beautiful, and I encourage anyone being spammed by isk-sellers to do as I have done. what?? using the anti-spam utility as it is intended? what outrageously preposterous lies!! The people who get spammed most often are in the Rookie Help channel and I doubt many of them know about that feature (I didn't until now.) Even if they did, it would restrict new players from making contact with corps, other players, etc. I think the most likely buyer of ISK is a person who just joined the game within the past year (100M ISK seems like a whole lot more when you're new to the game.) I'm sure many vets are also relying on ISK farmers, too, but they don't need to be advertised to anymore because they found the place to buy ISK when they were in the Rookie Help channel... I wouldn't even be the slightest bit surprised if gankers buy 100M ISK, buy a new ship and then double up their ISK by camping in Jita for half an hour or so until a 1B cargo transport shows up... ISK farming affects the economy, player action, corp status, hell everything gets messed up because of it.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.18 21:02:00 - [83] 320k! Hate Farmers? Click Here
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.24 04:27:00 - [84] 500k Hate Farmers? Click Here
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.24 05:14:00 - [85] There was a new board flood yesterday morning, Voogru. Nice to know CCP's taking direct and decisive action. The three major measurements of power in this game are money, time, and connections. Now, two can be easily bought.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.24 05:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Amarria Black There was a new board flood yesterday morning, Voogru. Nice to know CCP's taking direct and decisive action. The three major measurements of power in this game are money, time, and connections. Now, two can be easily bought. New board flood? I don't understand.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:11:00 - [87] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Amarria Black There was a new board flood yesterday morning, Voogru. Nice to know CCP's taking direct and decisive action. The three major measurements of power in this game are money, time, and connections. Now, two can be easily bought. New board flood? I don't understand. Someone with a gibberish name uses a script to post a link to an isk-selling site on every EVE board pretty much simultaneously.
Viruzzz2	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:05:00 - [88] Edited by: Viruzzz2 on 26/11/2007 04:06:42 Originally by: Pitt Bull The only reason WoW is any good at fighting farming is because they have so many more customers, they can afford to lose over 50,000 accounts in one day. You think there are no botters in WoW? there are. you just don't see them cause the places they farm are instanced, shielding them completely from public view, if anything there are more in WoW than there is in EVE, because the game is more popular and it's not like they ban 50.000 accounts every* day. Originally by: Durisis what?? using the anti-spam utility as it is intended? what outrageously preposterous lies!! That 'blocks' legit mail too sadly. No matter what you do farmers will always exist. I find it weird though, that everyone always attacks the sellers and farmers. It's the buyers that you need to do something about. The sellers don't care if they lose an account, they can easily start up a new one. and unless you actually get the farmer accounts they wont even have to worry about any skill training, they can do their "job" as effectively with a 1d old account as they can with a 6mo old account scaring the buyers is more effective than banning the sellers. since they actually fear losing the time they invested in skills. Edit: i really gotta delete this char from my account. ~Freya Runestone
Amateratsu Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.26 05:22:00 - [89] testing signature:P
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.26 12:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Amateratsu testing signature:P Please do something about the hypocritical little bastards who post in these threads but are still in alliances that are allied with or even those that directly benefit from ISK farmers.
Miss Greed	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:16:00 - [91] Updated.
Kuga Kita Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:11:00 - [92] o7
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:30:00 - [93] jumping lately on the bandwagon. Not that i have paticularly strong feelings about the subject I just wanna look kewl
Kill Mail Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:34:00 - [94] Good idea, too bad the sigs burn me eyes
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.01 21:35:00 - [95] There was an interesting article in the New York Times about gold farmers actually. Turns out, most of them are paid depending on how much gold/ISK/whatever they generate, and the pay rate is pretty terrible. Not only that, but every time they get killed, they lose money. All of which has made me a little more sympathetic to them. I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. - "Stitcher" is just a call sign. My name is Verin Tarn-Hakatain.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 07:51:00 - [96] Originally by: Stitcher I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. If someone relies on playing a video game to feed themselves, I wouldn't lose sleep if they died.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.02 08:01:00 - [97] Originally by: Stitcher All of which has made me a little more sympathetic to them. I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. Y'know, I'm really not keen on the guy down the street who's running a meth lab, but the guy's gotta eat, so live and let live, eh? So long as their behavior affects me and my gameplay, they don't get an ounce of sympathy.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.02 08:02:00 - [98] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Stitcher I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. If someone relies on playing a video game to feed themselves, I wouldn't lose sleep if they died. Harsh.. but yes, IAC/KOS/Smash/CPU/hopes of pirate/all other farmers should die
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.02 08:25:00 - [99] Edited by: voogru on 02/12/2007 08:25:40 Originally by: Stitcher All of which has made me a little more sympathetic to them. I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. Yeah, like they can't find other jobs that are more honorable? They are lazy and want to sit and play video games. I guess crime is okay as long as you do it to feed your family huh? The fact is they are violating the game rules, there are games that allow RMT but they play the ones that don't. Don't you want CCP to enforce their own rules? Either that, or fully legalize ISK Selling, I'd be one RICH bastard if that ever happened. Hate Farmers? Click Here
Jonathan Mcarthur Caldari Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:31:00 - [100] Signed, Though CCP can easily kill all the Macro Miners if they want if they just add a anti script or anti bot program that goes and routes out all programs that are working in tangent with eve, though it wouldn't effect data dumps and date exports, it's more likely to hurt training query programs available...
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.06 06:31:00 - [101] Almost to 1 million. Hate Farmers? Click Here
Dreaux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:12:00 - [102] /signed Hate Farmers? Click Here.
Dreaux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 - [103] Its impossible to be in Jita without see a lot of characters spamming the local with isk seller sites. Some of them still in there for a several hours.. Its time to put some1 looking for same IPs of different accounts and blocking all accounts of the same IP ? Hate Farmers? Click Here.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:15:00 - [104] I heard that CCP were going to delete boot.ini off any machine found to be buying, selling or farming. Can anyone confirm I made that up? -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
wurldofhurt	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:45:00 - [105] Edited by: wurldofhurt on 06/12/2007 15:45:28 i hate isk sellers and there spam
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 - [106] I missed the million by 6000 ish For saying all these PC's won't boot up, they seem to be posting just fine. Is that tantamount to holocaust denial? -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
BlackKnightMagik	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:37:00 - [107] The problem with you "macro hunters" is that you automatically assume that anyone that is mining is an ISK Farmer. So I assume that is how you get the extreme numbers of ISK Farmer in your "statistics" I know several people that ONLY mine and hate to run missions or PVP (Trust me I do nothing but give them ****) and I know for a fact that they do not sell to the Farmers. The same rush that you get from PvP these twisted individuals get from see a belt full of ore. So try to keep that in mind with your "statistic" of all the ISK Farmers.
Wako Jako	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:36:00 - [108] Originally by: Slash Arcane Originally by: voogru And feel that CCP isn't being pro-active enough against them (Raises hand) This thread is not a debate about farmers/macros/isk sellers/isk buyers. Yes, it isn't a thread to debate abt farmers et al but I will comment on this petition. You see but you don't look. Think about it for a second. Just take a look at the Character and Timecode bazaar. You see 3 things (duh): 1) People and yes even legit ppl selling GTCs for ISK. 2) People, usually the vets, buying GTCs with ISK. 3) People selling characters for ISK. Granted there are many reasons for each, but the bottom line is that there is a way, a legit way, to use RL money to get ingame ISK, and CCP puts its stamp of approval on it. Who really, I mean REALLY buys 6 to 10 GTCs to play EVE, then goes, "Hmmm I bought too many, I'll just sell it"? Come on... the express purpose was to use real money to buy ISK. CCP might as well open up the EVE Store to directly allow players to buy ISK. Face it, it's all about the money. Fanfest? It's a festival for fans. To spend more money on their beloved game. Power of 2? It's so that people can build a pvp/ind/research alt which they can then later sell off for ISK. Who really, I mean REALLY, sells characters? People who leave that's who. Character swap I understand u wanna try something different, but if u're leaving, why sell characters for ISK? Come on... It's all about the money. If there are ways to get real money into CCP's wallet, it'll stay. Power of 2, Secure GTC transfer, portrait change, character transfer. Your petition shouldn't be to stop farmers/sellers. Your petition should be for CCP to stop legitimising real money to ISK conversions. Slash is totally right. As long as CCP is getting isk in thier pocket they dont mind. But if an independant does it then it is wrong. While i hate being spammed to death by the isk farmers/sellers I cant really stop them either, with that said how can CCP? Whos to say that the dude mining isnt playing with his chat panes minimized??
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:52:00 - [109] Today CCP did something against the ISK selling spam. Trial accounts can no longer post on the Eve forums... radical solution , will the same happen with in-game channels ? This highlights how dire the problem became , that CCP had to make a move that might deter future clients. It's time they start working on the ISK farmers' infrastructure really.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:34:00 - [110] Originally by: BlackKnightMagik The problem with you "macro hunters" is that you automatically assume that anyone that is mining is an ISK Farmer. So I assume that is how you get the extreme numbers of ISK Farmer in your "statistics" Not me. I've never been wrong about a player I accused of being a farmer. I even had one time where a farmer denied doing anything wrong, only for him to mail me a few weeks later telling me to petition him so he gets banned and doesnt have to farm anymore, as well as a note that if I see him online again it's probably not him. Hate Farmers? Click Here
Krystal Divine Minmatar Ever Flow	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:31:00 - [111] signed I'm beginning to wonder if CCP even checks on the Heimatar region. In a system called Ingunn the population has inflated from 10-15 players (max, at peak playtime) to over 150 players. Who are these new people? Haulers. All of them. And all of them are in the rookie corp. They run in and out of Ingunn all day, all night. What happens when you blow them up? They drop mission loot, and come right back out 15 minutes later in a fresh hauler. None ever talk or change course or ship type, or do anything to prove they're not macrohauling isk farmers.
Chithso Castro	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:20:00 - [112] Edited by: Chithso Castro on 09/12/2007 10:21:12 Originally by: Krystal Divine signed I'm beginning to wonder if CCP even checks on the Heimatar region. In a system called Ingunn the population has inflated from 10-15 players (max, at peak playtime) to over 150 players. Who are these new people? Haulers. All of them. And all of them are in the rookie corp. They run in and out of Ingunn all day, all night. What happens when you blow them up? They drop mission loot, and come right back out 15 minutes later in a fresh hauler. None ever talk or change course or ship type, or do anything to prove they're not macrohauling isk farmers. ima set my dest there...poppoppop any way i dont get bothered with those mails you guys are talking about.mabe max 1mail a week. dont rly care about this. but i like to blow stuff up so macro haulers be afraid
Iesiama Nobalte Chinese ISK Farmers	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:14:00 - [113] I wholeheartedly support this thread. Post with your main or STFU
Yorlock	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:21:00 - [114] I fear I have been lax in pod killing them of late. I shall try and pod a few more.
Yorlock	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Stitcher There was an interesting article in the New York Times about gold farmers actually. Turns out, most of them are paid depending on how much gold/ISK/whatever they generate, and the pay rate is pretty terrible. Not only that, but every time they get killed, they lose money. All of which has made me a little more sympathetic to them. I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. Just because they basicaly slave labor it does not excuse their profane insults involving my sister, mother, and livestock they love to fill local with. Nor does it excuse their exploits and their masters attempts to steal and hack accounts. They are criminals... treat them as such. [Dont fall for that 'PC' "feed the children" crap.. they laughing at you all the way to the bank]
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:52:00 - [116] 1.3m yay Hate Farmers? Click Here
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.13 00:27:00 - [117] Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/12/2007 00:27:18 Originally by: voogru 1.3m yay The great Messiah of isk farmer killers--Voogru the almighty one--speaks. 1.3 million eh? Considering it counts every time someone looks at a thread, reloads a page, etc, etc I'm not so sure how awesome that number is. For example, I'm probably responsible for 10,000 of those loads (add another when I post this) and I couldn't disagree with you, or the whole idea behind what that forum signature stands for more. -Karl
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.13 00:41:00 - [118] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Stitcher I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. If someone relies on playing a video game to feed themselves, I wouldn't lose sleep if they died. Are you going to provide any solid proof for your statement earlier in this thread or is it ok by you if we all start to accuse eachother for various stuff without anything to back it up?
Lothros Andastar Gallente Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:31:00 - [119] All i can say is Viva la SIG!
Sal Alo Minmatar STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:34:00 - [120] /see my signature
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.16 00:09:00 - [121] Edited by: voogru on 16/12/2007 00:08:47 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: voogru 1.3m yay The great Messiah of isk farmer killers--Voogru the almighty one--speaks. 1.3 million eh? Considering it counts every time someone looks at a thread, reloads a page, etc, etc I'm not so sure how awesome that number is. For example, I'm probably responsible for 10,000 of those loads (add another when I post this) and I couldn't disagree with you, or the whole idea behind what that forum signature stands for more. -Karl I doubt you loaded the signature 10,000 times. Want me to go into the logs and check? It's purposly increasing it every time it's loaded. Thats why it says "Loaded x times" and not "X people support this sig". Hate Farmers? Click Here
Jonan Amraphenson Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.27 02:47:00 - [122] Edited by: Jonan Amraphenson on 27/12/2007 02:47:56 /signed
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.27 04:05:00 - [123] Black Out support macroing by befriending many macro corps & alliances Knights of Southern Cross support and support it.. I wish these people would grow a spine and leave their corp/alliance over this, I think that might be a better solution than an gaudy forum signature.
Ang Sun Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.01.02 10:02:00 - [124] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Stitcher I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. If someone relies on playing a video game to feed themselves, I wouldn't lose sleep if they died. Harsh.. but yes, IAC/KOS/Smash/CPU/hopes of pirate/all other farmers should die LOL dont call me a frikkin farmer. I'm broke all the time. You wanna give me cheap isk for free m'kay ? But dont forget to make those isk legaly i wont take your bought iskies. I gonna include something im my sig but yours is just Nice idea though. Btw is paying 14,95 a month like buying isk?!?! Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:53:00 - [125] Originally by: Ang Sun Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Stitcher I still don't agree with the practice, but it's stopped me from blowing up every macro miner I see, because at the end of the day it's taking food out of someone's mouth. If someone relies on playing a video game to feed themselves, I wouldn't lose sleep if they died. Harsh.. but yes, IAC/KOS/Smash/CPU/hopes of pirate/all other farmers should die LOL dont call me a frikkin farmer. I'm broke all the time. You wanna give me cheap isk for free m'kay ? But dont forget to make those isk legaly i wont take your bought iskies. I gonna include something im my sig but yours is just Nice idea though. Btw is paying 14,95 a month like buying isk?!?! He did not call you a farmer. As a matter of fact I find his response and argument that 'it takes food from someone's mouth' to be completely and utterly false. To argue that you must farm isk to feed your family.. if you got yourself into a situation that you have to feed your family by farming isk in eve...... shoot yourself and make room for someone with half a brain that actually wants a job. People that farm isk and gold want jobs, but they are kids that are being taken advantage of most of the time and are looking for a quick buck, that is all.

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