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Khalm Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 07:40:00 - [1] What I have seen in past couple of weeks in the forums have made me little depressed. Seems, that there is nothing but bad things coming. Many things that use to be good aren't as good anymore. EOS, drones, carriers, ... Well the obvious cool thing is the trinity graphics and the interface improvements. But what about the game it self. Where is the cool new stuff? tech2 battleships? well. blaah. sensor strenght. jump carriers? well. blaah. i guess its must to train because of the carrier nerf. Now Cheer me up! What cool stuff is coming besides what I allready mentioned! ---
Science Lord	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:10:00 - [2] Originally by: Khalm What I have seen in past couple of weeks in the forums have made me little depressed. Seems, that there is nothing but bad things coming. Many things that use to be good aren't as good anymore. EOS, drones, carriers, ... Well the obvious cool thing is the trinity graphics and the interface improvements. But what about the game it self. Where is the cool new stuff? tech2 battleships? well. blaah. sensor strenght. jump carriers? well. blaah. i guess its must to train because of the carrier nerf. Now Cheer me up! What cool stuff is coming besides what I allready mentioned! Well theres.... And Umm the.... Uhhh.... ./Runs away
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:12:00 - [3] Cool trailer showing off cool gfxs for people with dualcore 8800's! It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Kuolematon Cool trailer showing off cool gfxs for people with dualcore 8800's! Actually my 8800 is 320core TYVM. Anyway its DX9 so anyone with a 6 series or x1 series will be able to use it (or higher ofc). --------------------------------- Thorax type R&R. (Ribbed and R rated)
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:49:00 - [5] I'm hoping the good points are the sneaky ones that arn't on the patch notes. \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/ "Eve" Proof that <1FPS games can still generate income.
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:52:00 - [6] i think all the nerfs is the good thing ^^ the bad things is the dissapointing T2 bs's and all the blob warfare comming along.... sigh
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:55:00 - [7] There's some kind of drone buff coming out of the drone regions, but they wont tell us what it is :S ___ All Ur Salvage R Belong 2 Me !
Bodwad Gallente British Federation	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:12:00 - [8] Dont let the grumpy forum farts get you down Any change will make people moan because it means they have to adapt. Most likely they are over hyping the problems the update will cause. Drones will be improved The graphics will be brilliant too but remember that there were possible plans to release this seperate to the large feature update. This sums up to the fact that there will be loads of new features in the original planned release. There are also improvements to Exploration I think, loads of new missions etc As to the ship nerf, dont worry about it. Its very easy to adapt in eve and some of the changes are long overdue. If nothing changed this game would get very boring, very fast
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Bodwad Dont let the grumpy forum farts get you down Any change will make people moan because it means they have to adapt. Most likely they are over hyping the problems the update will cause. Drones will be improved The graphics will be brilliant too but remember that there were possible plans to release this seperate to the large feature update. This sums up to the fact that there will be loads of new features in the original planned release. There are also improvements to Exploration I think, loads of new missions etc As to the ship nerf, dont worry about it. Its very easy to adapt in eve and some of the changes are long overdue. If nothing changed this game would get very boring, very fast Some of us just dislike that the EVE design and revision process seems to involve a dartboard with random nouns, darts labeled "buff", "nerf", and "remove", a blindfold, and a bottle of Jack Daniels.

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:18:00 - [10] Originally by: syphurous There's some kind of drone buff coming out of the drone regions, but they wont tell us what it is :S I thought I had explained it all here - if there's anything you're still unclear about, let me know


Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 09/11/2007 09:20:16 Well graphics don't concern me, i'm just concerned if i'll be able to get all the stuff(new ships/UI improvement/etc) and play as per usual without the graphics. I'm not even sure i want the graphics, as the old engine might work faster My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Khalm Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:41:00 - [12] Ok, new missions and exploration stuff. This sounds good. Ah now the new t2 BS make little more sense with their utility slots. Exploration battleships! Have to sneak up the skill requirements and start training. I have also watched the trailers of the new graphics. Looks amazing. Lukily bought a new computer last Christmas so I can hopefully play it with maximum settings. ---
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Khalm Now Cheer me up! What cool stuff is coming besides what I allready mentioned! What about graphic update? dont you think a update to the whole graphic system is neat and nice? All the ships have been made from scratch, and all in absolutely improved graphic? New gfx engine etc. Or what about Ambulation which will come after Trinity?? It will take a year or so before it hit live though, maybe even more, but hey! The grapich engine is by damn a very good start im my eyes! I also enjoy very much the thought of all the new ships etc... Sarah McTeef: You all should really try and stay on topic. Which when I last checked, was my grocery list
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:56:00 - [14] Drat, forgot to list a good thing: Movable and upgraded fleet / drone interfaces.
Khalm Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Khalm Now Cheer me up! What cool stuff is coming besides what I allready mentioned! What about graphic update? dont you think a update to the whole graphic system is neat and nice? All the ships have been made from scratch, and all in absolutely improved graphic? New gfx engine etc. Or what about Ambulation which will come after Trinity?? It will take a year or so before it hit live though, maybe even more, but hey! The grapich engine is by damn a very good start im my eyes! I also enjoy very much the thought of all the new ships etc... Well I though I mentioned the new graphics and yeah its cool. Ambulation sounds also very exciting, but what I hear its a long way from being ready. And its also nice that they are brining the new ships. But don't mistakenly believe that all new is good. Its not. Especially if it's made with the expense of the old stuff. Best example of this is the carrier cargo nerf to make the jump freighters usable. ---
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Khalm Best example of this is the carrier cargo nerf to make the jump freighters usable. Dont look on it as a nerf. Look on it as a adjustment. Ships are always up for adjustments, and there are a few things I believe will be good coming from this adjustment: 1. No more single pwn motherships sitting on gate using smartbombs. Its too risky now by its own. 2. Reduction in number of used capitals? This is argumented I guess, but I know long before this nerf where brought to our attention people where saying the caps where the worst coming into the game! Because now it turned into Capital online! Other words, people looked on a thanatos as the next "logical" step after getting a battleship! or a CS! And, you know its not! Cap ships are logistic ships! Capitals are support ships! Capitals are fleet operation ships. And, yes. They do have great powerstrength in their right enviroment still! 3. a few more ideas too, ill mention them later on... im at work right now... Sarah McTeef: You all should really try and stay on topic. Which when I last checked, was my grocery list
Uda Nahn Pukin' Dogs D0GMA	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:12:00 - [17] Well me not being Gallente I think the changes to drones are just nber cool
Jack Thurner Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Jack Thurner on 09/11/2007 10:15:40 Don't forget about scripts.. ehm.. brings out his C#/Java/SQL/JavaScript/RUP and other sys. dev. books Bring it! [Edit] Forgot about the MSDN library...
Kastar Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Khalm What I have seen in past couple of weeks in the forums have made me little depressed. Seems, that there is nothing but bad things coming. Many things that use to be good aren't as good anymore. EOS, drones, carriers, ... Just stop it. you're adding to this ridiculous athmosphere just as well with this phrase. Eos, drones, carriers will be changed, but people need to start realizing this doesn't mean they become bad. One won't wtfpwn anymore, and that's a bloody good thing. -----------------------------------------------
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 09/11/2007 10:24:51 A lot of good things coming, mostly good in fact I'd say. Sure, there are some issues. - The damp/TD/sensor booster nerf might be a bit overdone. Gallente and Amarr recons might be hit (too) hard by this. - The Eos triple-nerf leaves it a close-to-worthless ship in any role. - The new torps run the danger of being too good, blaster and pulse laser ships may become close to obsolete. - The Black Ops jump bridge fuel use as compared to the BO cargo capacity seems wonky, and leaves the ships close to useless in practice. ...and stuff like that. However, overall it's looking pretty good. Lots of balance fixes, new ships, etc etc

Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:40:00 - [21] One of the Dev blogs (use eve search) said that with the new GFX and reflective ship hulls, amarr lasers will only do just over half the damage that they do now, though the reflected laser energy may splash damage onto ships nearby the intended target, with subsequent reflections passing the damage onward until the 2x Falloff distance is reached, with square law reductions for de-focussing the beam. probably. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Ather Ialeas Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Jack Thurner Edited by: Jack Thurner on 09/11/2007 10:15:40 Don't forget about scripts.. ehm.. brings out his C#/Java/SQL/JavaScript/RUP and other sys. dev. books Bring it! [Edit] Forgot about the MSDN library... RUP is awful tbh -
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:46:00 - [23] Plenty of good stuff coming up: 1. New drone control system 2. Carrier hauler herf 3. Mineral compression change 4. New fleet management system 5. New killmail system 6. Mass increase for freighters 7. Damp nerf 8. Drone bandwidth One 'meh' thing coming too: 1. New ships And finally, one bad thing: 1. Jump freighters So, the good stuff that'll have positive effects on the game far outweighs the bad..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:46:00 - [24] Everything! Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Uxiz	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:30:00 - [25] cover the nerfs under new shiny graphics and everyone is happy
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:40:00 - [26] For somebody who don't give a damn about mulipurpose carriers and overpowered drone boats I have this to say about the next expansion... It's conna rock ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:46:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Everything! ROFL! wipes monitor clear from coke That was hilarious! .. everything. Oh dear god make it stop! .. oh wait. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:09:00 - [28] I'm looking forward to recon gangs using black ops bs to jump about. I'm not sure about the jump range / cost per jump as I can't fly them yet, but if its reasonable it should be a nice alternative to nano gangs for small corps in terms of survivability.
realbadman	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: CCP Wrangler Everything! ROFL! wipes monitor clear from coke That was hilarious! .. everything. Oh dear god make it stop! .. oh wait.
Hikaru Kai	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:31:00 - [30] Can someone please be kind enough to explain in simple terms what they mean by the "Mineral Compression" changes? Thank you in advance.

Braaage eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Hikaru Kai Can someone please be kind enough to explain in simple terms what they mean by the "Mineral Compression" changes? Thank you in advance. The m3 of certain modules is being upped so take for instance 100mn Microwarp drives, they are currently 10m3 in volume each and have been used to compress minerals so you can move large quantites of ore around as modules. In Trinity these modules get their volume boosted to 50m3 which is more realistic in terms of how much minerals go into making the item. -- eve-guides.com Includes all about POSs, outposts, tech II production, item database and much much more.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:56:00 - [32] I like it because of stuff. I don't like it, 'cause it costs me 300 euros My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:57:00 - [33] Three Words: Electronic. Attack. Ships. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Jack Thurner Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: Jack Thurner Edited by: Jack Thurner on 09/11/2007 10:15:40 Don't forget about scripts.. ehm.. brings out his C#/Java/SQL/JavaScript/RUP and other sys. dev. books Bring it! [Edit] Forgot about the MSDN library... RUP is awful tbh Pfft, you just need a printer with huge capacity :P
Optique Sixth Degree Communications	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: CCP Wrangler Everything! ROFL! wipes monitor clear from coke That was hilarious! .. everything. Oh dear god make it stop! .. oh wait. When the patch is deployed, please take the proper steps to insure that I get your stuff, you obviously won't be needing it. Right?
pony2slow	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:06:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Everything! aslong as the subs are going up thats all that matters right? For the patch. Well not alot of good is coming up. We are getting the new Grapics engine.. WOW im jumping for joy. Other than that we are getting CCP reverting to what they were saying since awhile ago. They are making this game MORE blob warefare when infact they were trying to split up the fleet combats but I guess that went right out the window with this patch. This patch does nothing but encourage bigger blobs to fight meaning more lag not unless the gfx engine is going to reduce the lag. I doubt that. But aslong as the subs are going up right that all that matters. Gald i dont do that fleet crap anymore
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:06:00 - [37] Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 09/11/2007 15:11:53 Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: syphurous There's some kind of drone buff coming out of the drone regions, but they wont tell us what it is :S I thought I had explained it all here - if there's anything you're still unclear about, let me know Not enough. Need security status gains from rats in drone regions. Also need to make sure "faction" drone spawns always drop loot. The simple fact that the rats don't srop any modules or real loot at all makes living in the drone regions a downright terrible experience for anyone who doesn't like production and other mineral based activity. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Kuolzar Caldari Ihatalo Navy	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:17:00 - [38] I just can't wait for Trinity, and whatever good or bad comes with it!
Alloures	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:20:00 - [39] The forums will be upgraded with an "Ignore Poster" button. And my life will be complete.
Tolas Aerthyrian Sovereignty	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:30:00 - [40] The UI enhancements will be nice too :)

Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:34:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Everything! lol Disclaimer: I am a God.
Litheye Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:59:00 - [42] Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome the broadsword is going to be.
Cyclar	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:03:00 - [43] What about EVE wiki, EVE corp matcher and the new Kill mail system ? All nice things
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:05:00 - [44] Quote: Many things that use to be good aren't as good anymore. Should be read as "many things that were overpowered, now aren't as overpowered anymore". Which is a positive development. So we have some good balance changes, some badly needed interface tweaks (especially in drone management), better exploration system, lots of new t2 ships to play with, new missions, new graphics engine, etc. All in all, I'm looking forward to it. Of course, what I really want is factional warfare.
Inturist Nuclear Reactor Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:25:00 - [45] Only few good things i can see there coming : 1) - Graphics 2) - New Ships 3) - Erm 4) - umm 5) - ehh 6) - Meh 7) - Nerf 8) - Hmm 9) - Nerf 10) - Nah , will go get some bree --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Raneru I'm looking forward to falcon gangs using black ops bs to jump about. Fixed it for you.
Southern Kros LOW SEC MINING	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:10:00 - [47] Sadly there is sod all for small corps in this next patch. As an industrial corp feel we have been shafted and no longer trust CCP. We made a foolish move and invested all our ISK in some capital BPO's and trained characters to build them. We sold many of our BPO's to fund this move and now have BPO's and characters that are worth Jack S*. We can't compete with the larger corps on invention for the new ships as we don't have any capital to invest in the infraststructure, BPO and skills required. The new patch has nice new grapics but mean sweet FA when you spend all your time hauling s* from A to B. The new ships are great if you PVP but we build stuff not blow it up. The new freighter is great if you want to move stuff through lowsec and 0.0. Funny but carriers did a good job on that front until you nerf'd them and killed demand. We can't even begin to think about inventing them at 1 Bil per BPO, 4 weeks in labs and 200mil for cores all for a 1 in 10 chance of it working. As the next Patch in the summer (read Winter) is the long awaited faction warfare I can't see much stuff happening for small corps on that front either. CCP, thanks for nothing. MY 2 alt accounts used primarily for capital construction are to be suspended as they serve no f***** purpose anymore. Eve maybe a PVP game but I didn't know CCP were the damn pirates. ----------------------------------------- Just a forum alt for a 58mil SP carebear character. Hey, its safer this way.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:16:00 - [48] MOAR PURDY Yes, I am that superficial. Also, REKWAIR TRINITY DOMINIX PIKTUAR!
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:11:00 - [49] I can't get excited about "cool stuff" in the upcoming expansion because if it's really cool, it'll be made un-cool in the following patches/expansions. This "oh, how neat" - "oh, how nerfed" cycle is tiresome.
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:19:00 - [50] I hear tale that they are putting something into the soda stream... Does anyone know what it is? ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.

Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:21:00 - [51] Everyones been taking their grumpy pills today I see...
Lucia Warbler Eve University	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Alloures The forums will be upgraded with an "Ignore Poster" button. And my life will be complete. I like shiny things. I hope the new graphics engine works alright and doesn't have too many clinches. It is bound to have some... present graphics engine has some still.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:52:00 - [53] I can't believe people actually do NOT care about better graphics or the ambulation part... Tbh reading this thread has made me a little sad. On a good note, rev3 will rock and i can't wait!!! CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Aprudena Gist Caldari Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:55:00 - [54] Originally by: 000Hunter000 I can't believe people actually do NOT care about better graphics or the ambulation part... Tbh reading this thread has made me a little sad. On a good note, rev3 will rock and i can't wait!!! Do you know what better graphics do for the most part? Slow things down and that's bad enough as it is. This so called expansion has left a bad taste in my mouth with nothing but nerfs and a couple new ships to counter those nerfs just seems like a bad idea to me.
Romulus Byers Gallente Interstellar Business Machine VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Southern Kros Sadly there is sod all for small corps in this next patch. As an industrial corp feel we have been shafted and no longer trust CCP. We made a foolish move and invested all our ISK in some capital BPO's and trained characters to build them. We sold many of our BPO's to fund this move and now have BPO's and characters that are worth Jack S*. We can't compete with the larger corps on invention for the new ships as we don't have any capital to invest in the infraststructure, BPO and skills required. The new patch has nice new grapics but mean sweet FA when you spend all your time hauling s* from A to B. The new ships are great if you PVP but we build stuff not blow it up. The new freighter is great if you want to move stuff through lowsec and 0.0. Funny but carriers did a good job on that front until you nerf'd them and killed demand. We can't even begin to think about inventing them at 1 Bil per BPO, 4 weeks in labs and 200mil for cores all for a 1 in 10 chance of it working. As the next Patch in the summer (read Winter) is the long awaited faction warfare I can't see much stuff happening for small corps on that front either. CCP, thanks for nothing. MY 2 alt accounts used primarily for capital construction are to be suspended as they serve no f***** purpose anymore. Eve maybe a PVP game but I didn't know CCP were the damn pirates. amazing post, i agree, i think that CCP is adding lots to the endgame, and leaving the people in the middle hanging, we need love too! otherwise, the graphics engine will give me seizures for the next few months, so that nice...any CCP have any comments on his post?
Korvus Ki	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:16:00 - [56] - Filtering encounters for Unknown multispectral results is pure <3 - moving decrypters out of the farm fest cosmos constellations and increasesing their quantity in radar sites, also great. - New ships all look nifty - New graphics, always fun. - New UI mechanics are freakin awesome. The ability to take apart and move around the overview alone makes this expansion worth it. Fleet window, and even eve voice stuff, are also great. - Chosing the ship type result during an invention job from a bpc with 2 possible outcomes, thank god. No more huginn BPCs coming from inventing on a bellicose. :P - Cargo upgrade on the Rorqual and ship bay upgrade on both Rorqual and carriers, also great, despite the no-cargo-inside-ships-in-bay nerf to carrier hauling. As much as it hurts, it did always weird me out that carriers were used more for hauling than anything else. Fully expanded and rigged Rorq will carry like 120k m3 now, that's better than pre-nerf carriers could fit, and in exchange, carriers can carry 2 BSes in the ship bay.
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Do you know what better graphics do for the most part? Slow things down and that's bad enough as it is. This so called expansion has left a bad taste in my mouth with nothing but nerfs and a couple new ships to counter those nerfs just seems like a bad idea to me. Its a good thing you really understand gfx engines these days. Its a good thing you realize a new gfx engine shifts away from the CPU and speeds things up quite a bit while doing it. Oh wait, you dont know, hence your absolutely ******** incorrect statement! ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Fenderson Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:37:00 - [58] all the new ships are gona be awesome, and the nerfs are mostly going to make the game better for everyone. personally i think the ewar nerf is a bit over the top, but overall i give 2 thumbs up to the upcoming changes. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh dear, how about we all calm down a bit instead?
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:00:00 - [59] The new graphics are going to be jaw droppingly awesome of the screenies I've seen are any basis. Other than that, the Drone improvements are an about-*******-time improvement. The t2 ships don't really do it for me. Nothing I really want to fly. Might try out the vastly buffed interceptors though. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.10 05:13:00 - [60] I'd have thought more pure Caldari would be pleased about getting a hi-slot tackler even if it is just the one. Full List Gleefully Anticipating: - Graphics - Graphics - Keres and Hyena - Interceptor changes - Eos/Mym nerf: aka everything else buff - UI improvements, especially drones - Heat improvements: I may even go so far as to use it now - Free EVE voice: It's not so hot right now but I see this going places in the future. - Torp Changes: Bringing more balance to PvE Not so chuffed about: - Drone scoop nerf - Marauders: I just don't see what these ships are supposed to accomplish - Black-Ops: I expected a BS Cov-Ops not a recon delivery boy - Torps Changes: pure win vs auto's/blasters if you have a Minmatar recon or attack frig with you and perhaps a little over powered without one. Scoop nerf had to happen but I'd really like to see drones slowly regen shield, armor, and structure in the bay. I can rep my ship in space, I can rep my modules, but not my drones. In total I'm looking forward to Trinity more than I am my own Birthday (Nov 19th send ISK ).

Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.11.10 05:33:00 - [61] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Do you know what better graphics do for the most part? Slow things down and that's bad enough as it is. That's only true if the original build of the game was efficiently written already. It wasn't, and much of the graphics work was being done via CPU. This graphics expansion will offload that work and probably give better performance along with the better visuals. Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.11.10 06:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf - Keres and Hyena - Interceptor changes ROFL Keres?? 1/4 the survivability of an Ares which will also get it's scram range bonus. Scrips have severely curtailed damps, so seeing them used on something with the survivability of a nuubship is going to be rare. Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf - UI improvements, especially drones Handy, but will only further clutter an already very, very busy UI. And you can't define where your 'targets' go. They're linked to the selected item pane so if you move it anywhere other than where it is your targets get all sorts of screwy. Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf - Free EVE voice: It's not so hot right now but I see this going places in the future. If Eve Voice doesn't crash/hang when your client does it will definately be FTW. Otherwise... shrug meh, keep my TS/Vent. Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf - Torp Changes: Bringing more balance to PvE Reserving judgment on this, but sounds 'okay' if they up the range a little to be comperable to how far rockets/HAMs can go for their sizeclass. Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf - Marauders: I just don't see what these ships are supposed to accomplish Overpriced hype for what they do (nothing superior to a Tier 3 BS, overall). Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf - Black-Ops: I expected a BS Cov-Ops not a recon delivery boy Can't use cov ops cloak. No different than a cloaking/logging macro ratter that we deal with now. Recon jumpbridge 'okay', but going to be more annoying to defending turf than ever... they'll make alliance life in 0.0 a living nightmare. More people fleeing to empire where they can't be used.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.10 13:18:00 - [63] Yes Keres. Scripts haven't made damp unusable and I do like the occasional frigate gang. They're also awesome for newbies who trained for cov-ops but need something to actually fight in. Seeing as I managed to get a lot of use out of the humble maulus I'm looking forward to it. Also, as important as I am, wouldn't it be more constructive to post a lits of your own opinions rather than trying to deconstruct mine?
Ather Ialeas Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.10 14:43:00 - [64] Originally by: Jack Thurner Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: Jack Thurner Edited by: Jack Thurner on 09/11/2007 10:15:40 Don't forget about scripts.. ehm.. brings out his C#/Java/SQL/JavaScript/RUP and other sys. dev. books Bring it! [Edit] Forgot about the MSDN library... RUP is awful tbh Pfft, you just need a printer with huge capacity :P You just made me, my project group and three other project groups who have all been forced to use RUP just burst out in laughter. YOU WIN, SIR!! -
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.11.10 15:09:00 - [65] IM looking foward to the Black ops battleship and the nice Electronic Warfare one too. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.11 05:12:00 - [66] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Scoop nerf had to happen but I'd really like to see drones slowly regen shield, armor, and structure in the bay. I can rep my ship in space, I can rep my modules, but not my drones. I'm not sure it had to happen. Not sure it didn't. But you can repair your drones in space with a remote repping module. Just thought I'd point that out in case you didn't think about it. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.11 06:47:00 - [67] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 11/11/2007 06:53:46 I know, but fitting armor and structure reps will take up two high slots which is quite a sacrifice. In addition to this locking drones can take quite some time and having several locked will reduce the targeting slots available, not to mention the annoyance of having to pull one in to save it then launch and rep. Then there's the range issue. The locking issue isn't so bad outside of combat but it would be quite impractical during an engagement since the drone is liable to die very swiftly if it's out and taking damage, pulling it in merely delays the inevitable and has almost the same effect as having lost the drone even during a prolonged engagement. While the instant regen on drones was a little much, making them nigh indestructible at blaster ranges, the slow rate of regen means that the Dominix will pretty much be forced to use all of it's newly expanded bay to hold heavy or sentry drones to ensure it does not lose them all in combat. Other drone boats will fare far worse. If the drones took a short amount of time to regenerate however they would remain worthwhile targets to lower the ships DPS for a time without the attack crippling it completely. This change will remove much of the versatility from drone boats as it would no longer make sense to carry multiple types of drone. Fitting a smart bomb, or intelligent use of ones own drones can pretty much disable any drone based damage arrayed against you. This hits just about anything balanced for the use of heavy drones pretty hard. Still I live in hope that the issue will be noticed before it makes many of these ships redundant. I guess there's always ECM drones until they get nerfed, which they deserve to I hasten to add. The ideal situation for me would be for drones to be indestructible, you can damage them down to structure but at that point they deactivate and return to the parent ship. This way the ship cannot be turned into a floating paperweight after it's first engagement. I am a big fan of both Dominix and Megathron, so I may be a little biased here, but I do believe many ships were balanced with their full drone compliment in mind.
Kurann Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.11 07:37:00 - [68] Edited by: Kurann on 11/11/2007 07:38:48 Originally by: Alex Harumichi - The damp/TD/sensor booster nerf might be a bit overdone. Gallente and Amarr recons might be hit (too) hard by this. cause amarr needed a nerf...not to whine, but come on, how many amarr recons and arbi's actually fit TD's in the first place... Originally by: Alex Harumichi - The Eos triple-nerf leaves it a close-to-worthless ship in any role. see the definition of a fleet command ship and they still boost ew mods significantly, which is what they should be doing, flying in EW gangs, buffing the EW friends Originally by: Alex Harumichi - The new torps run the danger of being too good, blaster and pulse laser ships may become close to obsolete. somewhat agreed, you'll see a lot more ravens in pvp with 3x painters, however blaster ships will still be the ultimate in close range bs pvp... and pulses can pvp? Originally by: Alex Harumichi However, overall it's looking pretty good. Lots of balance fixes, new ships, etc etc agreed, new content and fixes for broken content, except amarr...still... but they say they are working on it, so i can wait and cross train for now. Edit: Typo spelsing are me freind


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