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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:39:00 -
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The description is, "Allows target lock without alerting the ship to the threat."
As things currently seem to function after a short period the ship being targeted notices the target lock thereby "alerting the ship to the threat."
Therefore I submit that either passive targeting systems are broken or their description needs to be updated to reflect the fact that the target ship will eventually be alerted to the threat.
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Karrade Krise
SADISTIC INTENT
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:57:00 -
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It takes 10 seconds for the passive targeter to lock. I think that if it takes you 11 seconds to lock, the target wont know you're targeting them until that very last second of you lock.
So if you have a 9 second lock time he will never know you locked him until you fire on him.
I do custom signatures, let me know what you want!
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Michus Danether
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:02:00 -
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I think it doesn't matter. If you're in a situation where you CAN get targeted and shot by somebody, you WILL be targeted and shot by somebody. Lowsec belt? Empire War? 0.0?!
I posit that anyone who waits to see if they become targeted before they warp out of a bad situation is going to be engaged regardless.
What's the point of the module again?
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Grunanca
Fusion Mercenaries
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grunanca on 09/11/2007 09:06:16
 Originally by: Michus Danether
I think it doesn't matter. If you're in a situation where you CAN get targeted and shot by somebody, you WILL be targeted and shot by somebody. Lowsec belt? Empire War? 0.0?!
I posit that anyone who waits to see if they become targeted before they warp out of a bad situation is going to be engaged regardless.
What's the point of the module again?
I use it all the time to see who to suicide gank. Opponent wont autotarget back, which means semi afk ppl wont be alerted.
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Riho
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:19:00 -
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trick is to actiavte module and then click the ship in space OR in overview... then it works
if u click the target icon or right click menu it doesnt work
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Michus Danether
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:19:00 -
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Oh that's right, suicide gankers. The other-other yellow meat.
I'm sorry, I was trying to think up "legitimate" uses for the module in my previous post. I will, in future, remember to leave an exception open for suicide ganking.
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Bakatu Kat
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:24:00 -
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Now imagine sniper bs's in fleet combat, with lots of sensor boosters and some passive targeters. primary doesnt know that he has been targeted and gets full salvo before he warps out ... if he survives that.
If you dont use it primary knows that snipers are locking on him so he warps, then goes back to fight, warps again if targeted and so on and on.
Still its one slot you can use for something else so make a choice.
(didnt test it myself but it supposed to work that way from the description)
"[Being Minmatar is] like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi" -- Axitikus
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Riho
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Michus Danether
Oh that's right, suicide gankers. The other-other yellow meat.
I'm sorry, I was trying to think up "legitimate" uses for the module in my previous post. I will, in future, remember to leave an exception open for suicide ganking.
it IS a legit use for the mod... its not against the rules to suicide gank ur target if u want to
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Michus Danether
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Michus Danether on 09/11/2007 09:57:24
Originally by: Riho
it IS a legit use for the mod... its not against the rules to suicide gank ur target if u want to
Le Sigh.
I in no way meant to imply that suicide ganking is "against the rules".
Please, continue to suicide gank "ur" target if "u" want to. I urge you to continue, it seems the perfect occupation for you.
Truly, a man and a vocation never did truly meet until you found suicide ganking.
I agree with you in part, when you state that it is a legit use for the mod I concur up to the point where you use the word "Legit".
I think that most of the EVE community at this point in time find the practice of suicide ganking a hauler in empire to be the most distasteful and frowned-upon occupations in EVE, right after "the stuff that lofty does".
While I must admit, using a passive targeting system on a "prospective" suicide gank target before actually ganking them is at least partially enlightened... the fact that suicide ganking must inevitably occur after the targeting process makes your entire point intellectually bankrupt.
(Also I can use complicated words to dissect your sentence/position piece by piece, and choose to do so out of a distaste for your profession. Whether or not your profession IS in fact a bad thing or not, is entirely separate from my ability to discredit your stance. Hoorah!)
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As to the topic at hand, I have already stated my opinion that passive targeters are mostly useless, and will therefor not repeat myself. (whoops, just did.)
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As to Bakatu's point about sniper BS being able to pop primaries/wounded ships before they realize they are in any danger. I must unfortunately agree with him that the slot is better used by anything else really, and additionally that is a very specific circumstance, and unlikely to be successful anyway as it takes considerable time, even for volleys of BS, to kill a target.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:08:00 -
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I can't say I do find suicide ganking "distasteful", I simply don't want to do it. If anything I can agree it's slightly to easy, but that's it really.
The entire issue would be solved by forcing players out of NPC-corps, as you could then identify the skilled pilots who enjoy suicide ganking, and simply wardec. Still viable, but you won't really be without risk any more.
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Xavok
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Posted - 2007.11.09 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
I can't say I do find suicide ganking "distasteful", I simply don't want to do it. If anything I can agree it's slightly to easy, but that's it really.
The entire issue would be solved by forcing players out of NPC-corps, as you could then identify the skilled pilots who enjoy suicide ganking, and simply wardec. Still viable, but you won't really be without risk any more.
When concord kills you, you lose all rights to wreckage, and it becomes available to anyone.
That would go along way in solving the problem (and I do think it's a problem). It shouldn't be stupid dumb to travel to Jita.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Capitalism Amuck
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Posted - 2007.11.09 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
The description is, "Allows target lock without alerting the ship to the threat."
As things currently seem to function after a short period the ship being targeted notices the target lock thereby "alerting the ship to the threat."
Therefore I submit that either passive targeting systems are broken or their description needs to be updated to reflect the fact that the target ship will eventually be alerted to the threat.
Can anyone confirm that they ARE ALERTED to a target lock on their ship while being targeting with a passive targeter?
That was the entire point of this thread after all.
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