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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.03.02 17:38:00 -
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why have drones deployed in fleet battles where your enemy can be over 70km away?
So because I have heavy drones and close range setup and you warp in at 70km with your long range combat I should roll over and die?
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Nathan Zachary
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Posted - 2004.03.02 17:40:00 -
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before introducing any nerfs... make 3rd drone control skill. so galantes can use their uber drone spaces effecktivly... and remove drone rd models and light effeckt.. make em bitmaps....
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.03.02 17:47:00 -
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why have drones deployed in fleet battles where your enemy can be over 70km away?
So because I have heavy drones and close range setup and you warp in at 70km with your long range combat I should roll over and die?
Yes anyone who uses drones should die! im drone Racist, i hate drones and anyone who uses them! thye must all die! DIE DIE DIE!
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Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2004.03.02 17:48:00 -
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Anyone who gets there ass handed to them by heavies, is either in a frigate or a noob, so sit down and STFU,
Hanns, not everyone is this game is a power PvPer as you are - so accept different playstyles or STFU and sit down !
got my point ?
If YOU want them removed YOU are not talking for the majority of players !
and NO the one screaming the loudest still is no majority ...
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Rapturea
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Posted - 2004.03.03 00:53:00 -
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If you even think for a SECOND ccp is oging to remove combat drones, you need to put down the ***** pipe, and quick.
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy |
Dura'Lorth
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Posted - 2004.03.03 02:04:00 -
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I think the drones need to be changed rather than being removed.
The current problem is that the drones, even the heavy ones, have no tracking or other accuracy modifiers.
There should be several types of drones effective against several types of ships.
Small, agile Drones that are effective against frigates and other fast-moving objects - they should be rather small in size, be fast and fast tracking (so they hit almost everything) but do little damage (to give frigates a chance vs drone-packed BS).
Heavier Drones to pick on big, slow objects such as heavy cruisers or BS. These should still be fast but have problems to hit things that are moving as fast as a frigate. To compensate for that those drones should do considerabe more damage but still have a limited range. (They should orbit BS's so they have problems hitting with LR-Weapons)
Artillery Drones that are big in size and do a similar damage as the heavy drones but have a better range (i'm thinking of something like 20-30km)
Anti-Drone Drones - Very fast, good tracking and do good damage vs drones but almost none when fighting ships. These drones should be very small to be used by frigates do they can defend themselves against those uber-drone-carrier cruisers and BS.
Additionally, to decrease lag, they could up the drone's volume and make them better instead (that would cause people to use less drones but still allow them to be as effective as before).
I'd like to see repair drones, too.
I like that idea, whats the point of elite frigs if drones can own a 6mil ship and cost 1mil tops for 10 heavies seems unfair to frigs and the frigs dont have an anti drone but there is a lot of anti frig. |
Managalar
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Posted - 2004.03.03 02:54:00 -
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maybe there should be some crazy enviromental damage areas, where fleet battles can take place...then all the tiny ships would just die quick (drones, frigs, missiles)
Or, better yet, fight fleet battles without drones on general principle.
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.03.03 03:50:00 -
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Nope . . . I rely on drones as a major part of my arsenel. I use them as a weapon and not a lag-sploit. With blasters at point blank range, 8-9 heavies makes the difference between being able to or not kill a tanked BS.
A high drone skill level is a large time investment and completely worth it.
Remove the drone's visual effect, sure. Make it so it so they suffer the same falloff/tracking as small turrets, sure.
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Karsten
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Posted - 2004.03.03 04:33:00 -
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I dont use:
- item a
- item b
- item c
- item d
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- item z
cos they s.. or i dont like them or know how to use them properly. So remove them.
One thing about eve is that it offers a great degree of freedom to fit the ships to personal preferences.
No one forces a player to use a certain piece of equipment.
Karsten
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.03.03 04:39:00 -
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Gallente rely heavily on drones. It's part of every ship they have, its a huge part of their past, and personaly I have a little under 1 million skill points in drones.
I rely on drones to protect me while I mine and I rely of them to kill frigates and cruisers that I can't even begin to waiste my time on.
Removind drones would create a huge hole in the way gallente ships and skills are set up and used.
I anxiously wait for the heavier drones to make my Dominix worth using in combat.
Damnit, that makes me a n00b too.
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CoolSprog
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Posted - 2004.03.03 07:34:00 -
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If u had a group of frigs orbiting your battleship at 5k outrunning cruise taking lumps out of you, youll really miss those drones. I personally fly frigs alot, u can out track big guns with that MWD and easily out run missiles, its only right that drones can paste them for it 
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.03.03 08:33:00 -
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If you remove Combat Drones you have to give some Ships other Boni and other stats.
Look at the Gallente Ships as an example.
You can hold 10 Combat Drones with a Megathron and
with a Dominix you will get 5% to Drone Space Capacity with each BS lvl and also look at the Typhoon which is haveing great Dronespace too.
And for the other Races the DroneBay is useless.
Nobody is mining in a Raven, you can hold 6 Drones but it¦s useless.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.03 08:45:00 -
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If you remove Combat Drones you have to give some Ships other Boni and other stats.
Look at the Gallente Ships as an example.
You can hold 10 Combat Drones with a Megathron and
with a Dominix you will get 5% to Drone Space Capacity with each BS lvl and also look at the Typhoon which is haveing great Dronespace too.
And for the other Races the DroneBay is useless.
Nobody is mining in a Raven, you can hold 6 Drones but it¦s useless.
How is a Raven with 6 heavy drones much less useful than a Dominx with 8?
Drone interfacing is a Rank 5 skill, good luck maxing that skill out, hope you have a month or more free time, closer to 2 months I think.
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K'roth Manatir
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Posted - 2004.03.03 09:41:00 -
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I'm a frig pilot and I hate drones but I dont think they should be taken out completely just fixed.
If the drones were correctly affected by range and tracking it would be a good start. If they also made it so that only the gal ships could carry decent amounts of drones rather than every BS carrying at least 6 that would sort out alot of the problems.
Personally I think scout drones should be anti frig. (fast and good tracking) Heavy drones are anti cruiser. (Slow and poor tracking)
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.03.03 09:51:00 -
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How can people say they are Anti-Frigate weapons when the only time they got "Balanced" was during Battleship vs Battleship balancing months back! This arguement doesn't hold water if the only time they were balanced was against other battleships, at which time they got their damage output doubled.
They are either one thing, or the other, and please for the love of god make your mind up fast. Frigates are trying to get back into the game and every heavy drone is more efficient a combat vessel then a frigate!
Heavy drones are either anti-frigate, or they are a platform to attack cruisers and battleships.
Just make heavy drones ONLY able to attack bigger signature radius targets. That way you keep both, heavy drones for cruiser to battleship combat, and are forced to rely on and carry Light drones for use against Frigates if you want frigate self defense.
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NajZero
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Posted - 2004.03.03 10:53:00 -
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I have these Drone Skills at Maximum, so I can use 10 Drones.
Maybe you can remove the DroneSkills from Caldari, Minmatar and Amarr ships, so the Gallente has Drone using Race Special only hrhr but i hear the rumours 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.03.03 11:35:00 -
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Let me tell you a little story.
once there where 2 megathrons happily mining away, in a 0.4 system enjoying the nice pirate spawns with their 8 ogres each, in flies a nice little frigate and a interceptor, 1 of the battleship pilotes does a quick show info and asseses the situation, a sense of wrongness filled the air. All the while the happy hauler 2nd acount was happily transporting nice amounts of ore too a nice refining station. Being almost certain that their was gonna be a strike the smart little megathron pilote parked his BS right on the spot where he suspected the frigates too appear when they would do their strike, unfortunately this megathron pilote is a utter n00b at pvp and did not realise just how impossible it is too stop a frigate. his feeling was correct though and the next time his hauler acount warped into the belt a kestrel and slasher followed, 4 cruise missiles l8r the indy is dead, it;s equipment stollen and the frigates gone, al this happened in a timeframe that didn't even allow me a lock on either the kestrel or the slasher. 2 megathrons and 16 drones where powerless against 2 frigates. lost 45mil there, too a 100k ship using another 100k to blow my indy.
All this bull about drones being overpowered and frigates bordering extinction, you know what get your head out of your rear end and start playing the game, and maybe someday you will realize that it's not that the game that is flawed but your ability too correctly use the ships and the roles they excel at. frigates don't have a place in a fleet battle... so what, fleet battles are hardly the only way to do pvp and sure as hell not the only bit of content in this game.
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A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Aldanor
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Posted - 2004.03.03 12:08:00 -
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Anyone who is a Babylon 5 or Star Wars fan probably enjoys drones. Not everyone likes the Star Trek style of space combat.
my $0.02
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Andros Eh'kaar
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Posted - 2004.03.03 13:49:00 -
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i have a great idea about missles too
remove them, they cause lag, theyre too powerful in EW combat, theyre bad for us amarr...........nobody would suffer if missles were removed..........
hrhr yeah rite, maybe too sarcastic.........
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ruffles on 03/03/2004 16:03:31
Gariuys, please do not start making calls like that in a completely different scenario.
If you would like, I will let you sit in a merlin (arguably the best protected frigate in game) and let my 8 ogres eat you alive in less then 10 seconds. 4-6 seconds your shields are gone (even with the shields bonus), and if you are likey enough to survive 4-6 seconds more, I am impressed.
You were up against some experienced frigate pilots. They shot at the Indy, NOT You! Your drones would have instantly targetted back at them and killed them if they attacked you. They did not even try to attack you, they knew what your weaknesses were. Your fault in that situation was the lack of some PvP gear whilst mining. Lessons to be learnt.
Yes frigates are better now, but if you would like to read that thread in my signature you will find it started a while back, before frigates even had MWD's, and battleships could out run them.
Because of many of our comments on this situation I am sure that the speed of locking changes quite possibly came about as an idea for a solution.
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All this bull about drones being overpowered and frigates bordering extinction, you know what get your head out of your rear end and start playing the game, and maybe someday you will realize that it's not that the game that is flawed but your ability too correctly use the ships and the roles they excel at. frigates don't have a place in a fleet battle... so what, fleet battles are hardly the only way to do pvp and sure as hell not the only bit of content in this game.
So whats with the personal attack? You know me? You know how I play? We fought before? Dont make assumptions about people, and don't attack them personally. I think there is a film called "Anger Management" you should watch
I said give them roles. I was here when the drone balancing occured along side the missiles and battleships vs battleships balancing. Drone damage was doubled then, it wasn't listed anywhere, but a lot of us noticed this. Frigates from that point onwards fell a lot faster then they ever did.
What many of us are after is moving using the right drones/missiles for the right target. Lights for frigates, heavies for cruisers and battleships.
Heavy drones are way to strong against frigates. Back when they did half the damage per 2 seconds it was more acceptable, but now you just die fast.
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unfortunately this megathron pilote is a utter n00b at pvp and did not realise just how impossible it is too stop a frigate
Its not impossible, its extremely easy if you are defending yourself. In this situation you are discussing you were trying to defend another ship, a much weaker ship, without any PvP configuration on your ship relying only on your drones and lock time. If you didn't have a sensor booster, you already hit fault one. If you didn't have a warp core stabilizer or more on the indy, it was already the biggest target.
The fact is if you HAD got a lock on those frigates, their survivability would have been negligable as your drones would have attacked all hostiles in the enemy gang. Without you using anything other then heavy drones?
Try those frigates against your battleship without any other target, with only you and the drones, you won't even need guns. I think you will also be surprised just how quickly they die. Especially with the current drone bug factored into the equation.
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frigates don't have a place in a fleet battle... so what, fleet battles are hardly the only way to do pvp and sure as hell not the only bit of content in this game
Oh dear god.
Next time you see the TV with a picture of a US carrier group, count the number of ships that surround 1 carrier. Tell this comment to the US, French, German, Russian, British, Australian, Canadian, hell add every country in the world with a navy here. Tell them frigates have no place in fleet combat.
This is a game, and one of its faults IS Battleship ONLY fleets.
PS Your best protection there for your indy, for future reference, would have been cruiser and sensor booster and frigates, or battleship with multiple sensor boosters. Indies are extremely likely to fall in almost all cases, as consolidated fire from multiple ships rips them apart.
Bigger isn't best. Its just bigger, slower, fatter, easier to hit. The point was, they were smart enough not to attack you. Learn from the mistake of 2 battleships.
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Smigley
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:54:00 -
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Bottom line - if you are in a frigate and come across drones - RUN YOU FOOLS!! 
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.03.03 16:04:00 -
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Quite hard to run with the current bug on their firing range.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.03 17:13:00 -
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Drone tracking needs to be fixed so they have the same as small turrets. Other than that though they are fine. Most frigate pilots fight in frigs because they are cheap throw away ships. If you know it's a throw away why complain when you lose a lot of them?
PS Didn't CCP say that drones were mena't to be mini frigs? If so then eight mini frigs shoud gank one regular frig pretty fast right?
PPS I would support making drones less damaging to frigates if cruises were taken out of the frigate equation. But that "balancing" would be bad right?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.03.03 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 03/03/2004 17:31:15
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How is a Raven with 6 heavy drones much less useful than a Dominx with 8?
The Dominix has replacement drones for those shot down.
I can fit 23 heavy drones into my Dominix's drone bay. Which incidentally is full.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.03.03 17:43:00 -
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When I first heard about EVE and I heard that they had drones, I thought they were high on ***** or something. I mean you'd think an online game would do everything in it's power to elimante lag, and hey every little bit helps so why drones. Basically all I use drones for is so that the npcs have more than just one target for a while. I pretty much only npc fight though so I don't have any insight on drones in pvp situations.
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2004.03.03 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ruffles on 03/03/2004 17:49:35
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Drone tracking needs to be fixed so they have the same as small turrets. Other than that though they are fine. Most frigate pilots fight in frigs because they are cheap throw away ships. If you know it's a throw away why complain when you lose a lot of them?
No problem with commiting a ship to destruction, but the doubling of drone damage was done during battleship vs battleship combat balancing, yet people continually call drones anti-frigate.
Its either one, or the other don't you think? (Current bug on range aside) Presently, its everything with a 100% hit rate.
I don't think they took frigates into account when they were balanced in those battleship fights, and the drone damage doubled.
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2004.03.03 21:16:00 -
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Well since we gonna get rid of drones cause they are useless lets get rid of missiles and torps as well. They about as equally useless as drones are anyways :P
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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BlackMail
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Posted - 2004.03.03 21:30:00 -
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I like playing this game with others but there are times where i just want to play by myself and perhaps chat with everyone in local or in corp. I'm a miner....and if you eliminate drones then i will no longer have the ability to play in the manner i like. I don't use them for combat, yet, and i would never use them for lag (that's a cheap way to gank someone) but why should i not have the ability to mine on my own?
I don't believe that anyone could argue against the fact that it's pretty hard to play as a freelnacer in this game. Eliminating drones would just make it that much harder to go out and make a buck without bein in a corp.
And yes i understand that this is a multiplayer game and that you need to interact....but should i always have to share what i've mined?
Also, i frickin hate those bastards in battleships that mine 1.0 and .9 space but if you take away drones there will be an even bigger problem with battleships in 1.0 space.....and i might have to consider doin it as well since i won't be able to defend myself or my corp mates while mining in low sec or 0.0 space.
I am also wondering HANNS what you would suggest should happen to all the skill points i've got in drones......i've got drone interfacing 4 and heavy drones 4 scout drones 4 mining drones 4.....am i able to choose where those points go if drones were eliminated or would close to a million skill points just disappear???
If they just disappeared i guarantee i would quit the game.....and before anyone says "sissy" or "carebear" or "whiner" i would ask you....wouldn't you quit the game if you suddenly lost a million skill points with no compensation????
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Darker
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Posted - 2004.03.03 22:22:00 -
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A drone damage modifier affected by the ship radius would do the trick regarding frigates.This modifier would increase as lighter drones are used being the heavy the ones with lesser damage dealing against frigates but retainning the current damage against cruisers/battleships.
Some graphical options to increase/decrease the drones details would probably help with the lag involving several deployments of drones.
*If* drones/heavy drones would be removed - then ship classes like the thorax would have 1 extra high slot and the option to mount 2 launchers...
And no, i don't consider smartbombs a viable option unless their requirements are reduced and damage/area of effect increased.
As for ppl using drones for lag... that's lame.
I currently fly a thorax with 8 heavies and i only use them if things get close and crowded.
But indeed these issues should be reviwed by CCP.
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Lysender
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:15:00 -
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If people would stop camping gates their problems would be solved. I need combat drones when I kill npc rats. If drones cause lag, then thats your problem not mine. Try investing in a faster computer with more ram.
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