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Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:33:00 - [1] The time I have already invested in Jump Drive Operation 5, Jump Drive Calibration 4, Jump Drive Conservation, Advanced Drone Interfacing 4, Fighters 4, Minmitar Carrier 4, etc. etc. If I had invested the same time in cruiser 5 for the other 3 races then I could fly just about every HAC in EVE with almost 100% efficiency. And now you want to mess all this training up with 5 fighter/drones MAX ? Just because I'm not in a MoM ? Wati, maybe because I might be in a MoM in low sec ?? Seriously, really, WTF ?????? --
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:34:00 - [2] Me First in a Carrier Thread...WooHoo ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:35:00 - [3] God-damnit, there are already enough of these stupid whine spam threads. Frankly I agree with the changes, it makes the carrier more of a support boat than previously (and frankly I'd delegate fighters away anyways, just to make it easier on me). Only request I make is that the Thanatos's fighter damage bonus applies to assigned fighters, too.
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:35:00 - [4] Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 09/11/2007 23:35:58 Hello, yet another carrier whine thread. I believe there is a rather large thread with much better arguements than the one the OP has carefully typed out. Why don't you go over there? Its in the game development forum. Imagine that. --
Aleksi Maksimovich	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:36:00 - [5] Honestly if I agree with you or not STFU ABOUT THE CARRIER NERF on behalf of the forum population who really dont want another thread on it
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:38:00 - [6] WAAAAANNHH!!! sobs
Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:56:00 - [7] Not too bothered about the carrier nerf really. Just give me the SP in 3 cruiser races (= +3 x HAC, +3 x Command Ship, +3 x Recon, +3 x Logistics) and we are talking. Drop the rest of the trained skills and give me the other options, no problem. As of tomorrow I can't fly a Naglfar or use all those fighters, but at least I do have cruiser 5 in all races .... --
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:09:00 - [8] Jeebus people, get over it already. They've already said, many times, that the carrier changes are months away and they haven't even decided what they are going to do yet. Everything so far is PROPOSED, but nothing has been decided, and won't be for a long time. ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime The time I have already invested in Jump Drive Operation 5, Jump Drive Calibration 4, Jump Drive Conservation, Advanced Drone Interfacing 4, Fighters 4, Minmitar Carrier 4, etc. etc. Just imagine the whine if those skills had been lvl 5... Ambulation: Let us become true headhunters.
Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Jaabaa Prime The time I have already invested in Jump Drive Operation 5, Jump Drive Calibration 4, Jump Drive Conservation, Advanced Drone Interfacing 4, Fighters 4, Minmitar Carrier 4, etc. etc. Just imagine the whine if those skills had been lvl 5... Well, errm, yes. And I only fly a carrier, not a mothership. Go figure ... --

Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:39:00 - [11] STFU or quit. Wow, that's so simple.
Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Igualmentedos STFU or quit. Wow, that's so simple. And you have invested how much of your character's skills in capital training ? Let me guess ? 0 ... And yet you still comment. --
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Igualmentedos STFU or quit. Wow, that's so simple. And you have invested how much of your character's skills in capital training ? Let me guess ? 0 ... And yet you still comment. That doesn't matter whether or not I have invested time into caps. You still are complaining.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Lazuran on 10/11/2007 00:49:03 Originally by: Acoco Osiris God-damnit, there are already enough of these stupid whine spam threads. There are also already enough of these stupid whine spam thread idiot fanboi replies. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Igualmentedos Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Igualmentedos STFU or quit. Wow, that's so simple. And you have invested how much of your character's skills in capital training ? Let me guess ? 0 ... And yet you still comment. That doesn't matter whether or not I have invested time into caps. You still are complaining. Oh wait, no right to complain ? Huh ? World Wide Police State next ? Sorry, but if CCP retro-fit such a dramatic change to game play, then I want an equally dramatic retro-fit to my training schedule and the SP gained. Simple. --
JamesTalon Caldari Electric Fury Corp	Posted - 2007.11.10 00:55:00 - [16] I've got a carrier, got the skills trained to mostly lvl 4, and will likely keep training support skills. Even given that, I don't care for this "nerf". I know that if they do change it, I'll just have a nice large ship that I can show off to my fellow corp members and give some good assistance to them in low-sec battles. Don't complain, if you do, keep it to a single thread. "Return with your shield, or on it."
Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Siege Jeebus people, get over it already. They've already said, many times, that the carrier changes are months away and they haven't even decided what they are going to do yet. Everything so far is PROPOSED, but nothing has been decided, and won't be for a long time. So months away from now makes the currently invested 6 months worth less ? Do CCP get interest on SP ? So 6 months in 3 other "un-nerfed" cruiser skills (PLUS the above additional ship classes) = 1 "nerfed" ship type. Do you really think we pay CCP monthly just to train skills for the hell of it ? To see what will happen in the next quarter ? Flying this class of ship is a serious investment, in training time (account dollars) and ISK (getting the skills and the ship itself). --
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:07:00 - [18] FFS, get over yourself. No one cares that you trained a lot of skills. Maybe you should have tried to be more versatile before investing so much into one ship. If you think that your crying/canceling accounts/whinning/what ever the else you can think of is going to make CCP change their minds then you better wake up.
Jaabaa Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:34:00 - [19] Originally by: NightF0x FFS, get over yourself. No one cares that you trained a lot of skills. Maybe you should have tried to be more versatile before investing so much into one ship. If you think that your crying/canceling accounts/whinning/what ever the else you can think of is going to make CCP change their minds then you better wake up. And you think anyone could care more about your drivel ? What have you ever invested in CCP's EVE ? A kill mail system ? A skill program ? Or maybe a few driveling posts on the forums ? I have tried to help my fellow players in EVE, with a lot more work and time invested in and out of game than some members (abusers) of this community. I've played long enough and invested enough to complain about something like this, so, NightF0x, who the hell are you ? Originally by: NightF0x Maybe you should have tried to be more versatile before investing so much into one ship. Almost 60 mil SP in combat skills, enough diversity ? Originally by: NightF0x If you think that your crying/canceling accounts/whinning/what ever the else you can think of is going to make CCP change their minds then you better wake up. Ever seen 10,000 pilots unite one front ? Because that is how many people have invested time in the ship class, its required skills and its advantages (and draw backs). And to your "did CCP change their minds" ? Yes. .. Rollback, NPC cruisers too hard. .. CONCORD in Yulai (?), pirates lost big time in game because of the outrage. .. Cargo cans are jettisoned so scrap, now you get 15 minutes kill rights. .. Can jump out of system after agressing, now you need a 30 second eternity before you can jump .. Warp to 0, no longer 15km And many more. If you don't say damn all, then CCP will think it is cool. Maybe a load of new players are counting on the older "carrier" capable players leaving so that they can become the new "top dogs". But you are missing one thing. The issue about EW-Resistant Motherships in low sec is just that, its restricted to MoMs. A normal carrier doesn't have these advantages in low sec, a normal carrier can be warp scrambled by a n00b ship Reaper with 1 point. Sure, nerf MoMs, but don't nerf all the carrier pilots. -- EVE Mobile Skill Planner V2 http://evemsp.sourceforge.net/
Nick119 Minmatar The Rubber Duckies	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:49:00 - [20] Before anyone asks Can i please have your stuff ohh ya the carrier nurfs are old news get with it ___________________________________________________ DIE WHINERS DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Jaabaa Originally by: NightF0x FFS, get over yourself. No one cares that you trained a lot of skills. Maybe you should have tried to be more versatile before investing so much into one ship. If you think that your crying/canceling accounts/whinning/what ever the else you can think of is going to make CCP change their minds then you better wake up. And you think anyone could care more about your drivel ? What have you ever invested in CCP's EVE ? A kill mail system ? A skill program ? Or maybe a few driveling posts on the forums ? I have tried to help my fellow players in EVE, with a lot more work and time invested in and out of game than some members (abusers) of this community. I've played long enough and invested enough to complain about something like this, so, NightF0x, who the hell are you ? Originally by: NightF0x Maybe you should have tried to be more versatile before investing so much into one ship. Almost 60 mil SP in combat skills, enough diversity ? Originally by: NightF0x If you think that your crying/canceling accounts/whinning/what ever the else you can think of is going to make CCP change their minds then you better wake up. Ever seen 10,000 pilots unite one front ? Because that is how many people have invested time in the ship class, its required skills and its advantages (and draw backs). And to your "did CCP change their minds" ? Yes. .. Rollback, NPC cruisers too hard. .. CONCORD in Yulai (?), pirates lost big time in game because of the outrage. .. Cargo cans are jettisoned so scrap, now you get 15 minutes kill rights. .. Can jump out of system after agressing, now you need a 30 second eternity before you can jump .. Warp to 0, no longer 15km And many more. If you don't say damn all, then CCP will think it is cool. Maybe a load of new players are counting on the older "carrier" capable players leaving so that they can become the new "top dogs". But you are missing one thing. The issue about EW-Resistant Motherships in low sec is just that, its restricted to MoMs. A normal carrier doesn't have these advantages in low sec, a normal carrier can be warp scrambled by a n00b ship Reaper with 1 point. Sure, nerf MoMs, but don't nerf all the carrier pilots. want a cookie for your trouble?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:55:00 - [22] I don't think 60mil SP in "Combat Skills" sounds diverse. Because "combat" is clearly not diverse. Anyway, you sound like an Only child. Not used to having someone not listen to you, and only you, are you? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:00:00 - [23] Ok, everybody take a deep breath! Now that we've calmed down a bit, OP, where are you reading your information? If you are at all referencing Zulupark's Dev Blog about proposed carrier changes, then no none of those are happening. At least not at the current. You can still fly your normal Fighters, etc. Now, for carrier changes that ARE occuring. Increased Ship bay Size, but the ships you carry around with you can't have anything in their cargoholds except for ammo/boosters. Ship sizes are being reduced, to allow carriers to carry more ships in their bays. Triage module is currently being reviewed by several Dev's to try to figure out the best way to fix it, because everybody thinks they're broken. Now that I've got that out of the way, if you are referencing any of the other 500 whine threads on this same subject, but they are locked or don't have Dev posts in them, then they are incorrect. If I've somehow missed another Dev blog, and you would like to link me to it, it would be greatly appreciated. ____________________ Changes on Sisi are NOT the end of the world. Wait until Rev III/Trinity is released before drawing conclusions.
Marcus Tedric Gallente Tedric Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:48:00 - [24] I'll post in this one..... Ladies and Gentlemen it's simple really - everyone and his friend are using Carriers in 0.0 and there are loads of them. Why, because they are flexible, can support each other and can do massive damage to almost everything - let alone can be used for 'real logistics' - so, tremendously useful. They are the 'wtfbbqpwn' machines when used like that. Major fleets using large numbers of carriers abound. That's why a change has to be made - becuase people like massive DPS ships they are now complaining in droves...and it's because they've been 'found out'. If Carriers (and perhaps Moms) were more used like in RL then it would be less of an issue - each carrier effectively needing 3-4 other ships - Moms perhaps 20... For my part I would just like to see a reasonable balance made - because I fly one for a small group - I'd like to be able to survive a reasonable time if caught on my own (lots of smaller drones help against the smaller targets). I think I should be able to survive against a small (4-6) gang on my own - but I shouldn't become massively invincible (read able to take down anything with reasonable losses) when used in conjunction with 20-50 other carriers. There needs to be a balance - and the same goes for every other ship class out there. M2CW
Moe Sczyzlak Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:04:00 - [25] Im with jaabaa on this. If people don't voice their opinions how will CCP know when they mess up? (To clarify, I have no opinion in the carrier issue but I support jaabaa's right to complain)
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:08:00 - [26] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/11/2007 11:08:18 Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Igualmentedos STFU or quit. Wow, that's so simple. And you have invested how much of your character's skills in capital training ? Let me guess ? 0 ... And yet you still comment. You and the people that have trained carrier-related skills are the only ones in the history of Eve that has been affected in a negative way of a game-change?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:12:00 - [27] Sighs. If only the community would accept my idea and ask CCP to give us skill points transfer between skills at a 30 to 50 percent penalty then there would not be whine threads when balancing comes. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:42:00 - [28] I support the... carrier nerf ideas. and my alt flies a carrier.
Groox Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Do you really think we pay CCP monthly just to train skills for the hell of it ? To see what will happen in the next quarter ? Flying this class of ship is a serious investment, in training time (account dollars) and ISK (getting the skills and the ship itself). Well I belive you know exactly how to combat this. Stop paying those $$$. If enough users will do so then you where right. If not then obviously it's your personal problem. But most important it will be win win situation, because you saved your $$$ and we don't have to read those whine posts.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Siege Jeebus people, get over it already. They've already said, many times, that the carrier changes are months away and they haven't even decided what they are going to do yet. Everything so far is PROPOSED, but nothing has been decided, and won't be for a long time. So months away from now makes the currently invested 6 months worth less ? Do CCP get interest on SP ? So 6 months in 3 other "un-nerfed" cruiser skills (PLUS the above additional ship classes) = 1 "nerfed" ship type. Do you really think we pay CCP monthly just to train skills for the hell of it ? To see what will happen in the next quarter ? Flying this class of ship is a serious investment, in training time (account dollars) and ISK (getting the skills and the ship itself). MY god people need to LEARN TO READ!!!! They will NOT apply the 5 fighters NERF. Not NOW NWO IN 3 MONTHS!! THey wil make OTHER CHANGES in 3 MONTHS!! LEARN TO READ!!!!! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:59:00 - [31] the whine is strong in this thread

Jacques Archambault Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:11:00 - [32] Please use this thread in the EVE-Information Portal to voice your feedback. Please keep it constructive. -Jacques forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website!



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