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Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.11 14:58:00 - [121] Originally by: Theoses Death Before Dishonour. That's all I'm trying to say, basically. Anyway, I can agree to disagree. Time to find something else to argue about. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Judas Jones Amarr Black Company	Posted - 2007.11.11 15:02:00 - [122] Edited by: Judas Jones on 11/11/2007 15:04:06 I applaud the OP, the 'test' was very valid and it has shown the 'marks' dubious true nature and let's face it no one forced him to act in a selfish/dishonourable manner but himself! If I had been in local, I would have told you to give the mods to newbs in newbie starter systems since those that camp Jita 23/7 deserve to burn in biomass hell! It is also my opinion that a portion of our RL personality will be bestowed upon our in-game characters. This is primarily in regards to our behaviour and actions towards others. LetÆs face it, when you log on Eve youÆre not throwing a switch and replacing your personal traits! This is of course in relation to personality and traits not professions e.g. pirates can act with honour whilst pirate hunters can act like dubious morons. At the end of the day, when the switch is thrown and Eve is no more I can walk away knowing my in-game actions reflected my own self morals and I'm cool with that. Others like Verone can walk away knowing they built a reputation and kept to a self-code and they will be cool with that/ Chibra* can walk away knowing his personal generosity is well known amongst thousands of people. Marqdest's can walk away knowing when it came to the crunch, he choose to be selfish despite someone showing him/her how to be generous and thus demonstrating his greedy nature!<-- IMO the kind of nature that would rob the corp hangers and claim benefits in the RL whilst working. (If I was exclusively judgemental on his/her alleged actions in this case)
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 15:30:00 - [123] Originally by: Judas Jones Edited by: Judas Jones on 11/11/2007 15:04:06 I applaud the OP, the 'test' was very valid and it has shown the 'marks' dubious true nature and let's face it no one forced him to act in a selfish/dishonourable manner but himself! If I had been in local, I would have told you to give the mods to newbs in newbie starter systems since those that camp Jita 23/7 deserve to burn in biomass hell! It is also my opinion that a portion of our RL personality will be bestowed upon our in-game characters. This is primarily in regards to our behaviour and actions towards others. LetÆs face it, when you log on Eve youÆre not throwing a switch and replacing your personal traits! This is of course in relation to personality and traits not professions e.g. pirates can act with honour whilst pirate hunters can act like dubious morons. At the end of the day, when the switch is thrown and Eve is no more I can walk away knowing my in-game actions reflected my own self morals and I'm cool with that. Others like Verone can walk away knowing they built a reputation and kept to a self-code and they will be cool with that/ Chibra* can walk away knowing his personal generosity is well known amongst thousands of people. Marqdest's can walk away knowing when it came to the crunch, he choose to be selfish despite someone showing him/her how to be generous and thus demonstrating his greedy nature!<-- IMO the kind of nature that would rob the corp hangers and claim benefits in the RL whilst working. (If I was exclusively judgemental on his/her alleged actions in this case) The OP hasn't proved anything. Unless you were physically there and witnessed this supposed crime, how can you immediately assume the OP is telling the truth. And if you are comparing real life behaviour to in game behaviour, what this thread proves is that the OP is in teh habit of accusing people of crimes in real life without any evidence and then attempt character assasination. It also proves that a few of you in real life are in teh habit of judging people as being guilty of a crime based on hearsay alone. To be honest, I am quite shocked by some of the people on these forums. Like the person I just quoted above. If I was accused of a crime in his town, I'm sure he would say "feck the trial lets execute him now". Lots of talk of morality and ethics but very little actually being shown in this thread. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
ilovedronesandcarriers	Posted - 2007.11.11 15:40:00 - [124] Too bad since you posted on the forums even the most despised goon alts can claim your largest reward.
Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:15:00 - [125] Originally by: b0ing Hello. I'd like to start this thread by stating that I am not whining, I did not get scammed, and what Marqdest decided to do was 100% his choice and was a valid decision. But, as a natural result of failing the honor test I gave him, I thought it would be appropriate to publicly post the following explanation here: I entered Jita to have some fun and test people, to see how honorable they are. I had a big stack of tech2 items worth maybe 20m ISK, also in with the tech2 items was a Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive worth about 160 million ISK. I said in local, "I have a stack of tech2 items I want to give away for free. Convo me and if I like your reason the most for why I should give it to you, it's yours." 10-15 people convoed me, each giving differing reasons. Many of their reasons were illogical or stupid, some were OK reasons, and a few stood out. Marqdest's reason impressed me the most, so I gave him a brief interview and he answered all my questions satisfactorily. He even admitted that the wardec nerf put in a few months ago was fair and balanced, despite the fact he is in Privateer Alliance. I told him to dock at Jita 4-4 and he did, then he opened a trade window with me and I handed him all of the goods. He said thanks and left. Several minutes later I sent him an EVEmail saying "Dear Marqdest, when I gave you those tech2 items I also accidentally gave you a Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive that I still need. Could you please give it back to me, and I'll give you 5 million ISK as a reward?" He did not answer. Now it has been many hours and he has blocked me. This is a fine and valid move on his part. He earned all of the items, including the Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive, when he gave me a good reason for why I should give it to him, and when he passed the interview process. He has chosen to keep what he thinks was a mistakenly given item, and that is a valid choice. Had he accepted and given it back for 5 million ISK reward, I would have given him 300 million ISK since he truly passed the REAL thing I was testing for. Had he accepted and given it back, and insisted I not even give him 5 million ISK for his efforts since I already gave him 20m ISK in free tech2 items, I would have given him 500 million ISK. That is all. That is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard! Marqdest wins and you fail big time! Please please please test my honor! website \| killboard
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:20:00 - [126] Originally by: Kale Kold Originally by: b0ing Hello. I'd like to start this thread by stating that I am not whining, I did not get scammed, and what Marqdest decided to do was 100% his choice and was a valid decision. But, as a natural result of failing the honor test I gave him, I thought it would be appropriate to publicly post the following explanation here: I entered Jita to have some fun and test people, to see how honorable they are. I had a big stack of tech2 items worth maybe 20m ISK, also in with the tech2 items was a Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive worth about 160 million ISK. I said in local, "I have a stack of tech2 items I want to give away for free. Convo me and if I like your reason the most for why I should give it to you, it's yours." 10-15 people convoed me, each giving differing reasons. Many of their reasons were illogical or stupid, some were OK reasons, and a few stood out. Marqdest's reason impressed me the most, so I gave him a brief interview and he answered all my questions satisfactorily. He even admitted that the wardec nerf put in a few months ago was fair and balanced, despite the fact he is in Privateer Alliance. I told him to dock at Jita 4-4 and he did, then he opened a trade window with me and I handed him all of the goods. He said thanks and left. Several minutes later I sent him an EVEmail saying "Dear Marqdest, when I gave you those tech2 items I also accidentally gave you a Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive that I still need. Could you please give it back to me, and I'll give you 5 million ISK as a reward?" He did not answer. Now it has been many hours and he has blocked me. This is a fine and valid move on his part. He earned all of the items, including the Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive, when he gave me a good reason for why I should give it to him, and when he passed the interview process. He has chosen to keep what he thinks was a mistakenly given item, and that is a valid choice. Had he accepted and given it back for 5 million ISK reward, I would have given him 300 million ISK since he truly passed the REAL thing I was testing for. Had he accepted and given it back, and insisted I not even give him 5 million ISK for his efforts since I already gave him 20m ISK in free tech2 items, I would have given him 500 million ISK. That is all. That is the most stupidest thing i have ever heard! Marqdest wins and you fail big time! Please please please test my honor! Did you seriously just say 'most stupidest'? ... Right. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:30:00 - [127] Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Did you seriously just say 'most stupidest'? Wait until you start hearing the guys with "bestest" _ New character creation guide \| [CNVTF] corp recruiting \| Stacknerfs explained
b0ing Caldari Celebrating Life and Remembering Basgerin	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:45:00 - [128] Edited by: b0ing on 11/11/2007 16:46:42 In most circumstances, I do not agree with picking at people due to spelling / grammar mistakes. Informing people politely is one thing, but poking fun is usually not appropriate. I just wanted to state this so that the wolves do not try to attack my credibility by saying "LOOK, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH YOU, B0ING! GRAMMAR POLICE! THAT MEANS YOU ARE WRONG!" TBH, I think what the two of you just said was OK. The guy who said "most stupidest" is clearly nutty in thinking that somehow anyone "won" something at someone else's unwanted expense. At other times I'd (only to convey my disdain for an opinion) poke fun at grammar too (if the person had already shown hostility)...but in this situation the wolves are in too close and will use anything they can to try to make someone look like "the bad guy." WTS self! I'ma 50m+ SP pure PVP char! RAAAWR! -Click-
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:45:00 - [129] Sarah 2/10 Draken 1/10 the trolls in this thread are SERIOUSLY lame and fail every Trollnig Law of Autofail. They even fail to get a rise out of the OP! For the love of BoB please try harder next time and OP, if you honestly expected honour out of a privateer, you may want to visit that shrink anyway Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:51:00 - [130] Originally by: b0ing Edited by: b0ing on 11/11/2007 16:46:42 In most circumstances, I do not agree with picking at people due to spelling / grammar mistakes. Informing people politely is one thing, but poking fun is usually not appropriate. I just wanted to state this so that the wolves do not try to attack my credibility by saying "LOOK, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH YOU, B0ING! GRAMMAR POLICE! THAT MEANS YOU ARE WRONG!" TBH, I think what the two of you just said was OK. The guy who said "most stupidest" is clearly nutty in thinking that somehow anyone "won" something at someone else's unwanted expense. At other times I'd (only to convey my disdain for an opinion) poke fun at grammar too (if the person had already shown hostility)...but in this situation the wolves are in too close and will use anything they can to try to make someone look like "the bad guy." I wouldn't hold simple mistakes against someone with valid points that isn't an ass. The main opponent to this thread had valid points and presented them in a coherent, and generally hostility free method. Idiots lacking the skill and/or inclination to use coherent communication and insist on being smacktards have no sympathy from me and are open season. I'm not trying to make YOU look bad, however, I'm still going to speak my mind, no matter the situation. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:51:00 - [131] Edited by: Darken Two on 11/11/2007 16:52:31 Originally by: Tortun Nahme Sarah 2/10 Draken 1/10 the trolls in this thread are SERIOUSLY lame and fail every Trollnig Law of Autofail. They even fail to get a rise out of the OP! For the love of BoB please try harder next time and OP, if you honestly expected honour out of a privateer, you may want to visit that shrink anyway Nobody is trying to get a rise out of the OP. Whats the bloody point. The fact that you automatically mention multiple alliances in your post makes you fail. Not everythign in the game revolves around alliances and politics. This has actually been a more sensible discussion than most and you fail because you cannot comprehend that. Ps. The fact that there is no verbal abuse would be your first clue. Edit, Atleast get my name right when you troll. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
b0ing Caldari Celebrating Life and Remembering Basgerin	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:53:00 - [132] To be fair, I do not think they are trolling. I feel they are expressing their true opinion on the matter. One of my pet peeves is when people accuse others of bring "trolls" when the people were just expressing their true opinions. Some people are really really stupid, but it does not make them trolls automatically. WTS self! I'ma 50m+ SP pure PVP char! RAAAWR! -Click-
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:55:00 - [133] Originally by: Darken Two Edited by: Darken Two on 11/11/2007 16:52:31 Originally by: Tortun Nahme Sarah 2/10 Draken 1/10 the trolls in this thread are SERIOUSLY lame and fail every Trollnig Law of Autofail. They even fail to get a rise out of the OP! For the love of BoB please try harder next time and OP, if you honestly expected honour out of a privateer, you may want to visit that shrink anyway Nobody is trying to get a rise out of the OP. Whats the bloody point. The fact that you automatically mention multiple alliances in your post makes you fail. Not everythign in the game revolves around alliances and politics. This has actually been a more sensible discussion than most and you fail because you cannot comprehend that. Ps. The fact that there is no verbal abuse would be your first clue. Edit, Atleast get my name right when you troll. MUCH better, I'll give you a 4/10 on that one The fact that I totally trolled the response out of you lowered it from a 5 though Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:58:00 - [134] Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Did you seriously just say 'most stupidest'? Argumentum ad hominem. website \| killboard
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:58:00 - [135] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Darken Two Edited by: Darken Two on 11/11/2007 16:52:31 Originally by: Tortun Nahme Sarah 2/10 Draken 1/10 the trolls in this thread are SERIOUSLY lame and fail every Trollnig Law of Autofail. They even fail to get a rise out of the OP! For the love of BoB please try harder next time and OP, if you honestly expected honour out of a privateer, you may want to visit that shrink anyway Nobody is trying to get a rise out of the OP. Whats the bloody point. The fact that you automatically mention multiple alliances in your post makes you fail. Not everythign in the game revolves around alliances and politics. This has actually been a more sensible discussion than most and you fail because you cannot comprehend that. Ps. The fact that there is no verbal abuse would be your first clue. Edit, Atleast get my name right when you troll. MUCH better, I'll give you a 4/10 on that one The fact that I totally trolled the response out of you lowered it from a 5 though Don't see the point tho. I'm sorry but I'm not 14. And your grading system means absolutely nothing to me. Out of curiosity, how exactly do you think your post affects me ? I am quite secure in real life not not be threatened by internet taunts. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:02:00 - [136] Originally by: Kale Kold Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Did you seriously just say 'most stupidest'? Argumentum ad hominem. An argument against the man is perfectly fine in the sense that you were about as useful as a ******** potato in your first post, therefor giving zero incentive to try and rebutt an argument that simply wasn't there. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:03:00 - [137] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 11/11/2007 17:04:03 Then why bother responding? The 1-10 scale isn't just for your benefit you know, I provide this service so the entire board has an objective opinion the quality of a troll. As the head troll here ti is my responsability and honour to do so. your last post was actually the best so far, using an age quip is normally a downside but you were subtle with it, which I certainly approve of, keep up the personal attacks! 6/10 edit: and kenneth, I'm sorry but I can't even give you a 1 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:05:00 - [138] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 11/11/2007 17:04:03 Then why bother responding? The 1-10 scale isn't just for your benefit you know, I provide this service so the entire board has an objective opinion the quality of a troll. As the head troll here ti is my responsability and honour to do so. your last post was actually the best so far, using an age quip is normally a downside but you were subtle with it, which I certainly approve of, keep up the personal attacks! 6/10 edit: and kenneth, I'm sorry but I can't even give you a 1 How about "Go diaf you annoying ****." Cater to your taste better? I'm glad you enjoy what your doing. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:07:00 - [139] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 11/11/2007 17:04:03 Then why bother responding? The 1-10 scale isn't just for your benefit you know, I provide this service so the entire board has an objective opinion the quality of a troll. As the head troll here ti is my responsability and honour to do so. your last post was actually the best so far, using an age quip is normally a downside but you were subtle with it, which I certainly approve of, keep up the personal attacks! 6/10 edit: and kenneth, I'm sorry but I can't even give you a 1 Actually there was no personal attack in my post. I said I was not 14 implying that people who cared about the grading system would be typically that age but never saying the people who did the scoring would be 14. My second statement was just a question and an inoffensive one at that. The only reason I respond is to figure out why you were trying quite hard to get a rise out of me. It's a very strange thing to do and hence my curiosity. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:10:00 - [140] No Kenneth, try again, it needs to be at least remotely witty to pique my intrest. and Darken, you have passed my honour test God I love this job Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:15:00 - [141] Originally by: Tortun Nahme No Kenneth, try again, it needs to be at least remotely witty to pique my intrest. and Darken, you have passed my honour test God I love this job Perhaps you should check how old my character is before you judge too quickly. I have been on these boards a long long time and I've played this particular game before. Me thinks the troll got trolled out. Honour test indeed Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:17:00 - [142] trolled out? Methinks not, you are just no fun Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:19:00 - [143] Edited by: Darken Two on 11/11/2007 17:22:20 Originally by: Tortun Nahme trolled out? Methinks not, you are just no fun Lol I give you top marks for effort though. It was a good try, you were doing just fine. But you should never give up just because your target appears to be unaffected. Remember this simple rule. "The more complicated their sentence construction gets, the more bothered they are" Eventually, they will snap and abuse you. Ps. If you want a real lesson, dig up some of my old forum fights with Jade Constantine and Jericho Fraction. To be honest, Jericho Fraction were excellent forum warriors as well until they all got banned. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:22:00 - [144] Yeah, however I just got out of bed, am tired, and was looking for that quick fix, didn't feel like working a mark all day. besides, I got what I needed from Kenneth so I was done Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:25:00 - [145] lol, you people. I gotta do work now, check back later. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:37:00 - [146] Originally by: Kenneth McCoy lol, you people. I gotta do work now, check back later. Don't worry Kenneth. It seems this thread has reached some kind of deadlock. Noone wants to give a quarter. Usually just dies a quiet death from then on. I'm just happy I did my part. Maybe someone reads what I say and have a new perspective on things and maybe not. Eitehr way, I'm satisfied that I tried. To not try would be the true crime. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:37:00 - [147] Originally by: Sarah McTeef Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 11/11/2007 07:30:25 Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 11/11/2007 07:29:44 Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 11/11/2007 07:28:47 My reputation matters inside a subsection of the eve population. The vast majority of people will have no impact on me. This person ruined the wide reputation of someone for their own personal amusement while talking about honour. I'm more on about the blatant hypocrisy, disagree with my personal philosophy all you wish. Err, so why do you post with an alt? Everything you say has been disproven by you using an alt to post it with. Either way, anyone saying honor doesn't matter in a consistent game that runs on a single server and has been doing that for 4 years, has seriously not given it any thought.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 17:44:00 - [148] Originally by: Drykor Originally by: Sarah McTeef Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 11/11/2007 07:30:25 Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 11/11/2007 07:29:44 Edited by: Sarah McTeef on 11/11/2007 07:28:47 My reputation matters inside a subsection of the eve population. The vast majority of people will have no impact on me. This person ruined the wide reputation of someone for their own personal amusement while talking about honour. I'm more on about the blatant hypocrisy, disagree with my personal philosophy all you wish. Err, so why do you post with an alt? Everything you say has been disproven by you using an alt to post it with. Either way, anyone saying honor doesn't matter in a consistent game that runs on a single server and has been doing that for 4 years, has seriously not given it any thought. Honour matters, but is it something you can determine using an arbitrary test. Furthermore, when you name and shame, wouldn't you expect a certain level of evidence to support the claim? Therein lies the problem with this thread. As an anecdote it is interesting. However, this smells more like character assasination than honour test. I also find the testing conditions quite flawed. The amount low, the bait set too high. The whole concept seems to be an attempt to trap an ISK poor player into committing a crime. Quite distasteful if you ask me. It like going to a *** and telling her "I'll pay you if you sleep with me" and after she does, you accuse her of being a *. Originally by:** Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.11 19:09:00 - [149] Originally by: Darken Two Honour matters, but is it something you can determine using an arbitrary test. Furthermore, when you name and shame, wouldn't you expect a certain level of evidence to support the claim? Therein lies the problem with this thread. As an anecdote it is interesting. However, this smells more like character assasination than honour test. I also find the testing conditions quite flawed. The amount low, the bait set too high. The whole concept seems to be an attempt to trap an ISK poor player into committing a crime. Quite distasteful if you ask me. It like going to a *** and telling her "I'll pay you if you sleep with me" and after she does, you accuse her of being a *. Well to be honest I don't really care much about this trap one way or another, I'm not sure what he hoped to achieve. But I am arguing against this: Originally by:** Sarah McTeef Who cares about honour? This isn't the real world. Honour belongs in wow with the elves. Which is the biggest nonsense I've ever read. If anything, honour matters less in real life because good health, friends and even money, all that kind of stuff has far more meaning in there. In a persistent game all you eventually have is your character (which is safe), your isk (a nice thing but always temporary) and your reputation, which stays with you in the entire game and can easily be ruined. And honour can be a big aspect of that. Maybe not for everyone, maybe you want to be known as the most untrustworthy player ever, but those cases will be rare.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.11 19:10:00 - [150] Originally by: Drykor Originally by: Darken Two Honour matters, but is it something you can determine using an arbitrary test. Furthermore, when you name and shame, wouldn't you expect a certain level of evidence to support the claim? Therein lies the problem with this thread. As an anecdote it is interesting. However, this smells more like character assasination than honour test. I also find the testing conditions quite flawed. The amount low, the bait set too high. The whole concept seems to be an attempt to trap an ISK poor player into committing a crime. Quite distasteful if you ask me. It like going to a *** and telling her "I'll pay you if you sleep with me" and after she does, you accuse her of being a *. Well to be honest I don't really care much about this trap one way or another, I'm not sure what he hoped to achieve. But I am arguing against this: Originally by:** Sarah McTeef Who cares about honour? This isn't the real world. Honour belongs in wow with the elves. Which is the biggest nonsense I've ever read. If anything, honour matters less in real life because good health, friends and even money, all that kind of stuff has far more meaning in there. In a persistent game all you eventually have is your character (which is safe), your isk (a nice thing but always temporary) and your reputation, which stays with you in the entire game and can easily be ruined. And honour can be a big aspect of that. Maybe not for everyone, maybe you want to be known as the most untrustworthy player ever, but those cases will be rare. True. Agree with you. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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