Accountabilty doesnt exist in EvE.

Off topic posts removed. Stay on topic please.

The demands of accountability, made by a one day old anonymous forum alt, is hilarious in its hypocrisy. A counter-proposal I made to remedy such situations that degrade dialog within Jita Park Speakers Center: 'ban npc forum alts from csm forums'

Edit: Forum moderation discussion part removed, CCP Phantom

My request is simple in that viewpoints of significance reflected in the minutes can be made attributable to the party/parties making them to better inform the community. Most significant for considering election options which I think is a valid consideration you should afford to EvE players.

Accountabilty doesnt exist in EvE.

Considering that the ownership of the records is in fact public and not the CSM council, can I ask that you attempt to improve the record keeping.

CCP may make it public, if they'd wish to, but will probably not - NDA and stuff.

I love when people pull statements like that out of their opposite end. Ownership, I guess, is that of CCP. CCP may make it public, if they'd wish to, but will probably not - NDA and stuff.

I love when people pull statements like that out of their opposite end. Ownership, I guess, is that of CCP. CCP may make it public, if they'd wish to, but will probably not - NDA and stuff.

Considering that the ownership of the records is in fact public and not the CSM council, can I ask that you attempt to improve the record keeping.

Hey, if CCP wants to spring for multiple cameras, mics for every participant, and lots of transcribers, sure, we could document every word.

But the practical reality is that even doing the Minutes at the current level is easily >150 hours per summit, and most of that gets done by a relatively small number of people. I personally spent >40 hours working on the Winter minutes.

Hey, if CCP wants to spring for multiple cameras, mics for every participant, and lots of transcribers, sure, we could document every word.

But the practical reality is that even doing the Minutes at the current level is easily >150 hours per summit, and most of that gets done by a relatively small number of people. I personally spent >40 hours working on the Winter minutes.

So replacing "someone" with a "name" is really going to expand the document writing so much?

As I have explained several times, it is often very difficult, if not impossible, to figure out who is talking. The camera is on the conference table, and it's pointed at the end where the devs sit. Only one or two CSM's are visible in the video.

Even if we had proper coverage (at a minimum 2 cameras in opposite corners of the room; I've explained to CCP what would be needed, and I've done multicamera taping and editing in RL), it would still take a fair amount of extra time. And remember guys, we are volunteers, in many cases burning vacation days to go to Iceland plus evenings/weekends to prep the minutes.

Several CSMs -- myself included -- have already taken the time to clarify details upon specific request. If that is not good enough for you, I'm sorry, but we have to strike a balance.

you're a hypersensitive npc corp alt with an axe to grind about a triviality which is already covered by csm blogs

"This was followed by a discussion about removing learning implants, to encourage more risk taking. This was generally unpopular with most of the CSM at first. The discussion turned towards clone costs, which were widely agreed to be too high for high SP characters, which discourages high SP players from going on random suicide Rifter roams. One CSM stated a point in favor of removing learning implants, as that would be a nerf to highsec income, and he is always in favor of those where possible. Other members of the CSM were quick to object to that suggestion. Another CSM objected to "his peeps being thrown under the bus". It was suggested that CCP look into the implant losses in PVP, to try to determine the amount people are currently risking in implants."

I'd kind of like to see Learning Implants vanish. A lot of people avoid PvP on account of them. "Oh, I won't go on this op, my jump clone is on a timer and I'm in my Learning clone."

I think the attribute system vanishing entirely is something we'd never see, but removing learning boosts from implants (such that they become combat-only enhancements) might be a possibility.

However, this isn't really a major priority for me. I might bring it over beer in Islenskibarinn, but it's not going to be a summit topic and something I expend vast amounts of political capital on, like I have on supercaps.

Another CSM objected to "his peeps being thrown under the bus"

I think learning implants should be removed, ayep.

The anonymity of the minutes or lack thereof is a Xhagen/Diagoras thing, not a 'CSM chooses' thing.

At one time the CSM meetings including releasing notes that attributed every CSM members comments. If and of the VoR candidates are elected to the CSM 7 we will insist that the practice be reinstated!

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate

Once something has been deemed unnecessary by those tasked with doing something it generally never returns unless there's a really good reason to force it back in.