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Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 14/11/2007 19:40:25 My Sac: 5x HML T2, med TS EMP SB MWD, TS disruptor, LCB T2, CPR T2 2x OD T2, ETM T2, Domination BCU, Greaves MAR 2x polycarbs That's very similar to my setup, except I use a web in place of the cap recharger. I've never had to run my MAR full time, and the web combined with manual piloting is great for catching inties. Question... is the medium smartbomb usually enough to pop a pod in time?
Nexnecis Umbra	Posted - 2007.11.15 06:10:00 - [32] ...now.. i want a sac... /me clicks cruiser..5..
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.15 07:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 14/11/2007 19:40:25 My Sac: 5x HML T2, med TS EMP SB MWD, TS disruptor, LCB T2, CPR T2 2x OD T2, ETM T2, Domination BCU, Greaves MAR 2x polycarbs That's very similar to my setup, except I use a web in place of the cap recharger. I've never had to run my MAR full time, and the web combined with manual piloting is great for catching inties. Question... is the medium smartbomb usually enough to pop a pod in time? Nope, it's rather meant to brush off drones, and to bring a pod into armor during the locking cycle. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Berendas	Posted - 2007.11.15 14:40:00 - [34] Looking at my training time, Amarr Cruiser 5 will take 20 days to train ann thats AFTER Weapon Upgrades 5 which still has another 9 days on it Not to mention being Gallente I'll spend another month or so training missile skills. It's gonna be a long 2 months, but this monster sounds worth it
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.15 18:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Berendas Looking at my training time, Amarr Cruiser 5 will take 20 days to train ann thats AFTER Weapon Upgrades 5 which still has another 9 days on it Not to mention being Gallente I'll spend another month or so training missile skills. It's gonna be a long 2 months, but this monster sounds worth it Already have this ship, just need them dang T2 HAMs. I guess this is the hac im gonna fly until they fix our zealot.
Torothin Amarr Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.15 18:45:00 - [36] yeah the sac is a great ship. Im trianing up my missles just to use this ship. But those of you who say the pilgrim and curse suck are just idiots who know nothing about cap management. Have less cap than your opponent and you can nosf them to hell its that simple.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.15 19:19:00 - [37] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 15/11/2007 19:19:13 Originally by: Torothin yeah the sac is a great ship. Im trianing up my missles just to use this ship. But those of you who say the pilgrim and curse suck are just idiots who know nothing about cap management. Have less cap than your opponent and you can nosf them to hell its that simple. Unless you dont wanna kill something bigger then T1 frigs and cruisers you have to drain their cap. Curse and pilgrim dps is lolish.
Torothin Amarr Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.15 20:30:00 - [38] I have DI 5 and my curse and pilgrim can down a bs by itself. Their dps isn't lolish their dps is their ability to kill an opponets cap and lets the drones do the dirty work.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.15 20:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Torothin I have DI 5 and my curse and pilgrim can down a bs by itself. Their dps isn't lolish their dps is their ability to kill an opponets cap and lets the drones do the dirty work. Sure the Pilgrim can still solo a BS, but it takes a long ass time and his buddies will show up. It's kinda hard to bail when you're in web/scram range, while any other recon will just leave. That's why it sucks. Curse is still great though.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.15 21:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Torothin yeah the sac is a great ship. Im trianing up my missles just to use this ship. But those of you who say the pilgrim and curse suck are just idiots who know nothing about cap management. Have less cap than your opponent and you can nosf them to hell its that simple. I used extensively pilgrims and curses (recon lvl5 + talisman clone). Curse is still fine, but the pilgrim has become viable only with very few and specific setups. Mine can permarun 3 neuts or 1 neut+MAR. Anyhow, what prevents your opponent to time cap injections with reppers or other mods activations in between your neut & nos cycles ? Nothing. I'm not even talking how you would fare fighting passive tanks on ships which don't use cap for their weapons with the current NOS mechanics. Bottom line is, the Pilgrim is a slow killer and if you are dumb enough to rely on your opponent's cap to fuel your gear, if he's a decent PvP'er you're dead once he's drained. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Berendas	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:54:00 - [41] Thanks for all the input thus far guys these setups will be invaluable for me when the time comes, and don't be afraid to post your setups, I can always use more help One question though, is it worth fitting damage control on the Sacrilege? Its been a kind mod to me on Gallente ships, just though I'd pose the question
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Berendas Thanks for all the input thus far guys these setups will be invaluable for me when the time comes, and don't be afraid to post your setups, I can always use more help One question though, is it worth fitting damage control on the Sacrilege? Its been a kind mod to me on Gallente ships, just though I'd pose the question I dunno, sacri has very high resists and its really just that thermal hole you need to take care of. You could fit damage mods and speed mods instead of boosting resists a few % here and there. My 2 isk.
Berendas	Posted - 2007.11.18 21:48:00 - [43] I know I've already asked what the Sacrilege may have to watch out for as far as ships, but is there any particular enemy that the Sac absolutely pwns? Trying to be reeeeally familiar with this ship before I jump on in
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.19 01:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Berendas I know I've already asked what the Sacrilege may have to watch out for as far as ships, but is there any particular enemy that the Sac absolutely pwns? Trying to be reeeeally familiar with this ship before I jump on in I think it totally pwns cruisers. Its faster and has more tank and prolly more dps.
HarryManback Minmatar Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.11.19 01:58:00 - [45] It is a gruelingly amazing ship after the changes. It is all about really good tanking. Amarr Recon/Electronics Attack Ship/almost Black Ops pilot for auction
Trader Jjoe	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 14/11/2007 19:40:25 My Sac: 5x HML T2, med TS EMP SB MWD, TS disruptor, LCB T2, CPR T2 2x OD T2, ETM T2, Domination BCU, Greaves MAR 2x polycarbs That's very similar to my setup, except I use a web in place of the cap recharger. I've never had to run my MAR full time, and the web combined with manual piloting is great for catching inties. Question... is the medium smartbomb usually enough to pop a pod in time? Do you guys mean "HAML" instead of "HML" ? Or rather is it that you really mean Heavy missile launchers, not assault launchers, and are disregarding the ships bonuses purposely in favor of the range on HML's?
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.19 13:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Semkhet on 19/11/2007 13:35:46 Originally by: Trader Jjoe Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 14/11/2007 19:40:25 My Sac: 5x HML T2, med TS EMP SB MWD, TS disruptor, LCB T2, CPR T2 2x OD T2, ETM T2, Domination BCU, Greaves MAR 2x polycarbs That's very similar to my setup, except I use a web in place of the cap recharger. I've never had to run my MAR full time, and the web combined with manual piloting is great for catching inties. Question... is the medium smartbomb usually enough to pop a pod in time? Do you guys mean "HAML" instead of "HML" ? Or rather is it that you really mean Heavy missile launchers, not assault launchers, and are disregarding the ships bonuses purposely in favor of the range on HML's? No, I meant Heavy Missile Launcher. It's due to two facts: first, if I would like to maintain my same setup while using HAML instead, I also would have to replace the T2 MWD with a SS MWD, and replace the TS SB by a COSMOS "Lance" EMP SB. Since I never saw one in the contracts, I'd rather not rely on such a rare piece of equipment. That induced point two: I did not train HAM since I don't want to loose the ability to quietly pwn drones with a SB in the background while hammering my opponent. Loosing the med SB while upgrading to HAM would only increase my DPS by 30. Now these 30 DPS are IMHO well sacrified if in turn you can inflict 150 DP damage to each drone orbiting you at each SB activation. In the typical case of 5 drones attacking you, just the SB dishes out (5drones x 150dp) : 9secs = 83 DPS on drones.
Diomidis Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.19 14:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 19/11/2007 13:35:46Now these 30 DPS are IMHO well sacrified if in turn you can inflict 150 DP damage to each drone orbiting you at each SB activation. In the typical case of 5 drones attacking you, just the SB dishes out (5drones x 150dp) : 9secs = 83 DPS on drones. The anti-Drone SM fact is respected, tho the DPS difference between the dual bonused HAMs vs. the single bonused (just ROF) HMs is almost 100! Still the DPS with HML is sufficient to bring down most targets, as I think its in par with the effective DPS a Vaga produces in 20km ranges...
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.19 15:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Diomidis Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 19/11/2007 13:35:46Now these 30 DPS are IMHO well sacrified if in turn you can inflict 150 DP damage to each drone orbiting you at each SB activation. In the typical case of 5 drones attacking you, just the SB dishes out (5drones x 150dp) : 9secs = 83 DPS on drones. The anti-Drone SM fact is respected, tho the DPS difference between the dual bonused HAMs vs. the single bonused (just ROF) HMs is almost 100! Still the DPS with HML is sufficient to bring down most targets, as I think its in par with the effective DPS a Vaga produces in 20km ranges... Actually, with good skills (both in missile & drones) and counting the SB on a single target, you can go a bit beyond 300 dps. In realistic conditions, I doubt a vaga working at the end of barrage M falloff along with the usual varying hits due to tracking issues does as good.
Hugh Ruka Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2007.11.19 16:25:00 - [50] Finaly a solid missile cruiser and it's AMARR !!! Boost Caldari :-))) Anyway amarr frig 5 in the cooking (anathema) then amarr cruiser 5 next (sacriledge). Originally by: Aravel Thon Originally by: Nith Batoxxx Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox............... I am so so terribly sorry...
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:05:00 - [51] Ok, no more praising the sacrilege please. Seriously. What are you trying to do to my favorite ship?!? ---------------------------------- shinsushi > CCP, this game is too hard for me. Please change it so I can win. Please. I have never won at anything before. Take pity on me and pass the tissues.
Berendas	Posted - 2007.11.19 21:21:00 - [52] Originally by: OOOSOOO Ok, no more praising the sacrilege please. Seriously. What are you trying to do to my favorite ship?!? Why, learning to fly it of course
Berendas	Posted - 2007.11.24 01:41:00 - [53] Well after reading some of the forum threads on the new Hyena thats coming for Trinity I'm rather worried about what it may mean for the Sacrilege that I'm training for. The Hyena can apparently web up to around 20km so how badly could this affect the Sacrilege since its setup is usually based around MWD/HAM's?
Berendas	Posted - 2007.11.29 06:14:00 - [54] Anyone? I hate to be the little bumpzor but I really need some of this info as it may determine my skill training for the next 2 months or so
Kel Dario Amarr Blue Sky Inc	Posted - 2007.11.29 10:21:00 - [55] Fear not, those new EW-ships are frigs with a frigs hitpoints. With Javelins I can hit up to 60km, more then enough to take out a pesky ew-frig or one of the "new" tackler interceptors. Also you have 3 light drones with you for a reason. //Kel
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Berendas Edited by: Berendas on 29/11/2007 06:12:09 I've been reading up on Trinity and some of what it contains disturbs me and my little quest to pilot the Sacrilege. Trinity is being called a Caldari omni-patch and the Hyena Electronic Assault Ship can go pretty damn fast and still web at 20km, I really would appreciate input on what the Trinity changes may mean for the Sacrilege Afaik nothing changes with the sac with trinity.

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