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Hazel Starr	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:10:00 - [31] Most empire PvP corps will have a list of your members before they carry our a war declaration. Moving to a different corps will simply disrupt your operations and have the wardec follow you to your new corps. -- Haze
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:23:00 - [32] Originally by: ViolenTUK You cant be pod killed but your pod can be suicide killed so if you are destroyed donÆt hang around warp to a safe point. Unless they changed it in the last months you can pod kill if you are at war and you won't get concorded.
Scarlet Pimpernel Clan Eshin	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Elaina Marie Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel CCP will do nothing is the corp members flee to another corp or to NPC corp. I have personally petitioned the first time this happened to me and the GM said there was nothing they could/would do Again, you guys are not seeing the point of what that person was suggesting. He was suggesting they leave their corp and fill it with alts. Run the corp with the alts, and then reform the corp after the war. That is evading the wardec. I fail to see how either is applicable If its full of alt running the corp, the alts can be killed instead of the mains (so the corp wont get much work done) If its full of alts and the mains form a new corp, simply drop war and dec new corp. If the mains stay in NPC corp then theres not alot you can do except suicide them This happens all the time I dont see which bit you think CCP considers an exploit
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:05:00 - [34] Originally by: immolater Our corp in high sec has been war dec'ed by a bunch of clowns, that i guess cant hack it in low sec.... no reason givin other than they want isk to call it off. My question ius what are we facing here ? rules of engagement,period of time ,concoredes involvment and any such info that could help ... tnx in advance I love how you ask questions highlighting your lack of knowledge of game mechanics, whilst calling a bunch of other players who are legitimatley trying to extort cash (or just want some empire pvp) from your corp a bunch of clowns. Who knows, maybe they couldn't make it in low sec. Maybe they can still have fun in empire with war decs. Maybe they could make it in low sec. And just want a bit of a change which war decs in empire give. The fact you use that "couldn't hack it in low sec" line makes me hope they give you a thorough beating. There's only one bunch of clowns from where I'm sitting.
G0rF Gallente The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Orion Eridanus Actually we did it with 2 blackbirds, 2 caracals (non damp fitted) 2 thoraxes and 1 vexor. Our target was in a 10 man gang with 2 cruisers (thorax, vexor) 4 BC's (myrm's drakes) 3 BS (megathrons) and 1 Cmd ship (Eos) We killed off the Eos and the 2 cruisers at the loss of both of our thoraxes. Racial jammers and ventrillo ftw Good moves. Did you remember to include a bookmark named "This entire gang cost us less than one of those kills" in each ship's cargo? Subtlety in smack is far more effective
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:12:00 - [36] Originally by: ViolenTUK Never pay the ransom. This will only help them do it again another day besides often they will continue the war dec even after you have paid up. You cant be pod killed but your pod can be suicide killed so if you are destroyed donÆt hang around warp to a safe point. Warp core stabilizers. People will forget that you are fighting a person they will get bored and distracted given time you can take that into consideration. Typically station camps wont last that long and if you logout for a few hours they will find that frustrating. Jump clones are useful if your standing are good enough to use them then you should do so. Wait until a number of active hostile are camping your station then jump out. They will become disoriented. 1. Signed, don't pay them. Fight it out or sit it out. 2.Unless I've missed a patch pods are legitimate war targets. Don't stick around to find out but if you've got access to a jump lone, use it to get an empty clone. Be sure it's updated. 3. Clearly you've never been on a station camp with a dedicated purpose. I've had to station camp for hours upon hour. All they need to do is get a good book or play windowed and do some wrrk while checking their overview or listening on Vent for sightings. A corp who really wants to keep you in station will ruin your day. 4. Jump clones, again, are good. Use the, but don't be surprised if the other corp has either a) done their homework and knows where you spend your time or b) uses a locator to track you down. In general the posts here are accurate and I think you've picked the best option. A cheap T1 cruiser gang of 2 Blackbirds, 2 Celestis, Damp Caracals and Vexors/Thoraxes/Stabbers etc. can be really nasty and push a respectable amount of DPS with a lot of e-war. Try new things, get a pilot who can use remote reps or shield transfes and fit an Exequror or Osprey. Just try everything so that you know how to do it. Your corp will be better for it at the end and you'll be better able to survive in this game afterwrds. Good luck, Tai
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:00:00 - [37] Originally by: iiOs Originally by: Valde Animus I really like that last option, witch seems to be the smartest. IF your like me and have no interest in PVP mind you. Everyone create an alt. Alts join the corp, mains quit to NPC corp. Just create a separate chat channel and go about your business as usual until the 'clowns' get tired. If they shoot your main anyway, then enjoy watching Concord have a field day! But to answer your questions.. -Concord wont lift a finger -No rules of engagement, imagine that you are in 0.0, only they cant pod you. -This will go on until the other guys get tired of paying the wardec fee (witch is pretty small) -there is the chance that these guys have been doing this for a while, and are probably pretty efficient at wiping out new corps no advice > bad advice stfu and stop thinking you are so smug by posting with an alt. -------------------------------------------------
Orontes Ovasi COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Lord Bleu Hope this helps New CEO? Under attack? Here's how to defend yourself This is a great guide. One of the most helpful, on-the-nose things I've read.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.15 01:07:00 - [39] Pods are legitimate war targets. IÆm not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that part of my post particularly as I have personally pod killed enemies in wartime. Originally by: Tai Paktu 3. Clearly you've never been on a station camp with a dedicated purpose. I've had to station camp for hours upon hour. All they need to do is get a good book or play windowed and do some work while checking their overview or listening on Vent for sightings. A corp who really wants to keep you in station will ruin your day. Actually you are wrong there I have been on the receiving end of a dedicated station camp before and I admire their dedication. My pc like most can run messenger, ventrilo, 4 eve clients and Battlefield 2 at the same time so I can wait just as long as they can. Likely for me personally is to simply play with another account in eve or simply wait and play another game. A corp. that wants to keep me in the station might be able to do that but would not ruin my day. I would imagine that I could be in the position to ruin theirs. I have station camped war targets myself and my personal problem was keeping the other players helping me with the camp vigilant and motivated. As for jump clones they are a useful tool to help you but I completely agree that the corporation war deccing you may already have pilots waiting there. Much of this depends on the corp. that has war decced you. Be vigilant. www.eve-players.com
Dramaan	Posted - 2007.11.15 01:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Dramaan on 15/11/2007 01:29:33 I got some tips to avoid the war. make a another account who are in npc corp make profit whit him while you are at war. This you can do till the war is over. Or you are whit main fly cheap ship like the ibis to escape or elevate the situation. Newer fly whit implants in duration of the war. If want to be really safe logg out of the game if you are in a camped station they may left. If you really pu**y don't logg in to game. Or are you a man fight them.
Dylatar Gallente Ocean Eleven Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2007.11.15 06:56:00 - [41] Well all advice which can be given already is given here. I can just share my corps/alliance experience as we had something like that a few weeks ago too. We were not very experienced in PvP, and the corp who deced us wanted a unusual small amount of ISK to retract the war. It would have been no problem to pay it, it wouldn't even hurt us - but we decided not to pay, grab our guns and going into war. In total we was in war for 2 weeks. As we were unexperienced we sure had losses, but we also had kills. We lost more ships than we killed, but if you count in ISK our enemy also had to pay the war fee for two weeks and then it may have cost him more than us. If you decide to fight just follow some rules: 1. Always check local for enemies. 2. Never fly alone if avoidable 3. If you have to fly alone choose a ship and fitting to avoid enemies (fast one or cloaked) to minimize risk 4. Don't go blind into fights, take time to analyze your enemy and his tactics 5. Analyze your own pilots strength and weaknesses. EW will help alot for example. 6. You will loose ships. Everytime you fit a ship for combat choose a ship and fitting you can afford to loose. 7. Get a jumpclone with no or cheap implants for combat. We fought 2 weeks and as a usual non-pvp orientated player I must say it was fun. :) I lost a Falcon in the war (by my own silly fault), but mistakes happen and out of mistakes we learn. :) We collected some PvP experience and will be better prepared for the possible next time. So we didn't regret our decision to fight. Makes some fun out of the everydays business of a more industrial orientated and mission runenr corp.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.15 07:13:00 - [42] Prepare for a lot of station camping and smack talk Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.11.15 07:19:00 - [43] I'm not arguing that the hardest part of a station camp is keeping your gang motivated, however, I'm saying that your point about the campers getting bored and leaving could be misleading to a new CEO's expectations. If the dec'ing corp has invested the time and the ISK into the war then they're likely either a) bored anyways and a station cam at least gives them somewhere to congregate and spam local with smack or b)determined to remove the targets from their space. Either way, simply logging off or going AFK for hours, while decidedly annoying, won't break the camp. You'll just tab back from your second account or from playing Battlefield (good call by the way) to hours of smack which will be amusing to read and post on your corps' Forums. Either way, it sounds like this guy took the advice given and had some fun with this war. So kudos to him.
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.15 09:47:00 - [44] HIre us -
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.15 11:56:00 - [45] Originally by: ViolenTUK Actually you are wrong there I have been on the receiving end of a dedicated station camp before and I admire their dedication. My pc like most can run messenger, ventrilo, 4 eve clients and Battlefield 2 at the same time so I can wait just as long as they can. Likely for me personally is to simply play with another account in eve or simply wait and play another game. A corp. that wants to keep me in the station might be able to do that but would not ruin my day. I would imagine that I could be in the position to ruin theirs. completely disagree. in first place, not every1 has a computer like yours to run all that stuff. in second place, when you logged on THAT specific account, you wanted to do something. and your enemy planned to do something too: station camp you. ergo, they achieved what they wanted, but you, on THAT specific account, won't be doing anything. ergo: the camp was successful and THAT specific account day is "ruined". Quote: I have station camped war targets myself and my personal problem was keeping the other players helping me with the camp vigilant and motivated. station camp can totally be done half/full AFK as long as the people who is doing is have decent comms (TS/VT) and they take turns in having at least one person always on guard. been there, done that. and when my guarding turn was, i could just play in windowed mode (do that all the time anyways) and run a divx in a small window, overlapping even just where i use to have the gang chat. Quote: As for jump clones they are a useful tool to help you but I completely agree that the corporation war deccing you may already have pilots waiting there. Much of this depends on the corp. that has war decced you. Be vigilant. true that. but i would say that 90% of wardecs nowadays are complete noob corps who just try to find easy targets in empire space. the only thing they manage to do is to check corps info to see how many members, and check a few members for their age. and thats about it. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Glacies Meretricist	Posted - 2007.11.15 12:29:00 - [46] As a corp that have been on the receiving end of Empire war decs, all I can say is this... don't smack talk in local. As a CEO I stressed this to my Corp and our wars, although a pain in the butt, passed with no animosity and in the end some friendly chats with the war deccers. of course that depends upon your corp and their corp. To call them a bunch of clowns that couldn't hack it in low sec is a bit uncessary though To my knowledge: 1: Any war target can be popped and podded without Concorde responding. 2: Smacking them will probably keep the war going 3: Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose 4: Always check local before undocking 5: Always use a scout before jumping to another system 6: The war will go for a minimum of a week 7: If they are not an Alliance and only have one war going then their cost is 1m per week* 8: Use a voice comms program otherwise you'll get shredded 9: Use a balanced gang and pick your fights. 10: bring any POS defenses online and/or store Research Labs (if applicable). 11: If your Corp is a tight unit, it will pull through. 12: Consider hiring mercenaries to assist you. 13: Leave an alt in the corp and go back to a NPC corp** the 50m quote people have mentioned above is only for an Alliance declaring war, as per this dev blog I strongly advise against this; although not an exploit to leave your corp, if* you do it repeatedly then you might get GMdokonned. I say repeatedly cos as soon as you rejoin the corp, you can expect them to wardec you again. Good luck.
Katrina Coreli The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.15 13:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Battleclash Says the alt You are new arnt you. And i cant give any better advice than those have already given. All you need to do, given that you arnt going to pay then unless you are an idiot, is make the war so unprofitable and un fun for them that they back off. Most active way of doing this is fit full cheep and cheerful and go for expensive targets. Go EWAR heavy in your gangs and you are bound to **** them off. If they bring something you dont want to/cant handle just dock up. I would advse against counter hiring mercs unless you have isk to burn. They are needlessly expensive, spend the money you would spend on mercs on a veritable fleet of tech 1 cruisers instead :) ----------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.15 17:55:00 - [48] Some bad advice in this thread...and just to correct one flawed game mechanic point...you can indeed get podded in empire during a dec...in fact expect it to happen... If you can't handle the war decc'ing corp yourself...hire a merc outfit to come and lay waste to the aggressors. There are several notable corps who for a price will make the problem go away...
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:56:00 - [49] I did actually post this retraction: Originally by: ViolenTUK Pods are legitimate war targets. IÆm not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that part of my post particularly as I have personally pod killed enemies in wartime. I hope this matter is clear now. www.eve-players.com
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:17:00 - [50] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 16/11/2007 13:19:03 With 80% of the games population living in High Sec Empire with no interest in combat with players at all, I think CCP should get a move on with Ambulation, Dancing Animations, Customizable Personal Rooms, Pets, Planetary Ambulation, Ship-car-washes, user defined ship decorations and modifications (I always thought the B-52 Bomber models used in Freelancer looked really good when set in space, and I demand animated propellers when we get them) and speech bubbles appearing above our avatars. or we could have PvP...wait...sorry I was being ridiculous there, many apologies everyone, I fully understand that PvP should only occur in 0.0 because High Sec Empire is the "safe zone" where such things should not be allowed to occur as it puts everyone of the game as they only signed up to collect their characters pet and do a spot of mining. Infact I think we should convert this thread to send a powerful message to CCP that we as a community will not stand for Empire wars anymore, it's disgusting, it's wrong, it's unfair, it's griefing, it should be entirely removed from the game. Edit: oh yes, some advice. If you want a 100% cure to your war - set a long skill and log off for a week, ask your corpmates to do the same - watch TV, take the wife out, talk to the kids, go see a few films...there's plenty to do out there. You can be sure the aggressors won't bother extending the war. Thunk!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Captain Thunk Utter failure at thread reading... In case you haven't noticed, the OP stated they decided to fight, that they've had some success fighting and it was great fun, displaying just the opposite attitude of what you portrayed. Actually reading the thread is typically for the win.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:05:00 - [52] I stopped reading at the "just dissolve and reform your corp under a different name" part which was followed by a lively debate over the legitimacy of such an action. The prevailing attitude on war decs is to avoid them and bore the aggressors away - History > Reading
Kailiao The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.16 22:44:00 - [53] Originally by: Katrina Coreli Edited by: Katrina Coreli on 15/11/2007 21:41:51 Go EWAR heavy in your gangs and you are bound to ** them off. If they bring something you dont want to/cant handle just dock up. This is why eve is going down the tubes, people scared to lose there ships, and who use ewar *ness to win fights, that they would win, if they thought for 1 min on how to pvp. All i say is have fun with this dec, fit up some cheap ships, or expensive ones, and just undock, engage and see what happends mate.
Mathias Orsen	Posted - 2007.11.17 12:53:00 - [54] You should post with your main if you really want the best help with something. Contact me in game, chat or mail, and I'll join the corp and help with the war. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
pmacFTO Caldari Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.19 14:48:00 - [55] Ah, CoM up to their old tricks eh? I actually quite like their CEO to chat to but abhor their war decs usually indy corps with no chance of fighting back. I've not seen them stay and fight when up against any evenly matched force and they only take on the fight if it's an easy kill with almost guaranteed outcome (in their favour). Check their KB for a nice list of indy/mining ships they have killed
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.11.19 17:42:00 - [56] Funny you said they are clowns because they can't "hack it in low sec". Funny, because that must mean you are also a clown since you are not hacking low sec either by allowing yourselves to be war dec'd in Empire. As far as what you are in for with a war, it's anyone's guess. My corp has kept corps and alliances dec'd for months on end until they pay up or quit or permadock for weeks on end. Once they pay we never re-declare them as long as no hostile actions are taken against us. If you think that jumping to another corp will stop them, it's possible but with us, we just keep decing each corp you jump to. Especially the mouthy types like yourself. Don't be fooled by people telling you it's an exploit to jump to another corp to evade war decs. I have confirmed this with GM's several times over that it is not an exploit. Also, don't be fooled into thinking it's considered harassment when your new corp gets dec'd by the same people every time you jump to a new one. It's not. I have had several interactions with GM's on this one as well, and they have confirmed it over and over, if you jump corp to a new corp, your oppenent can follow and dec the new corps over and over. How much ISK are they asking for a surrender fee anyways?
Mofel A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:15:00 - [57] Edited by: Mofel on 19/11/2007 18:16:30 Originally by: Elaina Marie Originally by: Valde Animus I really like that last option, witch seems to be the smartest. IF your like me and have no interest in PVP mind you. Everyone create an alt. Alts join the corp, mains quit to NPC corp. Just create a separate chat channel and go about your business as usual until the 'clowns' get tired. If they shoot your main anyway, then enjoy watching Concord have a field day! That tactic is petionable/bannable. I don't recommend you try it. If you decide to undock, make sure you keep a close watch on local. If someone with a red star next to their name jumps in and if you don't intend to fight, dock immediately. Do not haul stuff around in a hauler without someone scouting you. Do not jump into a system without knowing what is on the otherside. Don't undock in/with anything you can't afford to loose. If they do manage to catch you and blow up your ship, don't smack talk them. They killed you fair and square because you ignored my previous advice. Smack talking them only makes you look like a newb and actually encourages them to hunt you more. If you must say something in local, say something like Good Fight. Good luck on your war. How did you word your petition? Because some corp wardeced us and then their members immediately joined a NPC corp, leaving a 3 day old alt as CEO. I tried to petition it but GM kicked back after war is over and said they can't force them to fight. Edit: Sorry it's off the topic, but I would like to know if its indeed an exploit.
pmacFTO Caldari Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Nexa Necis How much ISK are they asking for a surrender fee anyways? They were asking my old corp for a paltry 250m - hardly worth the effort....we lost a lot more than that fighting them but it's about the principle in my opinion.
coldplasma Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:43:00 - [59] Edited by: coldplasma on 19/11/2007 22:45:00 The only thing that is bannable by petition is disbanding your corp and reforming to avoid a war. Using an alt in an NPC corp for the duration of the war is NOT bannable. _________________
Avaricha Halo The Cry of Mankind	Posted - 2007.11.20 10:00:00 - [60] Originally by: pmacFTO Ah, CoM up to their old tricks eh? I actually quite like their CEO to chat to but abhor their war decs usually indy corps with no chance of fighting back. I've not seen them stay and fight when up against any evenly matched force and they only take on the fight if it's an easy kill with almost guaranteed outcome (in their favour). Check their KB for a nice list of indy/mining ships they have killed Wait, wat? Why do you think its us? Lies, you've seen me fight outnumbered several times. That was the only way to lure you guys out of the station. ..and I killed a mission runner the other day. HAH! Cry of Mankind is recruiting

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