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Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.03.05 15:04:00 - [61] Quote: Also, I think this might be something to put to CCP. Alt corp war decs are lame. Amen! *praises the Lord* ----------------------------------------------
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.05 15:52:00 - [62] I don't know if MF are alts or not, I suspect they aren't but that's beside the point - there's absolutely no way of knowing one way or the other. I don't want to know how many skill points someone has, or what the names of people's alts are but I would like some way of finding out if someone is an alt or not. My preferred solution (which I've suggested numerous times before) would be a % of skill points a character has from an account. It doesn't address multiple accounts or stop people using alts, but at least it means you have a pretty good idea about the nature of the person you're dealing with. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.05 16:21:00 - [63] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/03/2004 16:30:42 Without wanting to pass judgement on our latest war-declaration from MF, its certainly true that we have had more than our fair share of numpty declarations from nonsense corps, mostly (one supposes) because they rather liked the idea of ambushing the hugely rich JF haulers in empire space (lol). Most of these chaps do eventually discover that a) we don't actually have any (since castor ended effective trade) and b) most of us fly around in sexy war frigates and are thus extremely happy to blast alts out of the sky for the entertainment of the passers by. Hence the alt wars tend to be retracted eventually or just left to mess up our corp war list. "Smack Talk Federation" and "Terra Nova" this means you ... we haven't seen any of your ships for a long time ... please tidy up your unwanted war decs! On the alts and percentage skill display thing, I think it would be a very good idea to see the relative training levels of characters on that account. And would make infiltrating with alts much harder in corporate espionage. Sometimes I do wonder what the unviverse of Eve would have been like with absolutely no alts at all. Pretty strange perhaps, but I suspect there would be a lot more respect for reputation and the consequences for discussion and interaction. I suspect there would be more need for teamwork and intra-corp specialisation as well: Looking at my character sheet its very obvious that i'm a jack of all trades and master of none ... I really have had to learn a bit of everything (apart from mining) because Jade is my only character ... with 10m skill points I could have been a combat goddess by now ... but really wasn't to be. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.03.05 16:21:00 - [64] Quote: I don't know if MF are alts or not, I suspect they aren't but that's beside the point - there's absolutely no way of knowing one way or the other. I don't want to know how many skill points someone has, or what the names of people's alts are but I would like some way of finding out if someone is an alt or not. My preferred solution (which I've suggested numerous times before) would be a % of skill points a character has from an account. It doesn't address multiple accounts or stop people using alts, but at least it means you have a pretty good idea about the nature of the person you're dealing with. Thats a good idea Athule it's the alt thing that ****es me off. The MF thing is meaningless. That gutless wonders can train some stupid alt to fly a frig and go around doing war decs is quite tardly. These alt frig corps are kind of like a rash. Its annoying but it will go away. There just needs to be a way to know who you are dealing with. Maybe have agents be able to research who an alt's main is?
Krullz	Posted - 2004.03.05 16:51:00 - [65] Dear Mr. JADE DUDE.. Not us, point that Drama Queen Finger at someone else. and yes, JADE is a 10.5 % DUDE
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.05 16:58:00 - [66] Ah, mr Krullz, then I imagine it was some other alt corps Kestrel that I looted the other day after it tried a cheap shot on my incursus hmmm ... thank you for the 90 cruise missiles by the way, it was quite a lovely gift! ... and so unexpected! Jade = 10.5% Dude (apparently) ... whatever that means ;) JF Public Forum
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.03.05 17:31:00 - [67] Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 05/03/2004 17:40:56 HUH? WHAT? 10.5% dude? Where in the hell does that % come from? I'll try to keep this post friendly Eris... Anyone want to geuss what percentage all of you whining Jade forum flamers and Jade forum trolls are? I'm not certain but I bet it's close to 100% pansie. I really haven't seen anyone that can go toe to toe with Jade in the forums. Probably Viceroy IMO, but that's about it. /emote - breaks out asbestos suit and riot gear... Posting for Numbnutz
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.05 17:45:00 - [68] The funny thing is Riz I don't need to batter him on the forums the poor love already did me the honour of blowing up for me in game and providing a lovely present! He is so cute! (even if his hair has fallen out from all the plut convoys he runs from Venal to Khanid Prime (Khanid Works station) in a slow industrial with almost 160 million in rare and valuable cargo on board! Oops, I hope I haven't accidently endangered his route blushes ... ummmm, any pirates reading this please don't war dec CDI and hassle them in empire ... that really would be soooooo norty! Love and peace JF Public Forum
Alexandra Belana	Posted - 2004.03.05 19:32:00 - [69] Edited by: Alexandra Belana on 05/03/2004 19:33:33 mmm perhaps after careful examnination of Krullz' corpse you may be able to determine if - in fact - HE is a "dude" mmmmmmmm n0rdy Evil Temptress - Goddess of Pleasure
Sluticious	Posted - 2004.03.05 19:59:00 - [70] We declared war on Jericho cause its fun :)
Miso	Posted - 2004.03.05 21:24:00 - [71] Quote: We declared war on Jericho cause its fun :) Hi mr alt -------------------------------------------- Dead
TauTut	Posted - 2004.03.05 21:29:00 - [72] I'm still trying to talk Viziam in to declaring .. -TT Background
Hakera	Posted - 2004.03.05 21:30:00 - [73] Miso - that sig is pure class! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Wraeththu	Posted - 2004.03.05 21:38:00 - [74] Quote: Looking at my character sheet its very obvious that i'm a jack of all trades and master of none ... I really have had to learn a bit of everything (apart from mining) because Jade is my only character ... with 10m skill points I could have been a combat goddess by now ... but really wasn't to be. starts bawling I can't take it any more.. I'm living a lie! I'm almost a master of mining and astrogeology!! My corp made me do it. I'm innocent!! sobs -- TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range.
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.03.06 07:48:00 - [75] Quote: We declared war on Jericho cause its fun :) That means I'll see you in space at some point, right? There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Atandros	Posted - 2004.03.06 09:38:00 - [76] Quote: And just for the record. Schani got it wrong. JF didn't pod my alt. They podded shiver me timbers. I rekon it was an instapod tho - by cruise missiles. Shiver did loose about 5 ships that night tho Hey, you got podded yourself yesterday too, remember? /me strokes his s0cks corpse
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.06 10:32:00 - [77] How tragic! We appear to be up to our collective stocking-tops in milksops and poltroons! La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Raymo	Posted - 2004.03.06 10:36:00 - [78] Seems Jericho seem a little bit stressed from these war declarations, otherwise they wouldn't bother posting at all.
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.06 10:40:00 - [79] Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 06/03/2004 10:43:36 I'd say puzzled more than stressed dear. For all the war decs against us (barring the latest one) we only ever really see Mercenary Frigates actually bothering to back the declaration with any sort of action. The underlying question being, "Why bother if you're not going to 'bother'?" Hence "puzzled" more than "stressed" Hope that wafts away the fog dearest La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Raymo	Posted - 2004.03.06 10:47:00 - [80] Your not the only corp we are at war with, got 4 ourselves. Pretty simple why we declared war on you, we just saw a few of you's in local once and chose that corp, as for the others 1 is a large corp, other 2 are declared wars against us, 1 of them being from some guy a little bit annoyed he lost his apoc shooting at us, not that we forced him to shoot us at a gate.
Miso	Posted - 2004.03.06 11:09:00 - [81] Quote: Seems Jericho seem a little bit stressed from these war declarations, otherwise they wouldn't bother posting at all. I wish people would actually READ posts before submitting their own. I want people to war dec us with their mains, not their alts. Do you see the difference? Its not hard to understand. -------------------------------------------- Dead
s0cks	Posted - 2004.03.06 11:19:00 - [82] For your information: Corp alts (note all these ppl re in MF): Omri: 2M skillpoints Shiver me timbers: 800k skillpoints (omri's alt) Schani: 5M+ skillpoints Naqq: 5M+ skillpoints Ska: 3-4M skillpoints Blaczulu: 4M skillpoints (Deathkiss alt) Dexter: 1M skillpoints Mathews: 2-3M skillpoints Bexxly: 4M+ skillpoints My alts: s0cks: 1.2M skillpoints Lindor: 3.2M skillpoints vyrus: 800k skillpoins (not used often) That will help start your list. As you can see all these chars are in MF. So go figure... Every person you have fought from MF is not a crappy alt either. Hell I bet you have some form of mining alt possibly. But everyone you have fought is FULL TIME MF. So even if they have 500k skillpoints, its their main char. We also have at least 4/5 members who have enuff skills to comfortably fly battleships. And many more with 3-4M skillpoints who can fly cruisers. Hardly anyone, and I mean anyone in the corp is some cheap and pathetic alt. I would have thought better from JF to start giving crappy false accusations about MF. You guys are the best fight we've had in ages. We've both lost ships, and had fun while doing so. This is just poor, sad, nonsense. Which has started to turn this war a bit sour.
Grimster	Posted - 2004.03.06 11:33:00 - [83] Quote: For your information: Corp alts (note all these ppl re in MF): Omri: 2M skillpoints Shiver me timbers: 800k skillpoints (omri's alt) Schani: 5M+ skillpoints Naqq: 5M+ skillpoints Ska: 3-4M skillpoints Blaczulu: 4M skillpoints (Deathkiss alt) Dexter: 1M skillpoints Mathews: 2-3M skillpoints Bexxly: 4M+ skillpoints Now you've upset me... Anyway I gotta agree with s0cks, you've got some very skilled frig pilots and personally some of the best fights I've had in Eve have happened in the last couple of days. Cheers JF :) Grimster (Not an alt)
Asimir Kurdugal	Posted - 2004.03.06 11:57:00 - [84] Quote: Quote: And just for the record. Schani got it wrong. JF didn't pod my alt. They podded shiver me timbers. I rekon it was an instapod tho - by cruise missiles. Shiver did loose about 5 ships that night tho Hey, you got podded yourself yesterday too, remember? /me strokes his s0cks corpse Why does everyone around here stroke corpses? Surely there are better thing to do with them, baring those that will land you in jail of course. I mean things like giving them names and creating imaginary friends. Or, for those who have collected a large number, arrange big shows involving marionettes or other kinds of corpse puppets. You could put on plays like Macbeth or Cats. The best part is they could start big names in the world of Eve. Like Homo Erectus as Hamlet, or Josh Calvert as some guy from Rent. Hamlet Homo: "Meet it is I set it down that one may smile, and smile, and be a noob". or Miso, Jade, and Jo as 3 witches from Macbeth: "Double, double, toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble. Spank us." Do something with them! Like arange them into elaborate battle poses, like big, rotting army men. Do something besides stroke them. There are plenty of other things that need to be stroked. ________________________________________________ Moving again, comfort of the chase Now and again, this my saving grace Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove Keep me alive and give me something to lose I've been gone so long, but I will come back I will come back for you
Naqq	Posted - 2004.03.06 12:37:00 - [85] This is our main, most in FRIGs are mains... I think ^^ MF Training Video #2 -- "Yarrr..." [FRIG] promotional video\|Training film #1\|Training film #2\| \|Newsreels: #1,#2,#3(NEW).\|
Laird	Posted - 2004.03.06 12:55:00 - [86] Quote: Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/03/2004 16:30:42 Looking at my character sheet its very obvious that i'm a jack of all trades and master of none ... I really have had to learn a bit of everything (apart from mining) because Jade is my only character ... with 10m skill points I could have been a combat goddess by now ... but really wasn't to be. Love and peace You'll always be a goddess to me Jade.. Y'Know...Come the notion that I decide ever to acquire a second account I'm going to have to look up Jericho faction..They seem a like minded bunch of souls. Commodore Laird, Human Resources Officer "There are strange aeons where even death may die"
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.03.06 13:40:00 - [87] Quote: For your information: Corp alts (note all these ppl re in MF): Omri: 2M skillpoints Shiver me timbers: 800k skillpoints (omri's alt) Schani: 5M+ skillpoints Naqq: 5M+ skillpoints Ska: 3-4M skillpoints Blaczulu: 4M skillpoints (Deathkiss alt) Dexter: 1M skillpoints Mathews: 2-3M skillpoints Bexxly: 4M+ skillpoints My alts: s0cks: 1.2M skillpoints Lindor: 3.2M skillpoints vyrus: 800k skillpoins (not used often) That will help start your list. As you can see all these chars are in MF. So go figure... Every person you have fought from MF is not a crappy alt either. Hell I bet you have some form of mining alt possibly. But everyone you have fought is FULL TIME MF. So even if they have 500k skillpoints, its their main char. We also have at least 4/5 members who have enuff skills to comfortably fly battleships. And many more with 3-4M skillpoints who can fly cruisers. Hardly anyone, and I mean anyone in the corp is some cheap and pathetic alt. I would have thought better from JF to start giving crappy false accusations about MF. You guys are the best fight we've had in ages. We've both lost ships, and had fun while doing so. This is just poor, sad, nonsense. Which has started to turn this war a bit sour. errm I'm not speaking for everybody but I said specifically I wasn't talking bout you MF's. No need to be sensitive.
Miso	Posted - 2004.03.06 13:48:00 - [88] Edited by: Miso on 06/03/2004 13:50:25 Quote: For your information: Corp alts (note all these ppl re in MF): Omri: 2M skillpoints Shiver me timbers: 800k skillpoints (omri's alt) Schani: 5M+ skillpoints Naqq: 5M+ skillpoints Ska: 3-4M skillpoints Blaczulu: 4M skillpoints (Deathkiss alt) Dexter: 1M skillpoints Mathews: 2-3M skillpoints Bexxly: 4M+ skillpoints My alts: s0cks: 1.2M skillpoints Lindor: 3.2M skillpoints vyrus: 800k skillpoins (not used often) That will help start your list. As you can see all these chars are in MF. So go figure... Every person you have fought from MF is not a crappy alt either. Hell I bet you have some form of mining alt possibly. But everyone you have fought is FULL TIME MF. So even if they have 500k skillpoints, its their main char. We also have at least 4/5 members who have enuff skills to comfortably fly battleships. And many more with 3-4M skillpoints who can fly cruisers. Hardly anyone, and I mean anyone in the corp is some cheap and pathetic alt. I would have thought better from JF to start giving crappy false accusations about MF. You guys are the best fight we've had in ages. We've both lost ships, and had fun while doing so. This is just poor, sad, nonsense. Which has started to turn this war a bit sour. S0cks sometimes, like now you talk some utter crap. You are egotistical and a hypocrit. MF historically has encouraged people to create an alt and join the fun - those are your words from your previous recruitment posts. What else am I to think? TBH, I don't give a gnats fart about MF. My comments are directed in general. Since this has now disintegrated into the usual Eve kiddie flame fest, im out of this thread now. Argue amongst yourselves children. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.06 13:56:00 - [89] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/03/2004 14:03:39 Please don't be too sensitive on the "alt" thing Mercenary Frigates chaps ... I think there are two aspects to this: firstly, you must remember we do get war declared up by a lot of pure rubbish alt corps, and that does make us a little less understanding and receptive of the whole alt-dom thing. Fighting alt-corps as about as lame as its possible to get in eve combat. It means nothing, fighting against people that mean nothing, hence our chaps get sick of it to be honest, and we do prefer the whole spectrum of war where we get to blast indies and miners and support ships at the same time as defending our own and such. Hell's Angel's (typified by that fellow who posted some trite nonsense just now) are examples of the dullest Alt-corps imaginable. They war-dec, and then station camp and talk smack in local. What a yawner! For the record we are fairly convinced they are Pheonix Alliance alts (probably CDI) given their employment histories and mannerisms (and the fact that Krullz is prone to evemail me personal abuse whenever we do manage to blow them up!) Back to the Merc Frigates though, I think you are slightly being hoisted by your own recruiting petard chaps ... you do make a point of wanting "alts" for ganking without consequence etc. That does come across as being a bit cowardly to those of us that do fight exclusively with mains. I can certainly appreciate that you have well developed characters and such, but the whole recruiting boat loads of silly alts from cowardly main characters with grudges (and no guts) from elsewhere does rankle just a little. Have you considered perhaps altering your advertising a little and becoming more of a tradition frigate-oriented war and mercenary corp and dropping the focus on "alts"? That would certainly be less jarring to read about perhaps. Still, at the end of the day please realise that when we are being super critical of alt-cowardice and numptydom there are reasons. We do have cowardly idiots declaring consequenceless "wars" on us all the time, and our people do get sick of it. As you have seen with your own eyes Jericho is very much "up for it" ... we love a fight, we love the thrill of combat, and we very much appreciate the chance to engage in various ship classes and styles of combat beyond the usual "alliance brand", battleship blob war. But we don't consider war to be simply a joke. In a war we want to cripple and break our opponents. We want to lay them to waste, scatter their ashes, listen to the lamentations of their women and children etc etc. We want to hunt down an enemy and bring them to their kness, smashing their resource base and nuking their industrial ships back to the preindustrial past. So you might understand that a conflict against a foe that exists merely as a convenient combat alt is something of an incomplete experience. Its fun surely, (as long as the enemy does come and fight) but without the ability to actually "win" (and that does require the comprehensive crushing of the enemy corp in the resource and logistics departments) it is ultimately a little pointless. Still, far be it from us to try and talk our way out of conflict. You have seen our response to war-decs first hand S0cks and you know that our favoured answer is cruise missiles and bloodshed! I do just wish that the alt-corps on our war list would slither off and pay weregild for the fake declarations as they clearly aren't prepared to actually fight. Anyway, hope this explains the mood of JF on the "alt-war" issue. Love and peace (in the ruins) *PS S0cks ... I have no alts that I use in game, when frigate fighting and dive bombing your cruisers its pure me ;)* JF Public Forum
Raymo	Posted - 2004.03.06 14:00:00 - [90] Quote: S0cks sometimes, like now you talk some utter crap. You are egotistical and a hypocrit. The pot calling the kettle black there tbh I can only presume if its not Mercanary Frigates, then it is our corp you think are alts. I think thats kinda rude tbh , id of rather been called a noob. Actualy i used to play a while ago but i quit, now im back again. But i dunno who else is at war with you so i dont know, is it us you think are alts?, since you havn't exactly made clear who it is other than my other clan member ****.

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