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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:56:00 -
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 Originally by: The Passenger
You win, I have better things to do than argue with a forum troll
I think that you fit the profile a lot better.
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I guess the pioneers of techno are a bad place to start listening
The people you posted have nothing whatsoever to do with techno, never mind being pioneers.
You should try and understand what techno, trance, minimal and other genres of EDM are, before calling EDM techno. Not that you are interested in becoming smarter.
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:03:00 -
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I agree with Ryysa. It can be pretty annoying to see one genre of music get swamped by another (lesser genre) and loose its individuality because people cant tell the difference or refuse to acknowledge them. The boundaries need to be preserved.
For some good psy/goa trance I recommend listening to Hallucinogen, Juno Reactor, Eat Static, Astral Projection, etc. Compare this to 'commercial club trance' and the differences are obvious.
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:06:00 -
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Some good trance artists/aliases (in no particular order):
Airbase
First State
Aly & Fila
John O'Callaghan
Lost Witness
Sunny Lax
Re:Locate
Kyau & Albert
York
Orjan
Gareth Emery
Simon Patterson
Andy Moor
Mike/Push
Duderstadt
The Digital Blonde
Vincent De Moor
Activa
Hydroid
Joop
Maor Levi
Luminary
Blake Jarrell
Signalrunners
Jose Amnesia
DJ Shah
Matt Darey (Li Kwan)
Solar Factor
Markus Schulz
Elevation
This is just off the top of my head, can probably edit this list more later.
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ISD Valorem
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:07:00 -
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Guys and Girls,
Please keep this thread civil. If you disagree with others choices or definitions of music types just be nice about it 
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Dark Shikari
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Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/11/2007 15:27:27
I would make the suggestion that people listen to Ryysa, because he likely knows more about the topic than you 
There is nothing wrong with listening to dance/house/club/whatever; what's wrong is calling it what it isn't.
Of course trance can both be interpreted as a very wide ranging genre and a very small genre. If you go by Ryysa's view, most of the branchoff genres from trance are indeed not trance at all. On the other hand, one could declare everything from epic trance to goa to hardtrance to "housey trance" to eurodance to be part of trance, and while all are definitely influenced by trance, it basically dilutes the meaning of the word "trance" by applying it as a label to anything with trance-style synths.
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Darteis Elosia
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:56:00 -
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Adam beyer is good techno.
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.16 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Of course, if you like it sugarcoated, nothing's better than a good dose of happy hardcore 
At least it does not attempt to pretend that it is not cheesy :D
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Rheinkraft
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Posted - 2007.11.16 18:26:00 -
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I see that you know what you are talking about Ryysa (to a degree) but come on this is a online space game forum, how many people do you think actually know the diffrence between minimal, scranz or detroit techno??? or even the diffrence between trance and techno?? and if you think that Umek or Dave Clarke is not techno then that clearly shows how much you know about the subject.
Please do not quote other peoples recomendations, so what if they dont know the diffrence.. the op might like there suggestions...
Your first post was fine but after that you clearly show that you think your **** doesnt stink and then went on to ruin the entire thread 
I would say that no one take advice from you after the way you posted on this thread.
And to the op, I hope you find the style you are looking for, all to our own you will know it when you find it
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Multras
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Posted - 2007.11.16 19:37:00 -
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How can anyone honestly listen to happy hardcore and like it O.O
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Yao Shiu
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Posted - 2007.11.16 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Yao Shiu on 16/11/2007 22:44:29
if you want to get a feel for some electronic music you could try the online radio1 streams...
not techno as such but I listen to
Annie Mac - electronic party music I suppose, a bit cheesy sometimes)
Rob Da Bank- electro & leftfield (also things like twisted folk and other goodies...) wierd, but good.
Mary Anne Hobbs experimental dubstep and break beat etc... and she has a damn sexy voice
for the more old trance / dance stuff you'd be best listening to some of the other DJ's here, like pete tong or judge jules, but i'm not really into that so much.
actually, the stuff I listed really isnt techno, but it is good electro music
oh and someone said electronica was pretentious earlier... I think it's supposed to be
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.17 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Multras
How can anyone honestly listen to happy hardcore and like it O.O
It is like willingly bending over and taking it. You have to be special.
Nah, just kidding, happy hardcore is fun every now and then, when you need to kill your brain :)
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Azure Skyclad
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.17 06:35:00 -
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Ishkur's page was fun. Listening to some of that stuff brought back some very fond memories
Didn't agree with all of it but it's as good as any.
BTW, Referring the Ritchie Hawtin (as Plastikman), Jeff Mills and Dave Clarke as techno isn't far enough wrong for you to jump all over it Ryysa. The best? Open to opinion, i agree on that much.
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Mike Atropos
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Posted - 2007.11.17 09:52:00 -
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Juno Reactor.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.11.17 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: The Passenger
If you want to hear the best in Techno look for mixes by:
Surgeon
Ritchie Hawtin
Jeff Mills
Trentemoller
Umek
Dave Clarke
lol, you don't even know the difference between trance, techno and minimal, and you pretend to know what is "the best" ?
Excuse me... lol
Le sigh  .
This is why we can't have nice threads.
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Raoul Endymion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 14:16:00 -
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Linkage
beats all that cheasy stuff posted untill now...
mainly psychedelic trance but also progressive, minimal and fullon goodies..
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Raoul Endymion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 14:45:00 -
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My alltime favorite Tracks :
cosmosis - gift of the gods
disco volante - moonraker (man with no name rmx)
Shakta Lepton Head (Deedrah Remix)
power source - goaway
man with no name - lunar cycle
bypass unit - tunnel flotation
x-dream - the second room
infernal machine - the lion sleeps tonight
paps - vipes from the other side
the delta - as a child i could walk on the ceiling
x-dream - thorazin
man with no name - teleport
x-dream - freak
cydonia - animals
GMS - Juice
UX - Chameleon (Pixlemorph rmx)
sphongle - divine moments of truth
electric universe - lunar overdrive
jana - breathing ocean
koxbox - fuel on
oforia - maximaizer
electric univese - astral voyage
koxbox - electronic brainwash
electric universe - one love
amanite fx - alphaway
man with no name - floor-essence (dayglo rmx)
parasense - noodle doodle
tristan - dark city
1200 mics - 1200 mics
1200 mics - Acid for Nothing
Transwave - Land od Freedom (Live Mix 2006)
- forever psychedelic -
/Raoul
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad
BTW, Referring the Ritchie Hawtin (as Plastikman), Jeff Mills and Dave Clarke as techno isn't far enough wrong for you to jump all over it Ryysa.
Oh dear, please do learn the definitions.
Next thing you'll say that referring to DnB as Techno is right also, it is according to you right?
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
This is why we can't have nice threads.
+1 for flamebait
-10 for content
Trolling with pointless posts is fun, isn't it? :)
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Rheinkraft
D00M.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:40:00 -
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Ryysa please pull the stick out of your ass, you post in this thread like your the only one that knows anything about this subject.
Who cares if people dont know the difference between minimal techno, detroit techno or schranz, infact theres not many people that even know the difference between techno and trance but again who cares?
The op wants suggestions and thats what hes getting so yea stop jumping on people and deflate that huge mellon of yours
And if umek or dave clarke is not techno then I must have a 18" hampton.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.11.17 18:29:00 -
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Wow. I know alot of trance/techno/minimal artists and tracks, but there's so much stuff in that area that i still know squat about, so i'll just shut up =P I just like listening to it, regardless of what you call it, where it originated and who ripped it off.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.11.17 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Sokratesz
trentemoller (minimal)
Nice
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infected mushroom (psychedelic)
Nice again, bit too hyped though...
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cosmic gate ('regular'? lol)
Megacheese (all their newer stuff)
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tiesto (a few, not all. most of his older stuff is good, past few years been crap)
Past few years being crap is an understatement...
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yoji biomehanika (again, the older tracks > the newer ones)
Never really liked much of anything from this guy, however, opinion is subjective and I know plenty of people who did.
Woohoo she agrees with me. Although it is all a matter of taste, all i like of Cosmic Gate is their album 'no more sleep', i have heard some of their newer stuff but wasnt impressed, but NMS is so epic it makes up for all that. Same for Yoji, i like a few of his mixes (dancevalley: 'look at the heavens', 12minute song, goodgreef 3, cd, mix) but i know nor care for any of his other stuff.
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Azure Skyclad
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.17 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
This is why we can't have nice threads.
+1 for flamebait
-10 for content
Trolling with pointless posts is fun, isn't it? :)
Ironyometer broke.
Dave Clarke (to point out 1 of many)
Apologies to Dave as he hates being pigeon-holed into a genre anyway.
Check the genre here
....and here.
...and one more for the hell of it.
My point being Ryysa old chum, sticking to a rigid definitions in something so nebulous as EDM is like building a house on shifting sands. It's a bad habit to fall into and subject to the whimsy of the press, word of mouth and current musical fashion. However, if walking into your local record store with a head full of definitions lets you browse the right rack for your "top choons" then go right ahead. Enjoy yourself.
When i used to still buy records i had only 2 criteria: The ones i liked and the ones i didn't. They are the only 2 definitions which count ultimately.
BTW, checked out the mixes on your page. Decent stuff.
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.17 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 17/11/2007 20:02:45
Originally by: Rheinkraft
Ryysa please pull the stick out of your ass, you post in this thread like your the only one that knows anything about this subject.
It's spelled "you're" btw ;)
Oh and, no, I am not the only one who knows anything about this subject, just some people here pretend that they know something about the subject, while they clearly have no clue.
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Who cares if people dont know the difference between minimal techno, detroit techno or schranz, infact theres not many people that even know the difference between techno and trance but again who cares?
I do care when someone asks for decent music and gets commercial crap slammed in his face.
I also have a slight problem with people stating what is "the best" when they do not know anything about a certain subject.
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The op wants suggestions and thats what hes getting so yea stop jumping on people and deflate that huge mellon of yours
You see, if you want to hear megacheese, you can go out to some 90's club and listen to it... or watch MTV, and pretend you know things about EDM.
Real EDM enthusiasts are kind of annoyed at people slamming their commercially produced crap into everyone's face.
But the state of modern music is another discussion entirely.
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And if umek or dave clarke is not techno then I must have a 18" hampton.
I did not check all, just saw a couple others in his post that weren't, and he randomly stamped all the producers in his post as techno, whereas they aren't.
I might as well have said that trentemoeller is a dnb producer, get my point?
Sure, probably should have checked his entire list before writing the last comment, no point to edit it now though.
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My point being Ryysa old chum, sticking to a rigid definitions in something so nebulous as EDM is like building a house on shifting sands. It's a bad habit to fall into and subject to the whimsy of the press, word of mouth and current musical fashion.
Agree, however terms should be used properly. If you want to talk about EDM in general, you say EDM, you don't call EDM trance or techno or whatever else, as that's plain wrong. Kinda the same as referring to all mammals as humans.
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However, if walking into your local record store with a head full of definitions lets you browse the right rack for your "top choons" then go right ahead. Enjoy yourself.
Dunno about the place you live, but around here, the only things that local record stores have, are commercial cheesy tracks.
Places like Audiojelly, trackitdown and beatport are a magnitude more useful.
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hen i used to still buy records i had only 2 criteria: The ones i liked and the ones i didn't. They are the only 2 definitions which count ultimately.
This is a different classification. Anyhow, DS perfectly summed up what I think was wrong with this thread.
If you disagree with it, that's your problem.
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Azure Skyclad
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.17 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
It's spelled "you're" btw ;)
He had it right i'm afraid. Given you may not be a native english speaker then it's an easy mistake to make. English is a bugger in that regard. "You're" is a contraction of "You are"
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Agree, however terms should be used properly. If you want to talk about EDM in general, you say EDM, you don't call EDM trance or techno or whatever else, as that's plain wrong. Kinda the same as referring to all mammals as humans.
Agree with you here. 
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Dunno about the place you live, but around here, the only things that local record stores have, are commercial cheesy tracks.
We still have a couple of specialist stores in Sheffield (UK) which sell vinyl. Dying breed sadly.
I remember when i first moved to Sheffield and walked into Warp Records. It was like entering a holy place! 
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This is a different classification. Anyhow, DS perfectly summed up what I think was wrong with this thread.
If you disagree with it, that's your problem, since in that case you classify EDM differently than the majority of EDM communities I frequent - which is fine if you prefer to have your own view on things.
No strong disagreement with you or DS here. I'm just against rigid definitions in general and in particular with EDM. A genre of music which forces it's community to throw up a new label every 5 minutes suggests to me it is intrinsically hard to define. In my experience, the use of rigid definitions in EDM tended to produce elitists and cliques. Something which was very sad to witness given the origins of the genre always seemed to be about the polar opposite.
To quote Jesse Jackson sampled in Primal Scream's "Come Together" (specifically the Andy Wetherall remix)
This is a beautiful day
It is a new day
We are together, we are unified
And all for the cause
Because together we got power
Apart we got power
Today on this program you will hear gospel,
And rhythm and blues, and jazz
All those are just labels
We know that music is music
Great days.
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.17 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 17/11/2007 22:42:01
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Originally by: Ryysa
It's spelled "you're" btw ;)
He had it right i'm afraid. Given you may not be a native english speaker then it's an easy mistake to make. English is a bugger in that regard. "You're" is a contraction of "You are"
Your is posessive - Your car, your boat. Clearly, what was meant in that sentence was "you are". But let's not argue about grammar semantics, I just used it as a catch line.
Other than that, nice post, and very nice quote
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edane
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.18 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: edane on 18/11/2007 01:06:24
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 14/11/2007 15:30:44
I suggest you download some of Ryysa's trance mixes, especially Monday Morning, Seasons, Beautiful Day, etc; they're very well-done.
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in Ryysa's "Monday Morning" mix that starts at 24:24 and goes till 26:49?
Thanks! Who knew people could get so angry about music O.o!
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 18/11/2007 05:55:30
A friend of mine gave me some stuff by Armin van Buren the other day which I quite like. Not sure if it's called house, trance or whatever, I don't really care whether music falls into category A or infinitesimally slight different category B, but the op can google him to his heart's desire
That ishkur's guide is great though- never seen it before, listening to some great samples, and learning a bit too (even though the person who made it comes across as a pretentious ****er sometimes)
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Rheinkraft
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Posted - 2007.11.18 11:16:00 -
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I agree with you azure, Im oldschool when it comes to dance music and have about 14 years of experience behind me. I remember buying my first vinyl from a shop in Canterbury kent Liquid - Sweet Harmony and my love for dance music grew from then.
I was there when the scene started in the late 80's and I was there when it fell apart in the mid 90's. The golden years of trance for me was 1997 and 1998 when tracks like Three Drives - Greece 2000 and Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar stormed dance floors, I have never had the rush like I had then.
Its sad to see vinyl dying the way it is, Nothing beats the feeling of putting two vinyls together infront of crowds of people and the buzz is awsome. I was the resident dj @ The Beach in Kent for several years but after the pressure to play chart and release was put on me and many other dj's by the parent company it was time to hang up the decks.
I still buy some vinyl mainly M.I.K.E. and Andy Moor but there are so many genres out there now that i just cant be botherd.
As for you Ryysa you may be good at what you do but the way you have posted in this thread just goes to show me what a arrogant, pompous tosser you really are and for that reason I would not recomend you.
Quote me all you like but one thing remains the same, when I was part of the scene you were still wearing nappies.
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Rheinkraft
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 11:33:00 -
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Sorry if the above seem's abit harsh but yes Im passionate about dance music and yes I get annoyed when people get it wrong. But put simply this is not the place to jump on people for getting it wrong. the op might like cheese.... or he might like some really underground style techno... who knows?
Let's just keep it civil and share each others opinions.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.18 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 18/11/2007 13:16:43
Originally by: Rheinkraft
As for you Ryysa you may be good at what you do but the way you have posted in this thread just goes to show me what a arrogant, pompous tosser you really are and for that reason I would not recomend you.
Just because you say so.
Or perhaps I don't like bull**** discussions in uber polite ways and like to get things done in life, and get my point accross.
Who knows.
But it seems for you, when you run out of arguments, your best idea is to resort to personal attacks.
Ever heard of PLUR? That's what EDM is about, and you, with your attitude and personal attacks are a hater who by definition has not ever belonged to the scene.
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Quote me all you like but one thing remains the same, when I was part of the scene you were still wearing nappies.
This made me laugh, I listen to EDM for 12 years now.
You fail. And if you are oh so good, could I have some stuff that you have mixed, as comparison?
Originally by: edane
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in Ryysa's "Monday Morning" mix that starts at 24:24 and goes till 26:49?
You can easily find out any of the names by yourself. Read this tutorial that I wrote about cue files.
There are cue files available for each of the mixes, so it should help you find out the name of any track in any of the mixes on the site.
That said, the track in question is Sunny Lax - M.I.R.A.
Originally by: Gojyu
A friend of mine gave me some stuff by Armin van Buren the other day which I quite like. Not sure if it's called house, trance or whatever, I don't really care whether music falls into category A or infinitesimally slight different category B, but the op can google him to his heart's desire
AvB's ASOT is definitely trance ;) And while ASOT is pretty good, I suggest also checking out GDJB and TATW if you are into radio shows.
His later productions are rather cheesy though, most people in trance scene don't like them much.
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Ryysa
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Posted - 2007.11.18 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rheinkraft
You seem to have a answer to everything so tbh I cant be assed with it.
Studying debate and taking part in national competitions on debate is fairly helpful.
Also, I don't need your judgement, you are a random no one for me, so I couldn't care less what you think about me. You certainly seem to be of a very high opinion of yourself, while there is nothing you can back it up with.
But this silly argument has ran dry now.
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