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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.11.14 17:55:00 -
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So it has finally come to EVE, elections. You will need to get campaign funds, meet with lobbyists and interest groups, and then go on tour and kiss babies to get a seat in the new Council of Stellar Management (CSM). So far there have been rumors, some interviews in the gaming media, a presentation at the Fanfest, but now you're getting the full story here in The Council of Stellar Management, a new Dev Blog by Xhagen.
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang
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Sabrin Kulu
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sabrin Kulu on 14/11/2007 18:04:38 Sounds very interesting, I haven't read the PDF yet but from the Dev blog i get the feeling that this is a way for the forum whiners to get what they want implemented? I am probably wrong of course, will get back to you on that one. Need to give the PDF a good going over :D
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:05:00 -
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hmmm tempting... :D -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
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Jolene Blaloc
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:05:00 -
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For those of us who never heard of this before, anyone care to explain what this is all about?
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Valator Uel
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:08:00 -
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Am I the only one who looked at the pictures before reading the article?
/me goes back to read -----------------------------------------------------
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Slash Harnet
Minmatar Industrial Services INC
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:13:00 -
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This is fantastic, and exactly what the community needs ATM.
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Valator Uel
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jolene Blaloc For those of us who never heard of this before, anyone care to explain what this is all about?
In very short terms, CCP is allowing us to vote for a council that will be able to influence and pass judgement on the state of EVE-Online (game features, politics, needed things, etc...). The final discision is always up to CCP but this helps get our ideas, whines, and hopes directly to CCP. -----------------------------------------------------
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Thundercat Doom
Minmatar Melissa Jumpclones INC
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:36:00 -
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Sounds very intersting and well thought out. Reading the PDF made me feel as if this could be the beginning of something big and fantastic for the Eve Universe, for the players. Cheers to CCP for making such a huge effort to make the players feel part of the development of Eve as a community. --------------------
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Quin Aquinas
Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:38:00 -
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my head hurts.. why don't we just elect a dictator and he can run everything..
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Salvis Tallan
Gallente The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:41:00 -
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Can you elaborate a bit on the CSM's ability to communicate with the CCP council? It says
Quote: Outside of the direct face-to-face meetings, group communications between the CSM and CCP is limited to no more than two times during the term. This compels Representatives to group important questions and concerns into a single inquiry that can be addressed at once, rather than piecemeal. The resource of time is limited for the members of both councils, and so this measure is necessary to keep the process moving forward as efficiently as possible. CCP will respond to questions within one week of receipt, but the ôcommunication counterö advances regardless of how many questions are included in the batch
What kind of questions does this cover, and is it per member of the CSM, or for the CSM in general? If a rep sends an email, or however this will work, containing 100+ questions, what happens? What if there is some unforseen event (such as a misconduct allegation for example), I assume the CSM will act to work between CCP and the players, will this 2 communication limit be waved for however long it takes to resolve that? Beyond needing clarification on that one part, I think that this is a good initiative. More communication between CCP and the players will work to solve alot of problems. ------
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 14/11/2007 18:41:51 Friends, Eveians, Spacemen, lend me your acoustic listening devices ...
Hmmm, this may take some effort.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Doug Gallespie
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:43:00 -
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Is CCP paying for the trip to Iceland? If not, it biases the system in favor of those who can afford to travel.
Oh, and is Locke, not Lock.
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Reticenti
The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Reticenti on 14/11/2007 18:46:52 sounds like it will help the current problem
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.14 18:58:00 -
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Should be an interesting read, and long.
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Minnow maught
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.11.14 19:31:00 -
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Will the minutes of the meetings between the CSM's and CCP be made public ?
As the CSM minutes will public and hence the player base will most likely know the topics for disccusion at ccp hq on a quarterly basis, it seems only just that these minutes are made public (within the guidelines of the NDA of course).
Either I have misread (quite possible) or there is nothing stated on how this will be handled.
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Shen Ra
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Posted - 2007.11.14 19:34:00 -
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I hereby place my vote for sale. Let the bidding begin at 50 mil. Winner gets the vote proxy transferred to them.
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Elise Masutra
M. Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.14 19:35:00 -
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Very interesting and i'm really looking foreward to it. One question: Are there more detailed rules about the voting of the CSM? If there is a majority ov abstains, does that count as passed or defeated?
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.14 19:42:00 -
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"I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords"
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CEO Saffron
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Posted - 2007.11.14 19:52:00 -
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It seems like a very poor idea (queue the kiss up flames).
Here is why. At the moment the forums represent the views of the community, a council will obviously be 'elected' by pressure groups. This means you are likely to have eve being shaped by large self intrested bodies you can guarentee a representitive from the larger alliances for example.
The reason for this election is simple... It doesnt help joe bloggs eve player as this will be nothing more than a popularity contest ...
CCP have put this forward for one purpose... because its easier to MANAGE a council than the community. I prefer a system where EVERYONES opinion carries weight.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:19:00 -
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Mmmmm, kissing hands and shaking babies sounds more fun!
Here I am, casting my very first ballot in EVE.... No Goons on the council! Nothing personal guys, but you have clearly shown that you don't really have the betterment of the EVE community at heart.
So... Chribba, DS, and 7 others, eh?
Now Recruiting. Click sig for details!
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serbian evilboy
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: serbian evilboy on 14/11/2007 20:33:47 Goons tell members to vote for the stone at the bottom of my hill, stone becomes representative.
Replace Stone with some random goon member.
I would place Chribba, Torn Soul, Ray McCormack and a few others that don't come to mind right now.
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: CEO Saffron At the moment the forums represent the views of the community,
The forum represents the people who spend a lot of their time on the forum. Nothing more. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:46:00 -
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Having read the document in its current form, I am looking forward to the final version... As others have mentioned, some of the particulars need to be ironed out, but this is a step in another direction that I think no other game has ever tried to take, nor could they... a testament to the power of Eve as it has been created by CCP, and made by the community at large.
Who would have thunk it, Real life like politics in a Game... --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:49:00 -
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Excuse me for being cynical, but what's to stop a single - let's say 5000-boy alliance - from dominating the voting and turning this into griefing-in-space?
Eph.
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Sean Livingston
Gallente The Knights Templar Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Livingston on 14/11/2007 20:50:28 Edited by: Sean Livingston on 14/11/2007 20:49:57 So, I've read through the CSM white paper and I have to say, for the most part I am very impressed. In my opinion allowing more community interaction is ALWAYS a good idea.
The theory is definately sound, but I have to say that some points seem hazy after looking through the paper.Like, what areas should the council be focused on. I get that they're an intermediary between the community and CCP, but what sort of issues / changes should they be looking for?
I also found myself thinking that a CSM forum, although a great place to discuss final topics with the general population, would be better of if the topics were promoted from other forums in order to keep the CSM area 'Clean' and filled with legitimate ideas.
Otherwise, I have to say, I fully indorse this move and look forward to seeing what comes of it.
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Standing Bear
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.14 20:57:00 -
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This is an interesting concept to apply to a virtual world. I am looking forward to the application of the proposed process.
A question: Would staggering the term lengths of the Council members instead of 100% replacement every six months, provide a smoother process?? If the terms were staggered in thirds than some common knowledge would be carried forward with changes in Council membership. Or is the thought that a complete replacement would set clear timelines for the accomplishment of tasks?
ôThings derive their being and nature by mutual dependence and are nothing in themselvesö - Words of Ash Ock |
Sean Livingston
Gallente The Knights Templar Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.14 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Livingston on 14/11/2007 21:03:59
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Excuse me for being cynical, but what's to stop a single - let's say 5000-boy alliance - from dominating the voting and turning this into griefing-in-space?
Eph.
Single vote system. If every person has a vote the large alliances have to invest heavily in one (or two if they're large enough) candidates or risk spreading themselves to thin and not getting a single seat.
That aside, I got the idea that the CSM wont have the power to move many Alliance based issues, but may draw support from different interest groups instead. It may happen, but I doubt it'll be as common as you think.
Originally by: Standing Bear This is an interesting concept to apply to a virtual world. I am looking forward to the application of the proposed process.
A question: Would staggering the term lengths of the Council members instead of 100% replacement every six months, provide a smoother process?? If the terms were staggered in thirds than some common knowledge would be carried forward with changes in Council membership. Or is the thought that a complete replacement would set clear timelines for the accomplishment of tasks?
I believe it mentions that terms are set in order to bring fresh ideas with each new expansion cycle. I have to admit, your idea does have it's advantages though :)
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.14 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Excuse me for being cynical, but what's to stop a single - let's say 5000-boy alliance - from dominating the voting and turning this into griefing-in-space?
Eph.
If as the QEN states, there are 195,000 accounts, 5000 votes may not be enough to get someone elected... but your point is well taken in that you bring up the point that a huge block of players (say one of the mega-alliances) can in fact vote for and install a representative... as any large voting block should be able to do.
As the CSM Document states now, and may further reflect in it's final form, some candidates will be blocked due to their prior acts, other steps have and should be taken to limit the problem you have pointed out, like 1 vote per account, so that while your 5000 players all vote for 1 player, they are then not able to vote for anyone else... it will be up to us, the community, to insure we vote for those we think best represent us from those willing to run... and if enough of the independent players vote, a 5000 block of votes may not be enough to carry a given candidate into office...
--------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
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Elseer Radak
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.14 21:21:00 -
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Hi,
This is a great idea but it contains a significant flaw : The need to travel to Iceland and acquire lodging at one's own expense. Some means of paying for this needs to be thought out or the matter will effectively be open only to folks who leave in or near Iceland meaning Mostly Europe & Scandinavia. US, Canadian, Far Eastern Europe & Russian folks might be able to swing this for a few thousand dollars. I expect the cost to Asian, Australians etc will be quite a bit higher.
So some method of raising "campaign funds" needs to be arranged and perhaps locking those funds so their total caps out at the cost of the corporate airfare and lodging for that participant to visit these meetings.
Initially I thought that using ISK to raise these funs would be a great idea. However, that raises the issues of ISK having a real word value and thus attracting all sorts of ugly tax issues and possibly breaking the Eula. So it's likely real world monies would need to be used so care full thought on this matter is needed.
Next, travel to Iceland might be problematic for representative of certain in game power blocks see Who does not need a visa to enter Iceland as you can see the list countries, member of large alliances from China, Russia, The various old Soviet era states, etc are not on that list. Getting these players the needed documents could take some time and cause them to miss out on meetings.
This brings me to My second big issue: Language. One of the endearing properties of Eve is it's diverse population. Non-English speaking folks represent a significant portion of the Eve Population. Steps will be needed to address the issues around Language -- especially given the large groups of Russian, Asian German, Hungarian and probably several other major world languages each hold sway over major in game alliances. Some accommodations for these delicate issues will need to be made and done in a open and public fashion so each power block can feel empowered to appoint representatives of their interests. Otherwise, if accommodation cannot be made, fluency in English (or other language CCP could easily accommodate) should be an added characteristic to whatever person is represented to the council.
Elseer R.
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a Proud member of the Paxton Bowling league, frigate division.
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qantua gnartians
Gallente Bipolar Barnstorming
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Posted - 2007.11.14 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: qantua gnartians on 14/11/2007 21:23:57 Edited by: qantua gnartians on 14/11/2007 21:23:05 Besides the interesting politial theory something is missing and that is the original purpose of the councul as a watch dog towards actual collusion(as with the t20 incident).
As far as i can see the IA devission will not be answering to the new CSM, am i missing something or does this mean that we are getting something different then we were promised, back when the storm of the scandals were raging?
Did The oversight commission got turned into a overly complicated council of community trusted beta testers that CCP dont even have to listen to. --- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=636012 |
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