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Artemis Dragmire Deadspace Armada Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.11.15 06:25:00 - [1] Quote: in total there are 32,000 pilots with negative standings, but most of those have a standing between 0 and -0.1. So when do you count as a pirate? is difficult to infer that from security data alone, but to have a security status of -3 or lower actually requires considerable effort on behalf of the pilot. Hence it is possible to say that anyone at that level or lower counts as a pirate. Tthere are 4,200 pilots with a standing of -3 or worse, and only 32 pilots that have reached the perfect criminal score of -10. Interesting information. So it's proven by the numbers, if you are in an "Anti-pirate" alliance your alliance/corp is essentially "Anti-pvp". And people wonder why the pirate profession becomes so attractive. If only 32,000 pilots are neg sec status, that leaves almost 178,000 potential targets (taking numbers from the econ newsletter that lists the current active member count at around 200k) Just some interesting info that I thought I'd share. Discuss or flame at your leisure.
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.15 06:45:00 - [2] erm... surely if 32,000 people have neg sec status, that leaves er... approx 200k targets? or do you for some reason refuse to fire on people with -1.0 etc? _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.15 06:46:00 - [3] I'm one of 32! \o/ I hit my perfect -10 2 days ago! Drink up me 'earties yo ho! Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Leikeze Mrotserif coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.15 07:07:00 - [4] 'anti piracy' i suppose is more about the moral side than really going killcrazy on everything. pfft.. who needs morals. should hit 33 in a day or so tbh
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.15 07:11:00 - [5] Bree helps Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Artemis Dragmire Deadspace Armada Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.11.15 09:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Shiodome erm... surely if 32,000 people have neg sec status, that leaves er... approx 200k targets? or do you for some reason refuse to fire on people with -1.0 etc? I personally do not care what sec status my target is. I was just referring to the various corps and alliances that have such "rules" restricting pvp. Just thought some people would find the numbers interesting as I'm sure players do not read an "economic" newsletter.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.15 12:04:00 - [7] 3200 below -3.0, not 32000.
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.11.15 16:19:00 - [8] 0.0 pirates wouldn't have low sec statuses.
NightHaunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.15 19:01:00 - [9] Here is a newsflash, pirates don't have to have low security if they do things right.
Feterous Jolin V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.15 19:50:00 - [10] Originally by: NightHaunter Here is a newsflash, pirates don't have to have low security if they do things right. A) I like my -10 thx very much. B) Pirates concerned about sec status are not F'ing pirates... C) I can help provide you with a clue about what a pirate is if you would like. Plz bring a nice ship. IR piewat! YAY!
iiOs	Posted - 2007.11.15 20:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Feterous Jolin Originally by: NightHaunter Here is a newsflash, pirates don't have to have low security if they do things right. A) I like my -10 thx very much. B) Pirates concerned about sec status are not F'ing pirates... C) I can help provide you with a clue about what a pirate is if you would like. Plz bring a nice ship. IR piewat! YAY!
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.11.15 20:24:00 - [12] Quote: B) Pirates concerned about sec status are not F'ing pirates... It's not a concern about sec status, it's just that if you pirate in 0.0, your sec status will be fine. Therefore, those close to 5k pilots with the big negative sec status hits are all low sec pirates. How many 0.0 pirates are there? We have no idea, they don't show up in the report.
SloBones mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.15 20:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Ulstan It's not a concern about sec status, it's just that if you pirate in 0.0, your sec status will be fine. Therefore, those close to 5k pilots with the big negative sec status hits are all low sec pirates. How many 0.0 pirates are there? We have no idea, they don't show up in the report. He has it right so there are only 3200 low sec pirates. Sounds about right to me. I too am going to be at that good ol -10 status soon enough. Good to know I'll be in good company
Feterous Jolin V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.15 20:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: B) Pirates concerned about sec status are not F'ing pirates... It's not a concern about sec status, it's just that if you pirate in 0.0, your sec status will be fine. Therefore, those close to 5k pilots with the big negative sec status hits are all low sec pirates. How many 0.0 pirates are there? We have no idea, they don't show up in the report. You can roll your eyes or try and convince yourself that this discussion on piracy includes 0.0 gankers, but really low sec pirates and 0.0 pvpers/gankers are two seperate groups of people. While they are not mutually exclusive, they are still very different. My point is clearly in regards to low sec pirates...but yea, anyway...
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.11.15 22:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'm one of 32! \o/ I hit my perfect -10 2 days ago! Drink up me 'earties yo ho! I recently hit a perfect -10... Then I came across a domination bs in some carebear's mission. He got away but the faction spawn gave me a halo beta, and also ruined my perfect -10
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.11.15 22:18:00 - [16] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 15/11/2007 22:19:31 Originally by: Ulstan Quote: B) Pirates concerned about sec status are not F'ing pirates... It's not a concern about sec status, it's just that if you pirate in 0.0, your sec status will be fine. Therefore, those close to 5k pilots with the big negative sec status hits are all low sec pirates. How many 0.0 pirates are there? We have no idea, they don't show up in the report. There are almost no pirates in 0.0. What you have are privateers working at the behest of an alliance. True pirates do not answer to anyone- especially not some alliance commander uber-dork that is not aware he is in a game.
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.15 23:38:00 - [17] Occasionally, Anti-pirate = people that kill others in belts/gates under the pretext that their victim is a "pirate" or associated to a pirate. Victims often include haulers. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.16 02:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'm one of 32! \o/ I hit my perfect -10 2 days ago! Drink up me 'earties yo ho! in accurate figures as the ones in the dev blog was composed of older figures
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.16 02:30:00 - [19] Quit killing my buzz Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking "Villains, I say to you now... knock off all that evil!" ~The Tick
Alkeena Gallente Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.11.16 03:44:00 - [20] Most anti-pirate corps/alliances operate essentially NRDS, where red standing is predicated by being identified as a pirate corp. Being identified as a pirate corp usually arises out of a corp operating as NBSI in the anti-pie's area of operation and generally messing with peaceful neuts... There are a lot of NBSI corps/alliances, and so no shortage of targets. It's just a matter of you doing something to get shot, rather than being shot merely for existing. ~Alkeena
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 16/11/2007 08:09:17 Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 16/11/2007 08:08:22 Some of us are evil 0.0 pirates. We just go after different types of targets. Ravens in belts. Carriers playing the undock game at a station. How many low sec pirates have ever tried ransoming a 1000 man alliance by threatening to STAY in their space until the money shows up? Biggest difference between low sec and 0.0 is the numbers. I've never seen a 40 man gang engage a 100 man gang on a gate/station/pos in low sec. Happens daily in 0.0. Neither is better or superior. Just preference. . .. WELP! .. .
Shiodome Caldari Black Sea Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:14:00 - [22] on the other hand you don't get subject to the horrendously painful lagfest when local goes 250+, really starting to lose the love for 0.0 _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
PraetorNZ The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Feterous Jolin Originally by: NightHaunter Here is a newsflash, pirates don't have to have low security if they do things right. A) I like my -10 thx very much. B) Pirates concerned about sec status are not F'ing pirates... C) I can help provide you with a clue about what a pirate is if you would like. Plz bring a nice ship. IR piewat! YAY! sitting at a low sec with 5 of your mates ganking everything that comes through does not a pirate make. stop kidding yourself man. we constantly bring nice big fat carriers for you and your corp. you constantly run from these nice big fat ships that you are asking us to bring
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'm one of 32! \o/ I hit my perfect -10 2 days ago! Drink up me 'earties yo ho! someone in your gang should shout " FREIGHTER IN BELT VI help help help" then once you have warped in to assist, pop a rat frigate. SKUNK
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Leon 026 Occasionally, Anti-pirate = people that kill others in belts/gates under the pretext that their victim is a "pirate" or associated to a pirate. Victims often include haulers. That is almost always the case. Anti-pirates are simply deceptive and dishonorable pirate wanna-bes; they trick people into thinking they are safe around them and then comes the gank.

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