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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
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Posted - 2007.11.16 10:33:00 -
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Rocket kessies FTW. I love my kessies.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.11.16 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/11/2007 10:40:08
Originally by: Andrue My biggest gripe though is the rolling back and forth.
It's the best thing about the bloody Rifter, it rolls back and forth, don't *ever* touch that.
I fly Rifters a whole lot for piracy, with an average Rifter fit having a loss cost of just under 2M. With most of my flying solo, I find the Rifter being perfectly capable of taking care of almost any frig out there, as well as some cruisers (think webless cruisers). Also, noob cruisers & destroyers make decent targets as well, and the occasional interceptor. So far, I've got 112 kills with the Rifter vs 11 deaths while flying it. Can't wait till they fix up my home connection so I can do some more damage, basically ;)
While an AF could do all that (possibly more reliably), it can't really attack any extra targets (well, ok, it can deal with short-range inties better), costs a lot more (roughly 20M ship+fit instead of 2M), and on top of that, is significantly worse agility-wise (making it riskier to fly). Frig piloting is the most cost-effective way of pirating.
An AF is just not worth it compared to a T1 frig. If their mass was more in line with T1 frigs, I'd use them, but right now, something that costs 18M more and makes me more likely to die in low-sec gatecamps (while giving me virtually no extra target types) is basically silly to use. I expect to make ISK from piracy, not lose it.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat?
I'm a Rifter, *****.
(Said in the same tone as "I'm Rick James, *****".)
do you also rubb your feet on eddy murphys coach?:)
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.11.16 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Krazy Bitsch
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/11/2007 04:28:33 I have 22 million sp, and fly them in combat all th time. they are small fast and cheap. THe rifter for instance packs a punch, and out squad at MNTZ use them in 0.0 in packs of 8 to take down anyone we fine. battleships are no issue with the right team set up.
also ratting in 0.0 can be done. :)
19mil sp in combat skills. still haven't trained large projectiles lol
wtf is MNTZ?
get out of high sec and have a look
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.16 11:30:00 -
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I fly T1 frigs when I can't buy a shuttle, otherwise not.
Seriously, there is no reason to fly T1 frigs when you have skills to fly T2 ones effectively. If the Wolf is too slow, fly a Claw.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.11.16 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 16/11/2007 11:35:16 Stabber is almost a frigate, no?
Otherwise I fly a rifter sometimes, but not often. I keep an incursus fitted as well. I really would only get into a frig if I was trying to show some noob the ropes, and don't want to get a nice ship exploded because im trying to explain things to him- but a cruiser works just as good in that role.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: CCP Whisper I find that when station camping, a kestrel fitted with rocket launcher II's, two sensor booster II's and two ballistic control unit II's is a nice surprise for undocking war targets. It's like a miniature POS siege. Apart from that, I fly Kestrels and Rifters when part of 0.0 ops. They pack a good punch and are cheap to replace. And when interceptor hunting, I like my Firetail. Nothing like over 2000 shields on a frigate to make your opponent go "wtf?".
I bet people selfdestruct when they notice you have no body. Disturbing!
What does a man's disability have to do with anything?
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:08:00 -
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There are a few vids out there that demonstrate just how effective some of the tech 1 frigates can be, used properly. Especially the Rifter, but the Kestrel, Incursus and Punisher are all perfectly capable of taking on battlecruisers if they are flown tactically, and with a numerical advantage. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
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Hitman396
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:10:00 -
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<333 Rifters
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:16:00 -
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Probe - made me multi billionaire without any alt whatsoever.
then one day came t2 cargo expanders and the cute lil' bugger ended up with 780m¦ at 6au/s
<3
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/11/2007 12:45:24
Originally by: Lazuran I fly T1 frigs when I can't buy a shuttle, otherwise not.
Seriously, there is no reason to fly T1 frigs when you have skills to fly T2 ones effectively. If the Wolf is too slow, fly a Claw.
It shows your lack of understanding of basic pirate economics.
The Claw can't, in fact, significantly expand my selection of 'killable' ships - i.e. I still can't own a well-fitted PvP cruiser/BC with it. Due to a lack of web, it's in fact, less equipped to deal with certain ship types. It IS better then a AF, though, from the survivability standpoint.
I can, in fact, only kill the same target types which I can in a Rifter. However, a sensible Claw fit would cost me over 10M. Which means that whenever I'm going in combat, I'm risking at least five times as much ISK.
Which means (assuming I net the same amount of kills, which is not a very unrealistic assumption) I'd have to get killed five times less (having, instead of a 115:11 K/L ratio a 115:2 K/L ratio), which I don't believe flying a Claw would give me. Ergo, flying a Claw is (probably, I can't prove the sentence above) less profitable then flying a Rifter for low-sec piracy.
In the end, no amount of ISK can compensate for having to look at something as ugly as a Claw for hours. The first one I bought, I sold it five minutes later because I couldn't look at it anymore.
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L0st S0ul
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:40:00 -
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For combat(pvp)- yes
For PVE - no
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Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:46:00 -
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I hunt low sec in my rifter all the time. I'm probably at the point now where I'm skilled enough to upgrade to cruisers but my rifter just wont die
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.16 12:59:00 -
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All the time, frig gangs are fun and can surprise the hell out of some "bigger is better" newsletter subscribers.
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Van Steiza
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:18:00 -
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Goonswarm. I fly a Great Kestrel.
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Lord Bleu
MisFunk Inc. Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: d026
Originally by: CobraBytez exclusively
couldnt you do the same in a af or be of better use in a ceptor?
you'd think so, but sadly, sometimes being a wolf or jag isn't a good thing. they tank great, and I have assult ships 5. they only cost 10 mil to boot!
but they are slower, and heavy.
basicly, I have 3 jags, 4 wolfs, and 23 rifters. I have 3 bombers, and 2 covOps. I have 3 of each ceptor.
I also have 3 logtisics ships and about 4 recon ships. I have say.. 7 t1 cruisers?
but the rifter is a lot of fun to fly because it's so cheap and packs a punch without the cost. I use only tech 2 guns.
I use a rifter for L1-2 missions (just started doing missions)
Care you share your setup?
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:49:00 -
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A T1 frig swarm is cheap fun.
However, unless you are broke, or very very very prone to losing ships even when they are quick and in a swarm, I can see little reason to fly them if you have even a cheap ceptor available instead.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/11/2007 14:00:12
Originally by: Sha4d13 A T1 frig swarm is cheap fun.
However, unless you are broke, or very very very prone to losing ships even when they are quick and in a swarm, I can see little reason to fly them if you have even a cheap ceptor available instead.
Well, this: 1 Rifter+fit = 2M 1 Interceptor+fit = 13-15M
Since half of the times my Rifter actually dies it died because I landed in a trap or got jumped or was sacrificing my ship to save a mate's arse and not because I lost the fight, where a interceptor wouldn't have fared any better, but would've costed a lot more to lose.
Also, it's far more likely not to be taken seriously.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:04:00 -
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Thats hardly serious money- and you really ought not to lose a ceptor in a swarm of them very often unless you are foolish.
Hence my comment- "unless you are very broke... or prone to losing ships".
For most normal 0.0 pilots- I see no reason to fly a frig over a ceptor, unless its skills related, or in a big t1 swarm as a fun event.
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caladron prime
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:19:00 -
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I love my rifter(s). They are cheap, and very *****ble. I have a nice BP, and run them off in bunches to supply me and friends when needed. Ratted down to 0.0 (though that was dodgy, but more because of my skills) and when they pop, you just grab another. You can even outfit one w/ t2 stuff for less than what an AF would cost you.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sha4d13 Thats hardly serious money- and you really ought not to lose a ceptor in a swarm of them very often unless you are foolish.
Hence my comment- "unless you are very broke... or prone to losing ships".
For most normal 0.0 pilots- I see no reason to fly a frig over a ceptor, unless its skills related, or in a big t1 swarm as a fun event.
i just fly ceptors. they do comparable frig dps but are so much more comfortable to fly.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sha4d13 ...and you really ought not to lose a ceptor in a swarm of them very often unless you are foolish...
...For most normal 0.0 pilots- I see no reason to fly a frig over a ceptor...
I'm a low-sec pilot, which means that the frigate's agility will enable you to pass through any standard gatecamp (since I am flashing red, people could camp me with interceptors, but most people will rather bring along a extra BC/BS pilot to the camp). A AF's agility doesn't, so that rules AFs out.
As for interceptors, well, unlike many 0.0 entities, I fly solo or in small groups. Which means losing ships is a (relatively) common occurence, especially as most of the targets I attack are flying bigger ships which should (in theory) kill me. Of course, you attack because you strongly suspect they're noobs or don't know how to counter all I can do properly, or were too cheap to buy certain mods, but, basically, if you made a (severe) mistake in judgement or it's a trap or you get jumped, you've got a good probability of death.
Pirating solo in a small ship means you periodically die. So, at least I want that death to financially hurt as little as possible.
A T1 frig needs, on average, a single* kill to pay itself off, and everything after that is profit. A interceptor needs (since it will get the same type of kills and therefore equal ISK/kill) about six kills before to pay itself off, and everything after that is profit.
Since it's low-sec and while you're trying to pirate other people, they are trying to pirate you, you will eventually die, and flying a ceptor won't really save you (especially a short-range one). Unless you're flying a very fast long-range (and therefore, significantly more expensive) interceptor I wouldn't count on a short-range ceptor surviving more then a dozen kills.
I feel I just make much more ISK with a Rifter, thank you.
*I'm not sure of the average value of the loot from my Rifter kills, but I could probably safely say '2M' - fact of the matter is that a good number of kills yields less loot and a small number yields far, far more.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:54:00 -
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I love my Rifter. Solid little spanking machine.
But don't overlook the Kestrel, as long as you wait for it to catch up.
Super little tank & long range rockets = dead tacklers before they realize they'll die before they get into tackle range. Does very well against 'dictors, too, if they're not freakishly speed-tanked. http://www.voogru.com/images/signature/farmers.jpg |
Trazec
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:06:00 -
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Although I haven't done so in a while now, I really like flying in lowsec with my T2-fitted Incursus. It's cheap, fast and maneuverable. I can solo two NPC battlecruisers without getting hit, it's easy as hell.
So yes, I use them. And I daresay I like it better than droning an army of cruisers with my Domi. Just isn't much fun.
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Stakhanov on 16/11/2007 15:27:22 I used to fly T1 frigates a lot - incursus and rifter for early piracy , imicus for probing , maulus for frigate gangs , even slasher for tackling. Problem is , T2 makes most of them redundant. Sure , the helios isn't quite as good at killing people as the imicus - but if it's defenseless (or at least comfortably damped) the single hobgoblin will do the job eventually
Electronic Attack Frigates will make the T1 ewar frigs 100% redundant. Cheap and with the same slots as a covops , but more ewar bonus.
Atron & slasher just aren't good enough compared to interceptors (any kind) even for basic tackling duty. The only possible role is for a trap , when your target is scared of T2 ships or if you just don't have any inty / covops available in that region.
Punisher & rifter are the only T1 frigates with a T2 proof niche (mostly because they're the best) and entice possible targets to fight more than assault frigates that radiate pimpness on scanner. A punisher can take its chances to engage a noob BS ; an AF takes lots more risks if it has to come in web range. 1m loss vs 20m loss. Which is why T1 frigates can affort to engage more targets.
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:27:00 -
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I make regular use of the Rifter
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:28:00 -
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oh and rocket Inquisitors.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov A punisher can take its chances to engage a noob BS ;
lol show me the killmail:)
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: d026
Originally by: Stakhanov A punisher can take its chances to engage a noob BS ;
lol show me the killmail:)
Punishers are tough little bastards. I improperly fit a Tempest once in my mining days. He couldn't kill me, but I just couldn't kill him. I came back in a Hawk and tore him in half, but yeah. Moral of the story- The cake is a lie.
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Arvald
Caldari Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:10:00 -
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I friggin love flying frigates in pvp, good cheap fun, but ive recently gotten into a blaster harpy and its even MORE fun then flying a t1 frig, able to blow away a cruser fairly quickly and luckly i have the isk to replace it a few times --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.16 17:12:00 -
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way back i used to fly frigates in pvp all the time my favourites were rifter , kestrel , tristan
but honestly i wish i could go back to the good' ol days of 04-05 with what i know now !
right now as the game stands if i wanted to fly cheap and fun i would use a vexor or a stabber signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
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