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d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:23:00 - [1] The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:26:00 - [2] Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/11/2007 04:28:33 I have 22 million sp, and fly them in combat all th time. they are small fast and cheap. THe rifter for instance packs a punch, and out squad at MNTZ use them in 0.0 in packs of 8 to take down anyone we fine. battleships are no issue with the right team set up. also ratting in 0.0 can be done. :) 19mil sp in combat skills. still haven't trained large projectiles lol Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
CobraBytez GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:32:00 - [3] exclusively
Krazy Bitsch	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:33:00 - [4] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/11/2007 04:28:33 I have 22 million sp, and fly them in combat all th time. they are small fast and cheap. THe rifter for instance packs a punch, and out squad at MNTZ use them in 0.0 in packs of 8 to take down anyone we fine. battleships are no issue with the right team set up. also ratting in 0.0 can be done. :) 19mil sp in combat skills. still haven't trained large projectiles lol wtf is MNTZ?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:36:00 - [5] Originally by: CobraBytez exclusively couldnt you do the same in a af or be of better use in a ceptor?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:41:00 - [6] Originally by: d026 Originally by: CobraBytez exclusively couldnt you do the same in a af or be of better use in a ceptor? you'd think so, but sadly, sometimes being a wolf or jag isn't a good thing. they tank great, and I have assult ships 5. they only cost 10 mil to boot! but they are slower, and heavy. basicly, I have 3 jags, 4 wolfs, and 23 rifters. I have 3 bombers, and 2 covOps. I have 3 of each ceptor. I also have 3 logtisics ships and about 4 recon ships. I have say.. 7 t1 cruisers? but the rifter is a lot of fun to fly because it's so cheap and packs a punch without the cost. I use only tech 2 guns. Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Vladimir Antlerkov GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Vladimir Antlerkov on 16/11/2007 04:41:56 I fly Breachers exclusively. Originally by: d026 af what do you mean this hawk has more mass than that flycatcher
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:41:00 - [8] They're great for people like me that can't pvp worth a damn. Same adrenalin rush, almost no hit to the wallet. Incursus and Rifters are fun as hell. __________________________________________________ Originally by: Rells This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life.
LogixCraft Gallente Insidious Existence	Posted - 2007.11.16 04:49:00 - [9] my 30mil atron breaks 6km/s and I fly it all the time, among other frigs. I love them, and having an atron appear on a km is classic. ----------------------------- [ 2007.09.19 20:30:54 ] (combat) My Cat strikes you perfectly wrecking for Claws and Screams.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.11.16 06:43:00 - [10] I love my Rifter. Well, my third Rifter. . . wait, that one got blown up too. . . Rifters are fun, and dirt cheap to lose. Even when mildly pimped. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Scav Silver Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 07:05:00 - [11] Edited by: Scav Silver on 16/11/2007 07:06:46 Executioner.. For Fun.. PS (Rarely though :( ) á ----------------------------------------------------------- "Scav est procul Porta!!" -=Pimary=- "Tonight you dine in....BKG?" -=Ashemi Darkhold=-
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.16 07:20:00 - [12] Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat? Ka-tet ran a frig op for a bit of a laugh against frege during our war with em on a drunken friday night. We ended up getting around 10 bs, about the same in hacs/recons etc and a host of support for the loss of around 6-10 t1 frigs. We did have a couple of t2 frigs with us but they were the exception not the rule. It was really good fun and quite effective. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.16 07:29:00 - [13] I fly rifters and punishers a lot, they are a lot of funs
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt	Posted - 2007.11.16 07:57:00 - [14] <3 my Punisher but that's because they're the best frig Amarr has, that includes the T2 versions. Retribution is laughable as it has only 1 midslot, Vengeance is just meh and can't tank and it's range is beyond crap. Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Oniko Sengir The Illuminati.	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:16:00 - [15] The Bantam is a strong and sturdy craft
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:25:00 - [16] I fly both tech 1 frigates and destroyers in combat regularly.
Foppemoa Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:29:00 - [17] The Merlin is a great little tackling ship -------------------------------------------- Originally by: GLaDOS "But there is no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying until you run out of cake"
OrokuSaki	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:39:00 - [18] griffin kessie rifter all very good ships, used in the right way you can get far. BS's are overestimated tbh

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:42:00 - [19] Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat? I'm a Rifter, ***. (Said in the same tone as "I'm Rick James, **".) Executive Producer* EVE Online

Liam Liam	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:50:00 - [20] me but I'm amarr and fly minmitar T1 frigs Vigil goes as fast as my amarr interceptor and has less fitting probs and more cap
Acinonyx Jubatus Minmatar International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:24:00 - [21] Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 16/11/2007 09:24:28 tackler oriented frigs are cheap suicidal ways to get a point onto something, and when I say cheap, I mean cheap... just don't expect much more then that. I like the incursus in suicidal tackle setups, cheap, does decent dps, can carry a rep drone, full tackle. I love the breacher over the rifter, because it's like flying a hound, except it lacks a cloak, lacks same punch, but if it dies, you're only down 500-600kish if you fit it cheapish, versus a 35ish mill. Warping 2-3+ times in some systems I could do without.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:31:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat? I'm a Rifter, ***. (Said in the same tone as "I'm Rick James, **".) srsly? Proud nublet of more public ISK than CAP4U - The Plan
Oron	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:34:00 - [23] I fly many Vigil, Rifter and Kestrel. Great ships! :)

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:44:00 - [24] I find that when station camping, a kestrel fitted with rocket launcher II's, two sensor booster II's and two ballistic control unit II's is a nice surprise for undocking war targets. It's like a miniature POS siege. Apart from that, I fly Kestrels and Rifters when part of 0.0 ops. They pack a good punch and are cheap to replace. And when interceptor hunting, I like my Firetail. Nothing like over 2000 shields on a frigate to make your opponent go "wtf?".

LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:48:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Whisper I find that when station camping, a kestrel fitted with rocket launcher II's, two sensor booster II's and two ballistic control unit II's is a nice surprise for undocking war targets. It's like a miniature POS siege. Apart from that, I fly Kestrels and Rifters when part of 0.0 ops. They pack a good punch and are cheap to replace. And when interceptor hunting, I like my Firetail. Nothing like over 2000 shields on a frigate to make your opponent go "wtf?". I bet people selfdestruct when they notice you have no body. Disturbing! Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:51:00 - [26] Edited by: Andrue on 16/11/2007 09:52:08 Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat? I'm a Rifter, ***. (Said in the same tone as "I'm Rick James, *".) I was flying one of those in my alt recently. Annoying to fit out properly (half a dozen possibilities where 'possible' is defined as "If only I had another 0.25 CPU or grid ) but seemed a capable ship. My biggest gripe though is the rolling back and forth. Is it a secret weapon designed to induce nausea? If so my rifter must not have had the pilot filters fitted to it -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.**
Foppemoa Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.16 09:56:00 - [27] Tried the Kestrel but didn't really like it: The cap is too low. Happened more then once that the cap drained completely while warping with the fleet, so i had to wait a while before i could catch up again :/ Merlin is nice. More cap and one extra midslot for some extra goodies :D -------------------------------------------- Originally by: GLaDOS "But there is no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying until you run out of cake"
Kaakao Insidious Existence	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:08:00 - [28] One of my first 0.0 kills was a vagabond trying to kill ratters. Tackled him in a kestrel and the ratter bs's popped him before he got me down. Fairly sure he did a mistake or two not killing me and not warping out earlier. ---- wtb signature
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:10:00 - [29] i use my firetail as a 0,0 shuttle all the time
The Herrick Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:10:00 - [30] Yeah I like T1 frigs but then again I can't actually fly much else considering I rerolled as this character and am still on trial time.
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:33:00 - [31] Rocket kessies FTW. I love my kessies. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:39:00 - [32] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/11/2007 10:40:08 Originally by: Andrue My biggest gripe though is the rolling back and forth. It's the best thing about the bloody Rifter, it rolls back and forth, don't ever touch that. I fly Rifters a whole lot for piracy, with an average Rifter fit having a loss cost of just under 2M. With most of my flying solo, I find the Rifter being perfectly capable of taking care of almost any frig out there, as well as some cruisers (think webless cruisers). Also, noob cruisers & destroyers make decent targets as well, and the occasional interceptor. So far, I've got 112 kills with the Rifter vs 11 deaths while flying it. Can't wait till they fix up my home connection so I can do some more damage, basically ;) While an AF could do all that (possibly more reliably), it can't really attack any extra targets (well, ok, it can deal with short-range inties better), costs a lot more (roughly 20M ship+fit instead of 2M), and on top of that, is significantly worse agility-wise (making it riskier to fly). Frig piloting is the most cost-effective way of pirating. An AF is just not worth it compared to a T1 frig. If their mass was more in line with T1 frigs, I'd use them, but right now, something that costs 18M more and makes me more likely to die in low-sec gatecamps (while giving me virtually no extra target types) is basically silly to use. I expect to make ISK from piracy, not lose it.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:16:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Anybody realy flying them into combat? I'm a Rifter, ***. (Said in the same tone as "I'm Rick James, ***".) do you also rubb your feet on eddy murphys coach?:)
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Krazy Bitsch Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/11/2007 04:28:33 I have 22 million sp, and fly them in combat all th time. they are small fast and cheap. THe rifter for instance packs a punch, and out squad at MNTZ use them in 0.0 in packs of 8 to take down anyone we fine. battleships are no issue with the right team set up. also ratting in 0.0 can be done. :) 19mil sp in combat skills. still haven't trained large projectiles lol wtf is MNTZ? get out of high sec and have a look
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:30:00 - [35] I fly T1 frigs when I can't buy a shuttle, otherwise not. Seriously, there is no reason to fly T1 frigs when you have skills to fly T2 ones effectively. If the Wolf is too slow, fly a Claw. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:32:00 - [36] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 16/11/2007 11:35:16 Stabber is almost a frigate, no? Otherwise I fly a rifter sometimes, but not often. I keep an incursus fitted as well. I really would only get into a frig if I was trying to show some noob the ropes, and don't want to get a nice ship exploded because im trying to explain things to him- but a cruiser works just as good in that role. Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: CCP Whisper I find that when station camping, a kestrel fitted with rocket launcher II's, two sensor booster II's and two ballistic control unit II's is a nice surprise for undocking war targets. It's like a miniature POS siege. Apart from that, I fly Kestrels and Rifters when part of 0.0 ops. They pack a good punch and are cheap to replace. And when interceptor hunting, I like my Firetail. Nothing like over 2000 shields on a frigate to make your opponent go "wtf?". I bet people selfdestruct when they notice you have no body. Disturbing! What does a man's disability have to do with anything?
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:08:00 - [37] There are a few vids out there that demonstrate just how effective some of the tech 1 frigates can be, used properly. Especially the Rifter, but the Kestrel, Incursus and Punisher are all perfectly capable of taking on battlecruisers if they are flown tactically, and with a numerical advantage. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Hitman396 Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:10:00 - [38] <333 Rifters
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:16:00 - [39] Probe - made me multi billionaire without any alt whatsoever. then one day came t2 cargo expanders and the cute lil' bugger ended up with 780m¦ at 6au/s <3 lovely tool for moon probing aswell -.- - putting the gist back into logistics
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:39:00 - [40] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/11/2007 12:45:24 Originally by: Lazuran I fly T1 frigs when I can't buy a shuttle, otherwise not. Seriously, there is no reason to fly T1 frigs when you have skills to fly T2 ones effectively. If the Wolf is too slow, fly a Claw. It shows your lack of understanding of basic pirate economics. The Claw can't, in fact, significantly expand my selection of 'killable' ships - i.e. I still can't own a well-fitted PvP cruiser/BC with it. Due to a lack of web, it's in fact, less equipped to deal with certain ship types. It IS better then a AF, though, from the survivability standpoint. I can, in fact, only kill the same target types which I can in a Rifter. However, a sensible Claw fit would cost me over 10M. Which means that whenever I'm going in combat, I'm risking at least five times as much ISK. Which means (assuming I net the same amount of kills, which is not a very unrealistic assumption) I'd have to get killed five times less (having, instead of a 115:11 K/L ratio a 115:2 K/L ratio), which I don't believe flying a Claw would give me. Ergo, flying a Claw is (probably, I can't prove the sentence above) less profitable then flying a Rifter for low-sec piracy. In the end, no amount of ISK can compensate for having to look at something as ugly as a Claw for hours. The first one I bought, I sold it five minutes later because I couldn't look at it anymore.
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:40:00 - [41] For combat(pvp)- yes For PVE - no ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
Motokko	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:46:00 - [42] I hunt low sec in my rifter all the time. I'm probably at the point now where I'm skilled enough to upgrade to cruisers but my rifter just wont die
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:59:00 - [43] All the time, frig gangs are fun and can surprise the hell out of some "bigger is better" newsletter subscribers.
Van Steiza Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:18:00 - [44] Goonswarm. I fly a Great Kestrel.
Lord Bleu MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:18:00 - [45] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: d026 Originally by: CobraBytez exclusively couldnt you do the same in a af or be of better use in a ceptor? you'd think so, but sadly, sometimes being a wolf or jag isn't a good thing. they tank great, and I have assult ships 5. they only cost 10 mil to boot! but they are slower, and heavy. basicly, I have 3 jags, 4 wolfs, and 23 rifters. I have 3 bombers, and 2 covOps. I have 3 of each ceptor. I also have 3 logtisics ships and about 4 recon ships. I have say.. 7 t1 cruisers? but the rifter is a lot of fun to fly because it's so cheap and packs a punch without the cost. I use only tech 2 guns. I use a rifter for L1-2 missions (just started doing missions) Care you share your setup?
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:49:00 - [46] A T1 frig swarm is cheap fun. However, unless you are broke, or very very very prone to losing ships even when they are quick and in a swarm, I can see little reason to fly them if you have even a cheap ceptor available instead.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:59:00 - [47] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/11/2007 14:00:12 Originally by: Sha4d13 A T1 frig swarm is cheap fun. However, unless you are broke, or very very very prone to losing ships even when they are quick and in a swarm, I can see little reason to fly them if you have even a cheap ceptor available instead. Well, this: 1 Rifter+fit = 2M 1 Interceptor+fit = 13-15M Since half of the times my Rifter actually dies it died because I landed in a trap or got jumped or was sacrificing my ship to save a mate's arse and not because I lost the fight, where a interceptor wouldn't have fared any better, but would've costed a lot more to lose. Also, it's far more likely not to be taken seriously.
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:04:00 - [48] Thats hardly serious money- and you really ought not to lose a ceptor in a swarm of them very often unless you are foolish. Hence my comment- "unless you are very broke... or prone to losing ships". For most normal 0.0 pilots- I see no reason to fly a frig over a ceptor, unless its skills related, or in a big t1 swarm as a fun event.
caladron prime	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:19:00 - [49] I love my rifter(s). They are cheap, and very *****ble. I have a nice BP, and run them off in bunches to supply me and friends when needed. Ratted down to 0.0 (though that was dodgy, but more because of my skills) and when they pop, you just grab another. You can even outfit one w/ t2 stuff for less than what an AF would cost you.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Sha4d13 Thats hardly serious money- and you really ought not to lose a ceptor in a swarm of them very often unless you are foolish. Hence my comment- "unless you are very broke... or prone to losing ships". For most normal 0.0 pilots- I see no reason to fly a frig over a ceptor, unless its skills related, or in a big t1 swarm as a fun event. i just fly ceptors. they do comparable frig dps but are so much more comfortable to fly.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Sha4d13 ...and you really ought not to lose a ceptor in a swarm of them very often unless you are foolish... ...For most normal 0.0 pilots- I see no reason to fly a frig over a ceptor... I'm a low-sec pilot, which means that the frigate's agility will enable you to pass through any standard gatecamp (since I am flashing red, people could camp me with interceptors, but most people will rather bring along a extra BC/BS pilot to the camp). A AF's agility doesn't, so that rules AFs out. As for interceptors, well, unlike many 0.0 entities, I fly solo or in small groups. Which means losing ships is a (relatively) common occurence, especially as most of the targets I attack are flying bigger ships which should (in theory) kill me. Of course, you attack because you strongly suspect they're noobs or don't know how to counter all I can do properly, or were too cheap to buy certain mods, but, basically, if you made a (severe) mistake in judgement or it's a trap or you get jumped, you've got a good probability of death. Pirating solo in a small ship means you periodically die. So, at least I want that death to financially hurt as little as possible. A T1 frig needs, on average, a single* kill to pay itself off, and everything after that is profit. A interceptor needs (since it will get the same type of kills and therefore equal ISK/kill) about six kills before to pay itself off, and everything after that is profit. Since it's low-sec and while you're trying to pirate other people, they are trying to pirate you, you will eventually die, and flying a ceptor won't really save you (especially a short-range one). Unless you're flying a very fast long-range (and therefore, significantly more expensive) interceptor I wouldn't count on a short-range ceptor surviving more then a dozen kills. I feel I just make much more ISK with a Rifter, thank you. *I'm not sure of the average value of the loot from my Rifter kills, but I could probably safely say '2M' - fact of the matter is that a good number of kills yields less loot and a small number yields far, far more.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:54:00 - [52] I love my Rifter. Solid little spanking machine. But don't overlook the Kestrel, as long as you wait for it to catch up. Super little tank & long range rockets = dead tacklers before they realize they'll die before they get into tackle range. Does very well against 'dictors, too, if they're not freakishly speed-tanked. http://www.voogru.com/images/signature/farmers.jpg
Trazec	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:06:00 - [53] Although I haven't done so in a while now, I really like flying in lowsec with my T2-fitted Incursus. It's cheap, fast and maneuverable. I can solo two NPC battlecruisers without getting hit, it's easy as hell. So yes, I use them. And I daresay I like it better than droning an army of cruisers with my Domi. Just isn't much fun.
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:26:00 - [54] Edited by: Stakhanov on 16/11/2007 15:27:22 I used to fly T1 frigates a lot - incursus and rifter for early piracy , imicus for probing , maulus for frigate gangs , even slasher for tackling. Problem is , T2 makes most of them redundant. Sure , the helios isn't quite as good at killing people as the imicus - but if it's defenseless (or at least comfortably damped) the single hobgoblin will do the job eventually Electronic Attack Frigates will make the T1 ewar frigs 100% redundant. Cheap and with the same slots as a covops , but more ewar bonus. Atron & slasher just aren't good enough compared to interceptors (any kind) even for basic tackling duty. The only possible role is for a trap , when your target is scared of T2 ships or if you just don't have any inty / covops available in that region. Punisher & rifter are the only T1 frigates with a T2 proof niche (mostly because they're the best) and entice possible targets to fight more than assault frigates that radiate pimpness on scanner. A punisher can take its chances to engage a noob BS ; an AF takes lots more risks if it has to come in web range. 1m loss vs 20m loss. Which is why T1 frigates can affort to engage more targets.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:27:00 - [55] I make regular use of the Rifter Join Macrointel!
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:28:00 - [56] oh and rocket Inquisitors. Join Macrointel!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Stakhanov A punisher can take its chances to engage a noob BS ; lol show me the killmail:)
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:06:00 - [58] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Stakhanov A punisher can take its chances to engage a noob BS ; lol show me the killmail:) Punishers are tough little bastards. I improperly fit a Tempest once in my mining days. He couldn't kill me, but I just couldn't kill him. I came back in a Hawk and tore him in half, but yeah. Moral of the story- The cake is a lie. Join Macrointel!
Arvald Caldari Sten Industries	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:10:00 - [59] I friggin love flying frigates in pvp, good cheap fun, but ive recently gotten into a blaster harpy and its even MORE fun then flying a t1 frig, able to blow away a cruser fairly quickly and luckly i have the isk to replace it a few times --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:12:00 - [60] way back i used to fly frigates in pvp all the time my favourites were rifter , kestrel , tristan but honestly i wish i could go back to the good' ol days of 04-05 with what i know now ! right now as the game stands if i wanted to fly cheap and fun i would use a vexor or a stabber signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?
Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:19:00 - [61] A fast kessie with four rocket launchers is an absolute riot to fly, boom boom boom boom boom boom boom, opponents loose just to get away from the racket.
TardRusher	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:22:00 - [62] I love kessies. Makes me wonder wtf happened to the manticore. =\
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:41:00 - [63] Ive always put the Rifters wobble down to Minmatar sub standard duct tape construction and it gives it a character of its own. Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:46:00 - [64] When ppl in your gang are flying HACs and BS, its kind of obnoxious to be like "aight Imma bring my Rifter." Otherwise I would always use a rifter because 1) Tackling is fun 2) An inty is not really much more survivable than a rifter but costs about 10 mil more. Right now I fly a jag but it feels heavy and slow. In the future I'll prolly fly a claw.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:53:00 - [65] T1 Frigate ops are pretty awesome, we do them semi-regularly. Rookie ship only ops are even funnier though.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:09:00 - [66] The Bantam is a strong and sturdy craft yes, i know i was already beaten to this
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:43:00 - [67] my poor maligned assault frigs oh well, all the hate keeps them cheap BAH silly prenerfed sig size
SiJira	Posted - 2007.11.17 22:15:00 - [68] a gang of frigates against a battleship is fun ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Yao Shiu	Posted - 2007.11.17 23:02:00 - [69] Edited by: Yao Shiu on 17/11/2007 23:02:06 executioner + MWD + weight on the F1 key = superfast AFK autopilot (in safe space of course) and of course the punisher for fun... but not all that much of late. I used to fly a retribution for lvl 2 and 3 missions, but it's a bit too sluggish for my liking
HarryManback Minmatar Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.11.18 05:11:00 - [70] I was in a Maelstrom with a friend in a Hyperion. 9 frigates and 1 Caracal jump into local and on our scanner. 3 minutes later local shows 2 and scanner shows a lot of frigate wrecks. So no they should not be flown. I guess you could give it a MWD and riddle it with EWar. Nothing else that a frig can do is useful. Amarr Recon/Electronics Attack Ship/almost Black Ops pilot for auction
Mutabae	Posted - 2007.11.18 07:37:00 - [71] Originally by: Lazuran I fly T1 frigs when I can't buy a shuttle, otherwise not. Seriously, there is no reason to fly T1 frigs when you have skills to fly T2 ones effectively. If the Wolf is too slow, fly a Claw. lol? when a rifter shoots almost as well, why fly something 10x the price if you're just looking for frigate level dps?
SonShadowCat New Eden Communist Nation	Posted - 2007.11.18 07:53:00 - [72] So how effective would a group of 5-6 frigs/destroyers be?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.18 08:59:00 - [73] Originally by: SonShadowCat So how effective would a group of 5-6 frigs/destroyers be? 2 Maulus 1 Griffin 1 Rifter 1 Thrasher, 1 Catalyst Pure pwn. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Ka Jolo Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.18 12:52:00 - [74] I'm a lowsec pirate who flies an Incursus almost exclusively. I have a 3:1 kill/loss ratio; it would be better except I'm always testing my limits and springing traps. In solo PvP, I've destroyed most other T1 frigates and destroyers (Rifters and Punishers can give me trouble), any industrial ship or mining barge, most cruisers, and some battlecruisers. When I die, I lose about 700K ISK; my winnings are many multiples of that. I'm at the point now of trying out cruisers, and so far I don't like them as much. I feel like I'm flying around with a big neon sign saying "gank me!" In a cruiser, I die at gatecamps; in my Incursus, I don't. In my cruiser, if I don't warp in right on top of my foe, he gets away if he's paying attention; in my Incursus, I can usually MWD over to him in a jiff. In my Incursus, I fast-orbit around bigger ships, making it hard for them to hit me; in a cruiser, I can count on getting hit (though at least I have a tank when it happens). As we all know, there is a role for almost any ship in the EVE lineup; I certainly plan to add bigger ships and T2 ships to my stable. But for cost-effective piracy and traveling solo through lowsec, I'll take a T1 frigate any day. Your Money or Your Life!
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.18 12:58:00 - [75] Originally by: d026 The only frgate i a bantam regulary while hauling small stuff who does not fit into a shuttle.. Still not sure what this thread is about, yet there is 3 pages... odd.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Ka Jolo I'm a lowsec pirate who flies an Incursus almost exclusively. I have a 3:1 kill/loss ratio; it would be better except I'm always testing my limits and springing traps. In solo PvP, I've destroyed most other T1 frigates and destroyers (Rifters and Punishers can give me trouble), any industrial ship or mining barge, most cruisers, and some battlecruisers. When I die, I lose about 700K ISK; my winnings are many multiples of that. I'm at the point now of trying out cruisers, and so far I don't like them as much. I feel like I'm flying around with a big neon sign saying "gank me!" In a cruiser, I die at gatecamps; in my Incursus, I don't. In my cruiser, if I don't warp in right on top of my foe, he gets away if he's paying attention; in my Incursus, I can usually MWD over to him in a jiff. In my Incursus, I fast-orbit around bigger ships, making it hard for them to hit me; in a cruiser, I can count on getting hit (though at least I have a tank when it happens). As we all know, there is a role for almost any ship in the EVE lineup; I certainly plan to add bigger ships and T2 ships to my stable. But for cost-effective piracy and traveling solo through lowsec, I'll take a T1 frigate any day. well said ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem

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