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Flamothron	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:35:00 - [1] ild like to ask for a real fightclub system in EvE what i mean by "fightclub" is a complete systeme of pvp within an organized faction. A system where pilots could fight freelance or in team against other pilots without security status restriction nor concord intervention. i think that this kind of system could bring more people to eve. A lot of people dont like eve because they think its to slow and to get into the action a lot of people even never saw a fight or enter a fight during their play time. With that kind of system people could get into the action whenever they would like; Fleet battle evry night, medium encounters evry hours and solo fight avilable anytime or having the choice to enter all of the above at anytime, wouldn't it nice ? I also do think that that system will greatly enhance the accesibility to good pvp for evry one making evryones eve experiance really much more appreciable(making avryone better pilots) and, most importantly,more FUN ! A ranking pvp system, in addition with skills and racial/faction attachement, could come alogn the fight club. It could determine ship able to fly and module able to use and of course give players reward for their "war" efforts. or maybe some betting duel rewards where fighting pilots could loot one of the item of their opponents ships. if youd like such a system to go up i invite you to poste your comments here on this post and make contribute to make EVE a more action oriented and more fun for game evryone !
GhostXile Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:39:00 - [2] Can I have your stuff?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:41:00 - [3] Fiting name this alt of yours carries, eh ? The subject can be argued either way, so, yeah... it's pretty flammable. Several variations of an "arena" style mechanism have been proposed more or less often, never gotten any official positive response, never gotten an official rejection either. I guess one more proposal couldn't hurt... but it won't help much either. _ Char creation \| Stacknerfs \| Invention \|CNVTF
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:42:00 - [4] Plesae take the nearest exit to WoW.....and don't come back. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:58:00 - [5] While there is some merit to the idea of a formal consentual PvP mechanic, some people coughDarkencough were so traumatized when WoW touched their naughty bits that even saying words that rhyme with "arena" provoke a response of unreasoned gibbering. A small number of us realize that more PvP in EVE = good, and agree with you. Regardless, don't hold your breath. There have been several multipage threads on the topic with no response from CCP.
Barbens	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:05:00 - [6] 0.0 (zero dot zero) BaRbEnS
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:20:00 - [7] I think CCP should fix the existing issues first, I dont see the point of this system tbh you could just as well can flag each other and have deul like that in high sec.
Adunh Slavy KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:21:00 - [8] Why not start a corp called "Fight Club Two", as "Fight club" is taken. Accept anyone as a member, give no one any roles. Then people in this corp can shoot everyone else in the club as much as they want, no rules, and they can get out when they want to get out. If you get war dec'ed, who cares, more stuff to shoot. -AS The Real Space Initiative (Forum Link)
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:36:00 - [9] 1. Create several corporations 2. War dec eachother 3. .... 4. Profit!
Neslo Gallente DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Barbens 0.0 (zero dot zero) This is pretty much what I was thinking. It meets all requirements of his PVP expectations. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:39:00 - [11] I will now explain this as clearly as I can. #1 Go to a suitable low traffic 0.6 or 0.5 system. Bring with you a number of small secure cans and all the stuff you need to fight. #2 Create an arena with the cans, best places for arenas are in empty grids just off stations, simply scout out the grid edges close to a station and secure a can close to the edge on the station side, name it arena entrance. In the new grid you set upp some cans to form the arena. The cans will mark starting points for the participants so make sure you have plenty of distances set out and dont place all in a circle or line. If you want to get fancifull you can set upp the arena at a moon, the moon backdrop is nice and you can anchor a POS there for additional terrain. Make sure you have bookmarks for all the starting points. #3 It is now time to bring in the participants. Simply invite people in and set upop whatever rules you wish to use. To be able to fight without concord simply have the participants drop a jetisoned can with enough items in to allow all the oponents to "steal" one item, I suggest somthing small and cheap, S ammo perhaps, whatever will do as its the aggro flagging you are after. Once everyone involved in the fight has "stolen" and been flagged then the fighting can start. I estimate setting the whole thing upp (except POS) would take at most a few hours and once in place its as permanent as any can art. My guess is that you could with some effort make it a buisness, set upp weekly fights for players with divisions. 1v1 frigg fights 5v5 frigg fights 1v1 cruiser fights 3v3 cruiser fights 7v7 BS fights and naturally the sunday afternoon special free for all. Simply charge a fee for entry and ask for isk donations for spectators, if you manage to get it rolling I suspect you can soon start with rankings, betting... possibly even get a few CCP created terrain features to make the fields more interesting. Im not sure how grids fit together but if they fit together as cubes then a spectator spot can easilly be crated that has 8 arenas within just a few hundred km's. Its actually rather odd that noone has made this their thing in eve, I know there is a demand for it :)
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:43:00 - [12] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 17/11/2007 08:44:41 ^What he said too.. Originally by: Adunh Slavy Why not start a corp called "Fight Club Two", as "Fight club" is taken. Accept anyone as a member, give no one any roles. Then people in this corp can shoot everyone else in the club as much as they want, no rules, and they can get out when they want to get out. If you get war dec'ed, who cares, more stuff to shoot. This.. Works within the existing game rules and only needs a bit of organization.. Shouldn't be too hard to do if there really is a sufficient amount of players wanting this type of gameplay.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Adunh Slavy Why not start a corp called "Fight Club Two", as "Fight club" is taken. Accept anyone as a member, give no one any roles. Then people in this corp can shoot everyone else in the club as much as they want, no rules, and they can get out when they want to get out. If you get war dec'ed, who cares, more stuff to shoot. This.. Works within the existing game rules and only needs a bit of organization.. Shouldn't be too hard to do if there really is a sufficient amount of players wanting this type of gameplay.. Except for the part where you would have to quit your existing corp to participate.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:46:00 - [14] Well if your really wanting to do it bad enough dropping out of your corp for a few days or so should be no biggie.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:53:00 - [15] Edited by: Amarria Black on 17/11/2007 08:53:56 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Well if your really wanting to do it bad enough dropping out of your corp for a few days or so should be no biggie.. Those towers don't fuel themselves, so for me, not really an option. Wardecing their corp, however.... (My CEO's gonna slap me for that suggestion.)
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:59:00 - [16] Yeah its not an optimal solution but if it turns out some good player numbers then the Devs might put more interest and time into developing some kind of official way to fight in an arena style enviroment instead of a jury rigged one.. I'd love to be able to witness/participate in an organized rule enforced fight outside of the current pvp mechanics.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Adunh Slavy KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Amarria Black Those towers don't fuel themselves, so for me, not really an option. Wardecing their corp, however.... That kinda thing is a problem, not much we can do about that. Hopefully factional warfare will include some sort of "letter of marquee" as many players have suggested, which will allow for opt in/opt out, after some minimal commitment. This would solve the need for more loosely organized PVP that can cross crop boundries, and hopeully lead to more boom. -AS The Real Space Initiative (Forum Link)
Van'Klomp The Three Hundred R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:03:00 - [18] This thread is a waste of time. This reply is also a waste of time, but I was compelled to tell you what a waste of time this thread was. You'll waste your time reading this reply, but then you've already wasted your time reading (maybe even replying to) this thread. And you may waste more time replying to me! ------ This is a signature, no?
Adunh Slavy KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Van'Klomp This thread is a waste of time. This reply is also a waste of time, but I was compelled to tell you what a waste of time this thread was. You'll waste your time reading this reply, but then you've already wasted your time reading (maybe even replying to) this thread. And you may waste more time replying to me! Why? -AS The Real Space Initiative (Forum Link)
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Flamothron ild like to ask for a real fightclub system in EvE what i mean by "fightclub" is a complete systeme of pvp within an organized faction. A system where pilots could fight freelance or in team against other pilots without security status restriction nor concord intervention. i think that this kind of system could bring more people to eve. A lot of people dont like eve because they think its to slow and to get into the action a lot of people even never saw a fight or enter a fight during their play time. With that kind of system people could get into the action whenever they would like; Fleet battle evry night, medium encounters evry hours and solo fight avilable anytime or having the choice to enter all of the above at anytime, wouldn't it nice ? I also do think that that system will greatly enhance the accesibility to good pvp for evry one making evryones eve experiance really much more appreciable(making avryone better pilots) and, most importantly,more FUN ! A ranking pvp system, in addition with skills and racial/faction attachement, could come alogn the fight club. It could determine ship able to fly and module able to use and of course give players reward for their "war" efforts. or maybe some betting duel rewards where fighting pilots could loot one of the item of their opponents ships. if youd like such a system to go up i invite you to poste your comments here on this post and make contribute to make EVE a more action oriented and more fun for game evryone ! /signed Could be fun.
Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:24:00 - [21] The new FoTM it seems.
Adunh Slavy KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Kimiko Kurosawa The new FoTM it seems. It is an it isn't. This OP is not asking for freebie PVP with no consequences, as far as I can see, which does make it a bit more palatable. -AS The Real Space Initiative (Forum Link)
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:33:00 - [23] We have that, its called 0.0 space. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Sokratesz We have that, its called 0.0 space. And what exactly do you think will happen once a small group of players goes to 0.0 looking for consentual pvp against an equal opponent? They will get ganked at the fisrt opportunity with various forms of "lolz" "nubz" and "ck" pelted at them in the local.. The whole concept of arena pvp isn't to avoid ship loss but have a controlled enviroment to fight in and you will never get that in 0.0 or low sec.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Gilad Ayn Gallente Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:45:00 - [25] You do realize the OP is baiting, yes? If you ever played WoW (guilty glances) you'd realize how much the post is constructed around identical mechanisms to the WoW battleground system. The whole bit about Originally by: Flamothron A ranking pvp system, in addition with skills and racial/faction attachement, could come alogn the fight club. It could determine ship able to fly and module able to use and of course give players reward for their "war" efforts. or maybe some betting duel rewards where fighting pilots could loot one of the item of their opponents ships. gives it all away. Until then, I'd give it 5/10. Ranking system determining what ships one could fly? War effort? Lulz, and the bit about how maybe you could loot one item from your opponent. No security loss and no Concord intervention? Consequence-free and flavorless skirmishes. 'Real' PvP for sure..
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Sokratesz We have that, its called 0.0 space. And what exactly do you think will happen once a small group of players goes to 0.0 looking for consentual pvp against an equal opponent? They will get ganked at the fisrt opportunity with various forms of "lolz" "nubz" and "c**k" pelted at them in the local.. The whole concept of arena pvp isn't to avoid ship loss but have a controlled enviroment to fight in and you will never get that in 0.0 or low sec.. Exactly. It's so that Smacktard X won't bring his 68 friends to a 1-v-1. As it stands, there is no formal flagging mechanic that doesn't leave you completely hanging in the wind as far as your opponent obeying the agreed upon terms. This puts you back at square 1: bring a blob, or expect to lose. The "Arena" concept isn't about lossless combat; it's about PvP options that don't lead to blob-v-blob. It's about the possibility for fast access to meaningful PvP. It's also about gambling, rigging fights, and e-peen bragging rights, but that's for a different thread.
Gilad Ayn Gallente Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Amarria Black The "Arena" concept isn't about lossless combat; it's about PvP options that don't lead to blob-v-blob. It's about the possibility for fast access to meaningful PvP. It's also about gambling, rigging fights, and e-peen bragging rights, but that's for a different thread. The game design of EVE clearly tends toward consequences instead of limitations. You can do many things, but they have varying consequences. The most obvious example being CONCORD and the fact that you can kill people in high sec, but with serious consequences. Existing game mechanics already allow you and your organization to set up an arranged fight and then pursue retribution against those who break your rules. I'd be very surprised to see CCP implement an arena type system where every element of the combat would be strictly controlled and prohibited things would be simply impossible. It would seem to go against the spirit of the game.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:55:00 - [28] And it would be the perfect recruiting ground for 0.0 corps really.. This way they know the people fighting want to fight and don't have to wade through all the carebears who think they might want to get dirty but then bail out after a few bad losses.. TBH all thats needed is the same setup used in the alliance tourneys that can be done on tranq.. Dunno how hard it would be to code in the new rules but thats what the devs are paid for.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.17 10:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Gilad Ayn The game design of EVE clearly tends toward consequences instead of limitations. You can do many things, but they have varying consequences. The most obvious example being CONCORD and the fact that you can kill people in high sec, but with serious consequences. Existing game mechanics already allow you and your organization to set up an arranged fight and then pursue retribution against those who break your rules. I'd be very surprised to see CCP implement an arena type system where every element of the combat would be strictly controlled and prohibited things would be simply impossible. It would seem to go against the spirit of the game. -relevant topics bolded for emphasis- To some degree, yes, you can pursue retribution against those who break the agreed upon rules. However, each and every avenue of retribution involves additional loss to the aggrieved party. Just like suicide ganking, fighting back gains you nothing and typically causes you to incur more losses. Unless you plan on smearing said person as a coward on the forums, which costs nothing and is usually worth about the same. As to the "strict regulation" portion, there's no need to overcomplicate things or introduce immersion-breaking mechanics. Simply have anyone who interacts with the match who is not registered as a combatant promptly WTFPWNED by CONCORD and/or a "Gaming Commission". This still allows for unauthorized combatants to jump in (just like everywhere else in the game), it just puts some consequences behind their actions to discourage such behavior.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.17 10:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Amarria Black While there is some merit to the idea of a formal consentual PvP mechanic, some people coughDarkencough were so traumatized when WoW touched their naughty bits that even saying words that rhyme with "arena" provoke a response of unreasoned gibbering. A small number of us realize that more PvP in EVE = good, and agree with you. Regardless, don't hold your breath. There have been several multipage threads on the topic with no response from CCP. Oh yes throwing insults at me does add weight to your argument. Arenas with controls are rubbish. There are plenty of games that cater to that particular segment of the gaming public. It doesn't promote more PvP at all. What it does if it comes in, is to start another bunch of whining threads about how PvP shoudl be restricted to arenas and nowheer else. Yea thanks, but I don't want to play a game with no consequences. Plus, 1 vs 1s are stupid. Doubly stupid if it's a pre arranged 1 vs 1. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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