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Kitty Kill
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:36:00 -
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I mine in 0.5 amarr space with a Hulk and build ships with the minerals.
If I were to explore for hidden belts/mining sites (different names for the same thing?) what ores could I find in them? Only the same as in the "standard belts"?
tyia...
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pyklet uk1
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: pyklet uk1 on 18/11/2007 20:45:06
Edit (because I actually forgot to post anything!)
From experience in high sec you may find Omber fields or kernite fields, IE comman ores you may be lucky enough to run into some higher end ores like you may find in low sec.
Its very random. but I guess possible to find anything. That large Arknor belt in the sky may actually be there.
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Artmedis Valben
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:06:00 -
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In high sec you can find Omber, Kernite, Jaspet. Hemorphite and Hedbergite.
At least I have never found anything else.
In low sec Dark Ochre, Gneiss, Spodumain and Crokite can be added to the list. But after the belts were taken out of deadspace you are very vulnerable to scanning pirates, which can find you really quickly :(
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Kitty Kill
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:06:00 -
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If I could probe out belts in high-sec that I can mine zyd and mega from I would be very happy, wouldn't think there'd be much chance of that tho...
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Artmedis Valben
In high sec you can find Omber, Kernite, Jaspet. Hemorphite and Hedbergite.
At least I have never found anything else.
In low sec Dark Ochre, Gneiss, Spodumain and Crokite can be added to the list. But after the belts were taken out of deadspace you are very vulnerable to scanning pirates, which can find you really quickly :(
With high-sec you do mean 0.1 and above right? Jaspet, Hemorphite and Hedberghite can only be found in 0.4 and lower.
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Smokey Joe
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:57:00 -
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You can find Jaspet, Hemorphite, and Hedbergite in high sec systems. I just finished mining some from an exploration site in a .7 system.
Originally by: Thenoran
With high-sec you do mean 0.1 and above right? Jaspet, Hemorphite and Hedberghite can only be found in 0.4 and lower.
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Captain Agemman
Minmatar
Legio Ultra
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Posted - 2007.11.19 02:54:00 -
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In good hisec exploration belts, you can find the racial lowsec ore.
In good lowsec exploration belts, you can find the racial bad-0.0 ore.
In good bad-0.0 exploration belts, you can find the good deep-0.0 ore.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.19 09:15:00 -
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How does one explore a new belt? The directional scanner?
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Tres Farmer
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
How does one explore a new belt? The directional scanner?
No, it involves special skills and special mods.
Search for some FAQ about exploration or join the 'Exploration'-Channel ingame ;)
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Yuki Tsuji
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
How does one explore a new belt? The directional scanner?
You use probes.
Here is a guide: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=519470
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Saietor Blackgreen
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Artmedis Valben
But after the belts were taken out of deadspace you are very vulnerable to scanning pirates, which can find you really quickly :(
No they were not. Despite the fact that there's no gates and all bookmarks work as in normal space, you still get than effect of deadspace that makes you 100 times harder to scan out.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Originally by: Artmedis Valben
But after the belts were taken out of deadspace you are very vulnerable to scanning pirates, which can find you really quickly :(
No they were not. Despite the fact that there's no gates and all bookmarks work as in normal space, you still get than effect of deadspace that makes you 100 times harder to scan out.
I second this. All exploration sites are deadspace, even the Gravimetric sites.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Originally by: Artmedis Valben
But after the belts were taken out of deadspace you are very vulnerable to scanning pirates, which can find you really quickly :(
No they were not. Despite the fact that there's no gates and all bookmarks work as in normal space, you still get than effect of deadspace that makes you 100 times harder to scan out.
I second this. All exploration sites are deadspace, even the Gravimetric sites.
Mi experiece say they are easy to scan, even more as you are sure they will be within 4 AU from a planet.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Mi experiece say they are easy to scan, even more as you are sure they will be within 4 AU from a planet.
Well, I'm not commenting on whether they're easier to scan than other deadspace, but whenever I scan a Gravimetric site down, they are always listed as Deadspace.
Though, I think having several mining barges/exhumers, especially if they're using drones, are going to increase your chances of scanning those ships out of a deadspace.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Mi experiece say they are easy to scan, even more as you are sure they will be within 4 AU from a planet.
Well, I'm not commenting on whether they're easier to scan than other deadspace, but whenever I scan a Gravimetric site down, they are always listed as Deadspace.
Though, I think having several mining barges/exhumers, especially if they're using drones, are going to increase your chances of scanning those ships out of a deadspace.
Interesting, as I don't see them listed as deadspace and they don't work as deadspace.
Where you see that "deadspace" label?
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.20 15:15:00 -
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So my chances of finding a Gravimetric signal in high-sec is 0.000000001%?
Currently only using a Multispectral probe (skills don't matter for those right?) which so far has only returned Unknown and Radar.
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dAmPiE
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Posted - 2007.11.20 15:36:00 -
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I do a lot of probing and search for hidden belts:
This is what I found in .5 systems:
Hemorphite all types
Jaspet all types
Omber all types
Gneiss
Fly safe and smoke weed
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.20 17:15:00 -
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Is it limited to racial? Would I find Jaspet in a 0.5 hidden belt in Caldari space?
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Ashina Sito
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Posted - 2007.11.20 20:11:00 -
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The problem with doing exploration for gravimetric sites and high security space is it that you will find primarily omber. Since omber sells for about 25% less then veldspar the time spent finding the site results in you making less money at the exploration site then what you would have made had you simply mined veldspar a belt.
Exploration for gravimetric sites in the low security space is also generally not worth the effort. Primary problem here is that with the belts not being in deadspace it's too easy for pirates to scan you down. I personally spent three hours scanning down the low security gravimetric site and was mining for fewer than 20 minutes before my ships were found by pirates. The difficulty of scanning ships is somewhat moot since the Pirates are able to find my ship faster than I'm able to find a belt. Once the Pirates have found a belt they know exactly where I will be and therefore I cannot use the site.
An additional problem is that quite often you'll find sites good sites, but they have been mined out and abandoned. After Trinity these sites will despawn after three days. That's good for clearing out the sites but you will still spend time scanning down used sites that do you no good.
The opportunity cost for doing gravimetric sites in high security space is too high. You're better off pretty much doing anything other than looking for gravimetric sites. Generally the same goes for low security sites. I don't have any experience with zero security sites to can't say much there.
End result, I don't explore gravimetric sites and any more.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Angel DeMorphis on 20/11/2007 20:33:32
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Interesting, as I don't see them listed as deadspace and they don't work as deadspace.
Where you see that "deadspace" label?
When the explorer is probing down a cosmic signature, Gravimetric signatures, like all the other exploration signatures having to do with archaeology and hacking and gas clouds... Gravimetric signatures show up as "Deadspace Signature" in the scanner window.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 21/11/2007 15:30:03
Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
Edited by: Angel DeMorphis on 20/11/2007 20:33:32
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Interesting, as I don't see them listed as deadspace and they don't work as deadspace.
Where you see that "deadspace" label?
When the explorer is probing down a cosmic signature, Gravimetric signatures, like all the other exploration signatures having to do with archaeology and hacking and gas clouds... Gravimetric signatures show up as "Deadspace Signature" in the scanner window.
That is only a definition of a jet unknown site, calling them differently if they are truly deadspace or not would give informations that should not be available as long as you don't reach the site.
My position is: they don't block warp as a deadspace location (you can warp within the mining area); they don't protect from scanning like a deadspace area, they aren't a deadspace area.
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