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Astal Atlar Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.19 21:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Astal Atlar on 19/11/2007 21:45:52 Well as most of you already know, dictors base speed is getting nerfed. So now we dictor pilots will not only die even faster we will even ger more useless then before. I try not to post on the forum there is too much saying and no real proposal. But as dictor pilot i wonder why they do this. Flycatcher is already slow as hell Ares is not better Heretic in his current state is nice ship 4.7 with good navigation skills full t2 without rigs and snake imp. Sabre is fastest ect,i will not speak for it we all know what a sabre can do. So to balance one ship they nerf a whole class of ships it is stupid.Dictors are supposed to kill ceptors like destroyers kill t1 frigs. But with 4k/s or less there is no dictor that can be able to do this.And as you are most of the time primary and your only chance is ti outrun and warp out we will not be able to do this after the change. And with introducing of the heavy dictors things will go even worse for dictors. Personaly i think dictors will keep their role in the current pvp enviroment but man we are already walking dead coffins why you make it even worse. Bulgarian experienced *****ers - the OSS
Mr Ignitious Gallente Kingpins	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:03:00 - [2] gallente dictor isn't the ares, its the eris, just so you know...i don't fly em, just wanted to correct you ares is our 2 midslot inty
Kal Shakai Dominus Imperium	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Astal Atlar we will even ger more useless then before. Stopped reading here tbh. Even being slower, they will still be very desirable to have along.
Astal Atlar Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:24:00 - [4] yeah desirable but how many suicidal pilots you know. I dont mind taking my dictor out but for small roaming gangs. I know they are presious and in big fleet but when i know i am dead the moment i show up on the grid and can't run i will prefer my bs or recon my falcon will do same good even better and may at least survive as my dictor will not. As for heavy dictors we will see nothing is sure before we test them ingame. Bulgarian experienced *****ers - the OSS
SPAgent Scully	Posted - 2007.11.19 22:30:00 - [5] I have to apologize for the dictor nerf. You see I just got finished training for them, and CCP immediately nerfs whatever I just finish training. Sorry. PS: Don't get too attached to controlling POS guns. I finish anchoring 5 in a week.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.19 23:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Astal Atlar yeah desirable but how many suicidal pilots you know. I dont mind taking my dictor out but for small roaming gangs. I know they are presious and in big fleet but when i know i am dead the moment i show up on the grid and can't run i will prefer my bs or recon my falcon will do same good even better and may at least survive as my dictor will not. As for heavy dictors we will see nothing is sure before we test them ingame. Then selfish guy like you will use falcon or bs. Those who want to help GANG or FLEET will use dictors. Its not about you surviving but about helping your mates kill enemies. As for suicides? Flown dictors when they were much slower and didnt lose many of em, so nothing changes. Sabre can still hit over 5km/s...
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:51:00 - [7] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 20/11/2007 00:55:44 the problem isn't so much that dictors are now slow, its more that they are now slower then most hacs, and much much slower then interceptors, and even slower then some t1 frigs. yes interdictors currently already are slower then some hacs, and slower then interceptors but this nerf is gonna make the difference massive. in trinity dictors are gonna get absolutely pwned by any interceptor which can do damage out of web range. new flycatchers do 2600m/s, sabres do 3600m/s. with speed fits. most t1 frigs can hit sabre speeds, and most inteceptors do well over 5k/s, most of them do 6k/s+ so they will run rings around dictors and kill them fairly easily. so looks like dictors are gonna be dedicated gang boats now, pretty much the only thing else you will be able to do with them will be to gank haulers, because anything else competantly flown is either gonna kill you, or be able to run away from you. if your gonna nerf dictor speeds, then you need to nerf all other ship speeds to be inline with this. to be honest thou, i'm struggling to see what is wrong with dictor speeds atm? if you don't like nano-ships, then speed nerf ships across the board, dont' just single out the interdictor.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.20 01:05:00 - [8] Pointless whine. Dictors are like interceptors on steroids. Dictors needed a speed nerf. Or why would anyone fly an interceptor?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:06:00 - [9] whine or not, the truth is that the only dictor that needed balance was the sabre. the rest was fairly ok'ish. --- planetary interaction idea!
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 20/11/2007 02:14:07 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Pointless whine. Dictors are like interceptors on steroids. Dictors needed a speed nerf. Or why would anyone fly an interceptor? how does this make any sense? interdictors are slower then interceptors, usually by about 20-30%. people see 1 polycarbed/gistii/snakeset sabre, and now they think that all interdictors go 10k/s wtf.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:16:00 - [11] nerf peanut tbo :p
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Peanut Swsh people see 1 polycarbed/gistii/snakeset sabre, and now they think that all interdictors go 10k/s wtf. Mine goes 12k/s out of gang and I don't even have a fully HG Snake set. It's not important though, in gang with mindlink + speed module on CS they will still go really fast (most ships do anyway...) EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Astal Atlar Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:46:00 - [13] Thanks for the positive replies. Most of the other seems to never have flown a dictor and jsut comment. Well there is no like a selfish dictor pilot but when you die for 10 seconds you cant help your gang.So better use other ships and leave ceptors to tackle with the new bonuses of some of thme they will do it fairly easy from 28-32km. The problem in the change is that it was said only the sabre have a decent speed and now they will nerf all of them. I am not whining whine is to want to change vaga or amars or ect.This is game ccp made we will play what ever they change But one of most presious gang ships is getting nerfed to hell from them because of only 1 ship in the whole class. It is pointless yes sabre is owning mashine right now nerf it speed drop it to arround 5-6k/s and all will be fine. Bulgarian experienced *****ers - the OSS
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:48:00 - [14] Edited by: Ryysa on 20/11/2007 04:51:17 Actually it's not the sabre that is going REALLY fast by itself. If you polycarbfit a flycatcher + gistii MWD + snakes you go fast too. But people don't seem to realize that you can make about any ship go really fast with polycarbs + gistii + snakes. You do realize that a Sabre going 11k/s out of gang has a price of about 2B right? And what can a sabre kill solo anyway besides a couple stupid ceptors and some haulers? Not much, unless the opposing pilot is a complete moron. Imo, all the dictors could use a slight boost. Sabre should still be the fastest (minmatar), but not as pronounced. There has to be some sort of compensation for flying the ship that gets primaried all day long. What makes sabre pwn is barrage + ac's, more than anything. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 20/11/2007 04:51:17 Actually it's not the sabre that is going REALLY fast by itself. If you polycarbfit a flycatcher + gistii MWD + snakes you go fast too. But people don't seem to realize that you can make about any ship go really fast with polycarbs + gistii + snakes. You do realize that a Sabre going 11k/s out of gang has a price of about 2B right? And what can a sabre kill solo anyway besides a couple stupid ceptors and some haulers? Not much, unless the opposing pilot is a complete moron. Imo, all the dictors could use a slight boost. Sabre should still be the fastest (minmatar), but not as pronounced. There has to be some sort of compensation for flying the ship that gets primaried all day long. What makes sabre pwn is barrage + ac's, more than anything. Yeah, this is about right. I've had a hauler tank my Sabre. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:03:00 - [16] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 20/11/2007 05:03:36 Originally by: Astal Atlar Thanks for the positive replies. Most of the other seems to never have flown a dictor and jsut comment. Well there is no like a selfish dictor pilot but when you die for 10 seconds you cant help your gang.So better use other ships and leave ceptors to tackle with the new bonuses of some of thme they will do it fairly easy from 28-32km. The problem in the change is that it was said only the sabre have a decent speed and now they will nerf all of them. I am not whining whine is to want to change vaga or amars or ect.This is game ccp made we will play what ever they change But one of most presious gang ships is getting nerfed to hell from them because of only 1 ship in the whole class. It is pointless yes sabre is owning mashine right now nerf it speed drop it to arround 5-6k/s and all will be fine. Nerfing polycarbs (sadly) or snakes (GRR) would fix almost all speed issues in Eve. Liang Ed: I'd like to see polys just a little bit less effective, and the other rigs be more effective at what they're supposed to do. Actually, I'd like ALL the rigs to be actually useful at what they're supposed to do. Saving 5% CPU on a 2 CPU module? yay? -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Astal Atlar Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:38:00 - [17] Quote: Actually it's not the sabre that is going REALLY fast by itself. [/url] In fact i take the rigs in mind but tell me who flies snakes and faction mvd,ect on a dictor with the lag that currently hit you everytime with above 40-50 in the battle. Ryussa thanks for the replies there is thought in them i like your guides man.and you really seems to understand why i post the topic. what i think as i mentioned above nerf a little the speed of sabre and dictors will be fine,if they got speed nerf to hell they will become horrible to fly not able to tank not able to speed tank. Bulgarian experienced *****ers - the OSS
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:56:00 - [18] Uncalled nerf tbh, and is pretty big. 100m/s or something, right? Sucks when you have to aproach a fleet, bubble them and get out of it, even with 10km/s things can get very wrong.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Astal Atlar In fact i take the rigs in mind but tell me who flies snakes and faction mvd,ect on a dictor with the lag that currently hit you everytime with above 40-50 in the battle. Would give you lots of dictor pilot names that use snake+gistii/polys in pvp (even 20-40man gang combat) but guess it would make em primary all the time. As for fleet combat - you dont use snakes/gistii. You use cheap setups (tho still i know some ppl who would use snakes/gistii sabres in fleet). Also - there are ways to get sabre on top of enemy even if you fly 1km/s. Maybe its time to learn how to use "teamwork"? And as i dont have time to reply later: that module is called recon probe launcher on covops ship. Yes it works in fleet.
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Satura on 20/11/2007 06:00:52 Quote: Also - there are ways to get sabre on top of enemy even if you fly 1km/s. Maybe its time to learn how to use "teamwork"? And as i dont have time to reply later: that module is called recon probe launcher on covops ship. Yes it works in fleet. Dude, even a blind man could do that. But that dictor you are talking about is like a condom in this case. No way he will get out. It's dead the moment he warps to his cov ops pilot.
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:12:00 - [21] I guess we should all be thankful that the invention success rate for dictors is going up - sure your going to die in every fight, but at least it won't cost as much to replace your sabre each time! Oh and just about anything with decent stats with polycarbons/gistii/snakes goes really, really fast.
Astal Atlar Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:13:00 - [22] Deva Blackfire- can agree but as I said above dictors will be viable in the small gangs.Yeah you fly snakes gisti in small gangs but in fleet dictors become useless. I will take my snake jc and use it roaming because i know the speed will safe me but warping in on a fleet bubling laging like hell i will not use it. And yes we know what is team work,but as Satura states the moment you warp on your warp in point you are primaried and death. So this nerf will make the thinks even worse.And now the sabre is the only dictor most of the people fly but after change it maybe stay the only dictor possible to fly at all. There is a lot more things to be balanced then the dictors at all. As example it is not normal a vaga to fly faster or as fast as ceptor. As i said already dictors are meant to kill ceptors this is what their t1 equivalent do they should do it too.But even now and after the change it is not that easy only the sabre excel there with the ac and the high speed every well fitted ceptor can outrun dictors right now. Bulgarian experienced *****ers - the OSS
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 20/11/2007 06:30:10 Originally by: Satura Edited by: Satura on 20/11/2007 06:00:52 Quote: Also - there are ways to get sabre on top of enemy even if you fly 1km/s. Maybe its time to learn how to use "teamwork"? And as i dont have time to reply later: that module is called recon probe launcher on covops ship. Yes it works in fleet. Dude, even a blind man could do that. But that dictor you are talking about is like a condom in this case. No way he will get out. It's dead the moment he warps to his cov ops pilot. My sabre/gistii thingy does 6km/s on sisi. Thats enough i guess. 3-4km/s (for t2 only dictor) is also enough to gtfo. You DO NOT need to fly 5km/s to run, its pretty doable in slower ships. Also you do not warp TO covops pilot. This way you waste time = ebnemy fleet realigned already. Seems not every "blind man" can do this. EDIT: as for fixing problems: polys/snakes. But then youd hear outcry from "we are sooo nerfed" vaga pilots.
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:50:00 - [24] Edited by: Satura on 20/11/2007 06:54:46 Edited by: Satura on 20/11/2007 06:50:59 Whatever your method is, that's not important. Thing is, a dictor pilot has way lower chance to get out alive once he spits out a bubble after the nerf. 100ish m/s from the base speed is a lot, and tbh, not that many people fly 2b setups. Specially with dictors, because there is 100% chance to pop those implants if cought in your own bubble. edit: and faction modules shouldn't be included in this thread tbh. Let's talk t2, with "regular" implants. The gist/snake guys should be imbalanced anyway, since they spend a fortune on thosethings.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.20 08:17:00 - [25] They're not imbalanced, they're just endgame. They're about as imbalanced as a titan's jumpbridge, or a raven with crystal shieldtank, or uhm, a good player who has played for 2 years and knows game mechanics well. It's like, the ultimate weapon with the ultimate price, which also takes a huge amount of skill compared to sitting there and tanking. One tiny mistake and you, and your snakes/polys/titan/uber raven blow up. More risk, more reward. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Golem Pyle	Posted - 2007.11.20 08:36:00 - [26] meh, nerf snakes, balance 3x ODJ, 2x Poly ships. No need for Dictor Nerf then. This turns all Dictors into overpriced, slightly quicker AF's with crap tank and large sig radius. Sabre with ODJ II, Nano II, Poly/Aux thruster goes 4300m/s... it's shameful. Time to "Flavor Up" with snaked out dual poly ships. With changes to sensor boosters, tracking comp now using script, Nano's are going to be the only way to PVP when not ZomgWTFblobbing.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2007.11.20 08:40:00 - [27] Edited by: Shan''Talasha Mea''Questa on 20/11/2007 08:40:53 Maybe the price of the sabre will go down too, but since I use my Eris for salvaging I'd be really upset if they dropped it base cargohold down a notch. Edit: Spelling 4tw. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Astal Atlar Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.11.20 09:11:00 - [28] in fact dictors are not that expensive heretic with t2 fit goes up to 20 mil i will say sabre with t2 fit go up to no more than 40-45 mil this calculations are without rigs The points is making one of the most versatile and presious pvp ships in eve in slow bricks this is what it bothers me. Bulgarian experienced *****ers - the OSS
Satura Mucho Dolor	Posted - 2007.11.20 11:06:00 - [29] Quote: More risk, more reward. Yup, i agree with this completly. Even if i don't have time/will to play "hardcore", in eve you can get pretty easy "end game" stuff. Well, not titans, but implants and 1-2 faction mods to pimp a ship...pretty easy compared with other mmo's. :) And lol, i was just killed by one of those 10km/s sabres (no joke), hahah. Man i suck sometimes. One of these days i swear i kill that sabre.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.20 12:23:00 - [30] Dictors deserved the nerf, so stop the whining * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes

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