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Romulan Dominiae	Posted - 2007.11.19 23:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Romulan Dominiae on 19/11/2007 23:56:35 jack of all trades? fast, damage bonus, tank bonus? well at last it will be most expensive ship. can't understand how ccp can nerf one uber ship, then create the next. O_o edit: misspelled topic :)
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.11.19 23:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 20/11/2007 00:00:35 Indeed, the rupture will soon be destroying battleships with it's 5 heavy drones and... wait, what? What are you even talking about? The rupture doesn't have a tank bonus at all. Don't drink and poast, kidz edit: oh broadsword was misspelled as "R U P T U R E" easy mistake to make you're still wrong about everything Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
sdthujfg	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Romulan Dominiae Edited by: Romulan Dominiae on 19/11/2007 23:56:35 jack of all trades? fast, damage bonus, tank bonus? well at last it will be most expensive ship. can't understand how ccp can nerf one uber ship, then create the next. O_o edit: misspelled topic :) Yes.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:02:00 - [4] I knew the ruppie was good, but... -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:04:00 - [5] Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 20/11/2007 00:04:20 its not that fast really and the dps isnt good either. But it can tank like a mofo, just like they were intended i guess
Grytok KL0NKRIEGER	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:10:00 - [6] Tank = very good Gank = subpar to a Vaga or Muninn Speed = OKish Drones = what Drones So yeah, the Broadsword is quiet good as a heavy tackler, with some damage, but it's nowhere near a solo-BS-killer. The Onyx does axactly the same as the Brodsword, with an passive Sield Tank. The Heavy Interdictors all are ment to tank like hell, but none of them has a dronebay or a second damagebonus like the HACs. .
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:20:00 - [7] What are you on about? The broadsword is hardly the new FOTM for single combat. The new HIC are all quite valuable to a gang, but by no means are they capable of tearing through your average combat HAC on their own. Though that EM resist does irk me...
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad What are you on about? The broadsword is hardly the new FOTM for single combat. The new HIC are all quite valuable to a gang, but by no means are they capable of tearing through your average combat HAC on their own. Though that EM resist does irk me... It's SUPPOSED to irk you... its your racial enemy. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Amy Wang	Posted - 2007.11.20 01:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Amy Wang on 20/11/2007 01:26:13 They tank well which is good as they are the natural primary. They also have the mass of a BC and will move like a brick. Comparing the broadsword to the eos in terms of unbalancedness is a joke at best, the eos was unbalanced compared to all other field command ships, the broadsword is pretty much in line with the other heavy dictors.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.11.20 01:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad What are you on about? The broadsword is hardly the new FOTM for single combat. The new HIC are all quite valuable to a gang, but by no means are they capable of tearing through your average combat HAC on their own. Though that EM resist does irk me... It's SUPPOSED to irk you... its your racial enemy. Liang ...on the other hand our lovely explosive resists never bothered them. Us: "T2 minnie. CRAP!" Them: "Oh. Amarr. Switch to Phased Plasma and Engage". ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Henny Tai	Posted - 2007.11.20 01:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad What are you on about? The broadsword is hardly the new FOTM for single combat. The new HIC are all quite valuable to a gang, but by no means are they capable of tearing through your average combat HAC on their own. Though that EM resist does irk me... It's SUPPOSED to irk you... its your racial enemy. Liang ...on the other hand our lovely explosive resists never bothered them. Us: "T2 minnie. CRAP!" Them: "Oh. Amarr. Switch to Phased Plasma and Engage". Yes, because every vaga pilot's first ammo into his cargo is PP, and no amarr pilot has ever patched the thermal hole
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Henny Tai Yes, because every vaga pilot's first ammo into his cargo is PP, and no amarr pilot has ever patched the thermal hole 1. Yes. Phased Plasma is pretty much in every Minnie cargo if he fights T2 tank oriented Amarr ships on any regular basis. Amarr ships generally have lower thermal/kinetic resists and Phased Plasma is pure Thermal/kinetic. Barrage will do in a pinch against an Amarr T2 tank, but Phased plasma is the ***nitz. Most Amarr ships will also focus on patching the Kinetic resist since while Minnies aren't rare, gallente ships with blasters are 13 a dozen and those deal kinetic damage at a 3/2 ratio. 2. It's quite difficult to patch the thermal hole properly on anything but the Damnation and Absolution without sacrificing overall tank. Zealots and Sacrileges, forget it. 3. The difficulty for a laser ship of getting through a T2 minnie shield tank (or shiver* armor tank) is simply atrocious. 75% base resists against our primary form of damage. Lovely, and lasers can't switch damage type. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Henny Tai Yes, because every vaga pilot's first ammo into his cargo is PP, and no amarr pilot has ever patched the thermal hole 1. Yes. Phased Plasma is pretty much in every Minnie cargo if he fights T2 tank oriented Amarr ships on any regular basis. Amarr ships generally have lower thermal/kinetic resists and Phased Plasma is pure Thermal/kinetic. Barrage will do in a pinch against an Amarr T2 tank, but Phased plasma is the ***nitz. Most Amarr ships will also focus on patching the Kinetic resist since while Minnies aren't rare, gallente ships with blasters are 13 a dozen and those deal kinetic damage at a 3/2 ratio. 2. It's quite difficult to patch the thermal hole properly on anything but the Damnation and Absolution without sacrificing overall tank. Zealots and Sacrileges, forget it. 3. The difficulty for a laser ship of getting through a T2 minnie shield tank (or shiver* armor tank) is simply atrocious. 75% base resists against our primary form of damage. Lovely, and lasers can't switch damage type. Switching to PP removes the falloff bonus. Falloff is life. I don't particularly like fighting T2 Amarr ships in my minnie ships. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:37:00 - [14] The resistance disadvantage far outweighs the the falloff disadvantage except at the farthest of ranges. Pick your range just outside of conflag/mf range and its no big deal.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Goumindong The resistance disadvantage far outweighs the the falloff disadvantage except at the farthest of ranges. Pick your range just outside of conflag/mf range and its no big deal. It's not the BIGGEST deal, but that doesn't mean I have to like getting in that close. =/ The capacity for screwing up becomes ridiculously high. Of course, I suppose the REAL problem is that I don't like to fly anything bigger than a cruiser. =/ Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Andrew Olaffsen	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:52:00 - [16] Arent the new ships like this and the marauders mostly PvE anyway?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.20 07:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Andrew Olaffsen Arent the new ships like this and the marauders mostly PvE anyway? You need to scram rats now???
Andrew Olaffsen	Posted - 2007.11.20 07:30:00 - [18] Ok well not that part....but everything else seems like a setup for PvE primarily. And who cares anyway...CCP will have the nerf monster ready about 2 months after trinity comes out anyway
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 08:43:00 - [19] killed a couple vagas and an eagle with it, it's lovely. Not a quick ship by any means, but designed as a capital tackler. Onxy is freaking evil if you want to look at sick tanks. and STFU about the EOS, it's firepower is still more than the claymore or HamNation and still has a good tank. EOS wasn't supposed to have Astarte/Sleipnir level firepower. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.20 09:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel 1. Yes. Phased Plasma is pretty much in every Minnie cargo if he fights T2 tank oriented Amarr ships on any regular basis. Amarr ships generally have lower thermal/kinetic resists and Phased Plasma is pure Thermal/kinetic. Barrage will do in a pinch against an Amarr T2 tank, but Phased plasma is the ***nitz. Most Amarr ships will also focus on patching the Kinetic resist since while Minnies aren't rare, gallente ships with blasters are 13 a dozen and those deal kinetic damage at a 3/2 ratio. The ship mentioned was a Vagabond. You do know what happens to Vagabonds who venture too close to webrange, don't you? The reason people fly them is to stay out* of webrange. Then again, someone said that the new Minmatar HIC is outganked (LOL!) by a Vaga, so . Yes, absolutely outganked by Vagas loading Hail M and going to 1km range, where the life expectancy of a Vaga is just lol. Furthermore, you'll patch your damn thermal hole if you want to fight vs Amarr,Minmatar, Gallente or Caldari. Incidentally, Minmatar T2 is totally craptastic for armour tanking due to two resistance holes - explosive and kinetic. Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel 2. It's quite difficult to patch the thermal hole properly on anything but the Damnation and Absolution without sacrificing overall tank. So patching the resist you will be hit on by Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari and Amarr (oh, and the highest damage drones as well) is not worth it for some reason? Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel 3. The difficulty for a laser ship of getting through a T2 minnie shield tank (or shiver armor tank) is simply atrocious. 75% base resists against our primary form of damage. Lovely, and lasers can't switch damage type. A T2 minmatar Armour tank means that you've got this huge explosive and kinetic hole which makes you very good against amarr and very bad against everything else. Kindof reminds me that our T2 ships are designed to hit Amarr. By the way, the shield tank vs Amarr is good, but not even close to the armour tank and leaves a kinetic hole for us to patch.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Cpt Branko So patching the resist you will be hit on by Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari and Amarr (oh, and the highest damage drones as well) is not worth it for some reason? le sigh Look. Every Amarr T2 ship worth its salt fits either a thermic hardener or a thermic membrane. But fitting two thermic hardeners/membranes is far less important than actually plugging your kinetic hole and upping your Explosive/EM resist just a bit more or you will be murdered even faster by the first Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari or Amarr that pops into overview. It's basically a choice between this: 1. Plug your thermal hole really well (take it up into the 80s) and end up being murdered by every gallente, amarr, minmatar or caldari ship coming around since you'll be owned by kinetic missiles, Barrage, EMP and Anti-matter. 2. Patch up your thermal resist (take it up into the 70s), improve your kinetic resists and pad up your EM/Exp a bit and end up at a strong disadvantage against minmatars anyway since they'll still have good effect with Phased Plasma. The smart minnie is the one that knows when it's a good idea to disengage or not take the fight at all. The even smarter minnie is the one that knows when he/she can win the fight by switching from barrage to Phased Plasma. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Cpt Branko So patching the resist you will be hit on by Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari and Amarr (oh, and the highest damage drones as well) is not worth it for some reason? le sigh Look. Every Amarr T2 ship worth its salt fits either a thermic hardener or a thermic membrane. But fitting two thermic hardeners/membranes is far less important than actually plugging your kinetic hole and upping your Explosive/EM resist just a bit more or you will be murdered even faster by the first Minmatar, Gallente, Caldari or Amarr that pops into overview. It's basically a choice between this: 1. Plug your thermal hole really well (take it up into the 80s) and end up being murdered by every gallente, amarr, minmatar or caldari ship coming around since you'll be owned by kinetic missiles, Barrage, EMP and Anti-matter. 2. Patch up your thermal resist (take it up into the 70s), improve your kinetic resists and pad up your EM/Exp a bit and end up at a strong disadvantage against minmatars anyway since they'll still have good effect with Phased Plasma. The smart minnie is the one that knows when it's a good idea to disengage or not take the fight at all. The even smarter minnie is the one that knows when he/she can win the fight by switching from barrage to Phased Plasma. Not to sound rude, but well over 1/3rd of all damage dealt in PVP is done by thermal drones. That discounts actual ammo.... and on some ships, you can have 600/300 thermal to other ratios. IMO, I'd patch the thermal hole because of the ubiquity of thermal damage on all races. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liet Traep Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.20 20:12:00 - [23] Edited by: Liet Traep on 20/11/2007 20:13:35 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Henny Tai 2. It's quite difficult to patch the thermal hole properly on anything but the Damnation and Absolution without sacrificing overall tank. Zealots and Sacrileges, forget it. I got to disagree with you here. I slap 2x EAN II's and a Energized Thermic II on my sac and all my resistances are over 80% and that's nice and passive. Same thing goes for the Damnation and Absolution. You can get a very nice tank on those. Zealot is a different story but it's designed to gank but not tank. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Liet Traep Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.21 00:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Futher Bezluden killed a couple vagas and an eagle with it, it's lovely. Not a quick ship by any means, but designed as a capital tackler. Onxy is freaking evil if you want to look at sick tanks. and STFU about the EOS, it's firepower is still more than the claymore or HamNation and still has a good tank. EOS wasn't supposed to have Astarte/Sleipnir level firepower. Broadsword looks scary good. I think that CCP screwed up and should have stuck with the same bonuses they gave the CS. Broadsword and Phobos should have active hardening bonuses instead of resistance bonuses. Broadsword looks like a mean, mean ship. Speaking of mean, nice bowel disruptor in your sig there Futher. you've inspired me to make a new sig. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.21 01:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Futher Bezluden killed a couple vagas and an eagle with it, it's lovely. Not a quick ship by any means, but designed as a capital tackler. Onxy is freaking evil if you want to look at sick tanks. and STFU about the EOS, it's firepower is still more than the claymore or HamNation and still has a good tank. EOS wasn't supposed to have Astarte/Sleipnir level firepower. dont forget you killed my cerb to (at least first try:)
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