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Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:11:00 - [1] I wish. Seriously, make it any system that has an average of over 400 pod pilots for say... a week or two, lowers its security status by 0.1 every week after that. When it drops to 0.4, people will leave, and then it can be raised backup each week by 0.1 to its original status. The reason is simple, the police cannot handle the load.
Die Unknown Amarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:14:00 - [2] Why?! If you don't like Jita, don't go there. We will always need an alpha hub and there will always be an alpha hub.. nothing can be done about that
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:16:00 - [3] Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:20:00 - [4] for a proper moon mineral market. or else you guys wouldn't be using t2 - putting the gist back into logistics
Matthew Cooper Minmatar Who What When Where Why and How	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Eval B'Stard Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? I'm confused. Are you in favor of, or against this idea? Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Eval B'Stard Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? We don't! But as the Devs have said time and again, us players created Jita, so they won't do anything about it. If they do do something, we'll just make another one. Remember Yunai? It's our nature to create a center of commerce. We have to live with it, or just don't go there. Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Eval B'Stard Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? It's convenient, basically. It might cost a few percent more than chasing over a whole region, but you can buy and fit a ship - any non-cap ship & fit - in 5 minutes. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Die Unknown Amarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:23:00 - [8] Same reason why renting a shop is more expensive in a city then say in some field. People want to by everything they need in one station, often paying more for the privilege. And traders will always try to sell where there are more people to sell to.. reason is obvious. That's why we will always have trading hubs.. and there will always be one trading hub busier then all the others.
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:23:00 - [9] easy to solve jita etc: limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Sarah Aubry I wish. Stop wishing. Don't go to Jita. ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc

Matthew Cooper Minmatar Who What When Where Why and How	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Ed Anger easy to solve jita etc: limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then. What would keep the teeming masses from huddling outside the stations waiting for their opening in the docking queue? Wouldn't that create even more lag with more people floating around in space? Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:27:00 - [12] And you know Jita's not even that bad now; CCP have done something and made it much much better than it used to be a few months ago. I was in there a few hours ago, with ~550 in local and the lag was noticeable but really not that much. Maybe a second or two. Just don't go there between Sunday DT and Monday DT and there's not much problem. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:27:00 - [13] +1, I think it would help curb the insanity that is Jita. I considered something like this for 0.0 once... except it was with the mineral cost of lost ships. Thus, if a major battle was going down, you might be more likely to find officer spawns there. Then I realized that pirates normally avoid huge fleets. ;-) Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Morn Judith Originally by: Eval B'Stard Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? We don't! But as the Devs have said time and again, us players created Jita, so they won't do anything about it. If they do do something, we'll just make another one. Remember Yunai? It's our nature to create a center of commerce. We have to live with it, or just don't go there. You don't remember Yulai? They did something. Since then they learned we will continue to make new ones - therefore they need a dynamic system to combat this. The alternative is they WASTE huge resources to maintain ONE central hub for all of eve which could be used to make the rest of eve smoother. A dynamic population based security status would solve this.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Sarah Aubry Originally by: Morn Judith Originally by: Eval B'Stard Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? We don't! But as the Devs have said time and again, us players created Jita, so they won't do anything about it. If they do do something, we'll just make another one. Remember Yunai? It's our nature to create a center of commerce. We have to live with it, or just don't go there. You don't remember Yulai? They did something. Since then they learned we will continue to make new ones - therefore they need a dynamic system to combat this. The alternative is they WASTE huge resources to maintain ONE central hub for all of eve which could be used to make the rest of eve smoother. A dynamic population based security status would solve this. By "huge resources", do you mean 'one of the many dozens of nodes that TQ has'? Given that Jita generally has 1.5-2.5% of all log-ins, I suspect it uses less than it's share of resources. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Sarah Aubry The alternative is they WASTE huge resources to maintain ONE central hub for all of eve which could be used to make the rest of eve smoother. A dynamic population based security status would solve this. Hardly a waste - one central hub is a natural development. Might as well support it well than waste time and effort trying to avoid an inevitability. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:42:00 - [17] I like jita I love the whines we get very sunday Join The Fight With Promo Today
Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:48:00 - [18] Originally by: sableye I like jita I love the whines we get very sunday Admit it though, a low sec Jita would be much more exciting. Assuming this caused a move of the masses to a new hub, then this new system would also quickly descend to low sec.
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.20 03:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Eval B'Stard Explain to me why we need an Alpha Hub ? I get everything I need without ever going to Jita (and very often cheaper than in Jita) so explain to me why we need Jita ? It's convenient, basically. It might cost a few percent more than chasing over a whole region, but you can buy and fit a ship - any non-cap ship & fit - in 5 minutes. I can do that in quite a few places around Empire, what we need is a few more places like Rens & Oursalert spread out around Empire rather than have the monster that is Jita. Know your universe and you'll never have to go to Jita ever again. ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:24:00 - [20] While the idea of fluctuating sec sounds cool it would really just be a hassle. --

Drake Dracoli Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:36:00 - [21] Sorry, but this game has to keep a grip on some realism. Why would the police force go away as MORE people came in? Should New York or Los Angeles have less police presence because more people live there? ------ \o/ Raise thy weapons on this day Ye shall not die alone Fight and die; let valkyries fly For they shall take thee home!
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Matthew Cooper Originally by: Ed Anger easy to solve jita etc: limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then. What would keep the teeming masses from huddling outside the stations waiting for their opening in the docking queue? Wouldn't that create even more lag with more people floating around in space? uh, right. people would rather sit in space for hours, or maybe, move to an adjacent system where they can get the same thing done without waiting?
Matthew Cooper Minmatar Who What When Where Why and How	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Ed Anger Originally by: Matthew Cooper Originally by: Ed Anger easy to solve jita etc: limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then. What would keep the teeming masses from huddling outside the stations waiting for their opening in the docking queue? Wouldn't that create even more lag with more people floating around in space? uh, right. people would rather sit in space for hours, or maybe, move to an adjacent system where they can get the same thing done without waiting? People already have reasons to go elsewhere, and yet they don't. Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
Lowanaera Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.20 04:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Roemy Schneider for a proper moon mineral market. or else you guys wouldn't be using t2 This primarily. While the sale of ships and modules can be spread out to a fair extent, the moon mineral and reaction market has such a high daily volume and especially high demand compared to supply that a central market is absolutely necessary.
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:00:00 - [25] Edited by: Tellenta on 20/11/2007 05:00:50 If you *****(<--sez crak) open the map you will see some hint on why jita is the way it is. While I tend to do my highsec shopping in ourseleart <sp> I do go to jita for those special shopping trips. The only way you can fix jita is to make the system less convieniant which will only cause another convieniant system be the new Jita. Or did you make this post because you havent read a good jita whine lately?
Ed Anger Weekly World News	Posted - 2007.11.20 05:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Matthew Cooper Originally by: Ed Anger Originally by: Matthew Cooper Originally by: Ed Anger easy to solve jita etc: limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then. What would keep the teeming masses from huddling outside the stations waiting for their opening in the docking queue? Wouldn't that create even more lag with more people floating around in space? uh, right. people would rather sit in space for hours, or maybe, move to an adjacent system where they can get the same thing done without waiting? People already have reasons to go elsewhere, and yet they don't. lag is not enough reason, obviously.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:05:00 - [27] Just logged my jita trade alt on with no problems other than a very slighty laggy market.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Ash Solar	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:08:00 - [28] I find Jita has everything I want in the highest quantities and for the lowest cost, such is the reason to exist of a trade hub. Jita rocks, tbh :)
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Ash Solar I find Jita has everything I want in the highest quantities and for the lowest cost, such is the reason to exist of a trade hub. Jita rocks, tbh :) Damn strait.. One stop shop with hundreds of vendors all undercutting each other for sales FTEW.. (for the epic win.. ) Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Neth'Rae Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.20 06:24:00 - [30] I don't see jita as a problem, and people who do are free to stay away from the system :P "th-ere.. w-as... re..ally.. a caa-ke.."



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