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swordz	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:21:00 - [1] hi as a caldari i have about equal train times to fly interceptors covert ops or a heavy assualt what would be best for me to train to start on the steep learning curve of pvp
Matalino Gallente Datacore Harvesting	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:22:00 - [2] Learn the PvP curve using T1 ships. T2 ships are expensive to replace. Otherwise it depends on what role you wish to play within PvP ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Mrs Rocks	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:44:00 - [3] get a raptor (6Misk), a decent t2 fitting (15Misk) and start scouting and searching targets for your gang. not so expensive, but very instructive and gratifyng :)
NCP S2	Posted - 2007.11.21 01:06:00 - [4] To learn PvP, here are some helpful hints: 1) Fly cheap. Plan on losing your ship, and if you are just getting into pvp, even if you are super rich, no one really likes throwing more ISK away than they have to. 2) Dedicate yourself in one direction, to start. Training for everything is fun and gives you versatility, but means you can do everything, but not any one thing very well. Pick which direction you think you would have the most fun in, and head that route. Combat, Tackling, EWAR, Probing, are the 4 basic routes I can think of when it comes to PvP. 3) Try to stay away from the "their ship is better than mine" mentality. This will drive you crazy, and you will constantly be thinking about this. Refer to step 2, and realize that there is no one ship catergory that beats everything. 4) Bring friends. One key for PvP, and especially for beginners, is the more friends you have the higher your success rates will be. 5) Have fun with it. As soon as it stops being fun, or more frustrating than it's worth, take a break from it. You can always come back to the universe of PvP with some more skills invested and likely do better. Catergories Explained Combat: This is broken down into several roles, but for simplicity we'll call them Gank and Tank. Gank means you are focusing on damage output in an attempt to destroy your target as fast as possible. You can be taken down relatively quick compared to tank ships, but your focus is breaking the targets tank. Tank means you are sacrificing some damage to be able to take a pounding. You will be able to take more damage and last longer, usually relying on friends to help deal more damage. Tackling: Locking down your target so they can not escape. Usually a role filled by Interceptors or Interdictors (in 0.0 space) this can also be filled with fast frigates or cruisers. Larger ships can tackle, but the smaller faster ships are usually designated to get the first and fastest scram on your target. Low damage output and low tankability, their speed prevents a lot of damage. EWAR: These ships prevent their targets from dealing damage, locking on other targets to help repair, or any other favourable action your enemy triest to achieve. Some of these ships are also used to help gang members deal their roles better, such as target painters to help deal more damage, or sensor boosters to help your gang members target faster or further. Usually low damage and tank, but locking their target down prevents them from being hit. Probing: These ships are used to track down targets in the vastness of space. They search and find their target, warp in and get as close as possible while cloaked, to allow their gang members to warp to them and attack the target. Great for finding targets in the vastness of space. Relatively nonexistant damage and tank, but cloaking prevents them from being hit. I know it's slightly off topic, but hopefully that helps you find your focus a little better.
Richard Ridddick Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.11.21 01:58:00 - [5] a pod...you'll quickly learn to enjoy the squishy sound and then want to return the favor
Falka Lakadaka Gallente BakaLakadaka Street	Posted - 2007.11.21 02:23:00 - [6] A mining barge or a T1 Industrial - if you can win that fight, you can win anything!! Seriously - get into a T1 frigate. Look up Agony Unleashed for their PvP university classes. They'll not only teach you how to fit a ship, but ground you on some tactics for a frigate fleet. They don't do much solo work, but the information is all good. I've done their basic course a couple of times (once you pay for one, you can tag along on future courses as a graduate) and their advanced course. Cheers Falka ________________________________________ Check out the Guides Sticky for answers to many questions
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc	Posted - 2007.11.21 02:41:00 - [7] Once you get into a player corp, your corp-mates can help you get a better handle on PvP without risking CONCORD crashing the party. (or getting an entire corp out hunting you down) Since you're learning with corpies, they'll be a little less likely to blow up all your ships, then pod you for laughs. When learning, stick with the cheap T1 frigs....even with friendly corpies, accidental ship destructions do happen. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.11.21 04:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Falka Lakadaka A mining barge or a T1 Industrial - if you can win that fight, you can win anything!! This actually isn't bad advice. The barge part can be expensive, but it's a great surprise to your opponent and a real bragging right with the kill mail. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Dez Erichs Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.21 08:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Falka Lakadaka Seriously - get into a T1 frigate. Look up Agony Unleashed for their PvP university classes. They'll not only teach you how to fit a ship, but ground you on some tactics for a frigate fleet. They don't do much solo work, but the information is all good. I've done their basic course a couple of times (once you pay for one, you can tag along on future courses as a graduate) and their advanced course. Thank you for the recommendation, Falka! Feel free to have a look in the link in my sig for more info about Agony Unleashed and the PvP University. If you have any questions, drop by the "AU_PVP_UNIVERSITY" ingame channel or send me a pm. Cheers! -Dez --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com, "Veni, Vidi, Caedi"
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.11.21 10:46:00 - [10] Edited by: Gealbhan on 21/11/2007 10:47:41 For learning purposes, fly cheap. Get into a Merlin. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Lauredris Maru Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.11.21 17:34:00 - [11] My 2 cents: Get to know your ship really well, and choose some specializations and know what your limits are. I love my Punisher, which is equipped for relatively long range combat. It rocks at 22-25km out. The closer I get, the weaker I get. Develop a strategy for dealing with this (in my case, I hotswap my laser crystals for something that drastically reducing range and increasing damage). Even so, I know I'm no good up close... I've got to stay out around 10km, maybe 7km minimum... or high-tail it out of there. I've spent most of my time getting to know the Punisher. It's a good ship, not exactly cheap (280K ISK or so) but very affordable for PvP. I'm not planning on taking its T2 cousin in any time soon though. At 4-6M ISK a pop, I'd hate to lose one.
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:26:00 - [12] As far as what is the best to learn....until you figure out what kind of ship you would rather pilot... get something like cruiser 5 or frig 5...that can only help in the long run. Additionally, train up the ewar skills (propulsion jamming, electronic warfare, sensor linking, etc). All of these skills will come in handy and are useful regardless of what ship you end up flying.
swordz	Posted - 2007.11.22 22:04:00 - [13] signed up for a pvp basic course with agony this weekend thanks for the advice
Super Hero	Posted - 2007.11.23 00:38:00 - [14] Thanks NCP. That's kind of what I'm doing, training for the interdictor, so that I'm helpfull when I join a corporation, but it's good to hear it from someone else that i'm on the right path.
Falka Lakadaka Gallente BakaLakadaka Street	Posted - 2007.11.23 03:32:00 - [15] Originally by: swordz signed up for a pvp basic course with agony this weekend thanks for the advice I might have to start charging Dez commission Cheers Falka ________________________________________ Check out the Guides Sticky for answers to many questions

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