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Keorythe
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Terra Rosa Militia
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Posted - 2007.11.20 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Keorythe on 20/11/2007 20:40:08
AK-47
M-16
Long history between those two rifles. Both have plus and minuses. Both have innovations and long service histories. Adopted by more countries than other other rifle in existance despite competition from by other rifle designs.
FN FAL
G3
Massive improvements over any other "battle rifle" there ever was at the time. Like the AK/M16 these two had a history of competetion between them. Good stock accuracy, ergonomics, and weight trumped the competition. Many countries still field these in some form or another and G3 sniper rifles are still highly sought after.
Spanish FR-8 (7mm Mauser)
Introduced to the Spanish during the American/Spanish war to counter the American fast loading Krag. It was cutting edge tech and geared similar to the AK-47 but with superior accuracy with the fancy new "smokeless powder". Easy to field strip and fast loading with new invention of the stripper clip. But then again...it was a Mauser who have dominated many of the bolt action markets.
M-1 Garand
Introduced during WWII. This was one of the first and most successful full sized semi-automatic battle rifles used (no submachines in this thread). Its rate of fire, ruggedness, and quick reload made it supremely more combat effective than other bolt action rifles.
Sturmgewehr 44
Argueably one of the first original "assault rifles" invented. 30 rounds magazines for a infantryman grade rifle was unheard of. Ergonomics, reloading speed, accuarcy, and hard hitting light cartridge were superior to anything else. Short service life since it was introduced near end of war. Hot debate still rages over whether or not the design was reworked to make the AK-47.
Steyr AUG
Beats out the L85 due to its early problems. Bullpups still aren't widely liked but that perception is slowly changing. So far only 4 bullpups known to be mass produced for militaries (L85, AUG, Tavor, Type 95). Gets props for innovation and design. Quick change barrel is a big bonus. Hasn't had many complaints while used in combat although that part is limited. Barely makes the list.
Now before you all go and start critizing my list or throwing in fancy new rifles like the F2000 or some Star Wars lasergun just remember that all of the rifles I listed above have been used in combat. Yes the new G36 is spiffy looking but has almost no combat behind it. There are no submachine guns on this list nor crew served weapons. No the M-14 was not added because it wasn't anything special. It was trumped by the g3 and FN FAL. Yes I'm an American.
p.s.- I dont know who came up with the criteria for that history channel Top 10 rifles but it was pure CRAP.
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Keorythe
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Terra Rosa Militia
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Posted - 2007.11.20 21:21:00 -
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Gotta throw in a bolt action there. Modern technology is great and all but you have to mention some of the old school rifles which really had an impact on the world. Yeah just because I never used one in combat doesn't mean I should overlook them.
Too many people have a "favorite" rifle based on flavor of the month tech instead of service history and effectiveness. I still laugh when gun magazine editors talk about how "bad" the M16 is despite so many countries trying to get their hands on them or their excellent effectivenss in combat (but but 1 ex-special forces no-name guy said they were bad!).
Waiting for the first monkey to post how the new Scar is soooo good on paper but has no combat history.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2007.11.22 22:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Grimpak
polish troops can carry a >20kg rifle that shoots heavy machinegun bullets and have nearly 2/3rds of your size ABOUT FOR ABOUT 10M FROM THE TROOP TRANSPORT.
Fixed! Like the Barret or any other anti-material rifle, they are rarely far from a troop transport or fixed location like a building or outpost. There is only so much weight that a soldier can carry in addition to their combat gear. 30lbs more than an M16 or AK makes ALOT of difference. Due to this most anti-material weapons rarely are taken on patrol and reserved for special need jobs or as stand off weapons. Even special forces except under special circumstances are reluctant to carry the thing due to its weight when an old .308 round will do the job. Save the superman stories for when in the FOB or in an armchair.
Now while the anti-material rifles are big and make loud booms and can cut a person in half...they are fairly ineffective on the battlefield except in the hands of specialists. You dont stalk and snipe in a firefight. You rarely get targets at long ranges with uncluttered fields of fire in urban settings. They are difficult to deploy quickly.
Also, M1A1 was an upgrade for the M1 Garand. Changes only recently made to it in the past few years have been available to the G3 and FN FAL for a while. I'm just not that impressed by it. The only reason it was issued as a DM rifle was because it was medium caliber rifle in our inventories at the time.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2007.11.25 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHawk177
The wonders of working for law enforcement... no firearms restrictions ^_^
Not true at all. Most law enforcement agencies in the US have restrictions on what kind of weapons can be carried even by their SWAT teams. Silencers, full auto, and extra large calibers (no desert eagles) are pretty much banned. Just recently a big article was posted about some city or state finally allowing their police to carry M-16 style weapons after a shoot out went bad. You'd think they would have learned from California's mistake already.
Of course the .308 is better than the 5.56mm. Its a bigger bullet. Its also heavier, can't be fired in bursts effectively (M-16 3 round burst is pretty accurate even standing with 5.56 ammo), and doesn't kill people any better in urban combat ranges (100-150m) than either the 5.56mm or 7.62x39 (AK round) despite what your favorite gun magazine editor wants to tell you. Actually at 100m or less the 5.56mm fragmentation characteristics make it more effective than a .308.
Both the P-90 and the BAR are weapons classed as "other than rifle". The P-90 is a submachinegun. The BAR is the US's first attempt at a Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), weighed close to 30lbs, and was never intended to be accurate. Its rate of fire was adored, everything else was not.
I am a gun freak. I am one of those hyper accuracy nuts who likes to hit targets at 900yrds and thinks that 100 rounds in a day is "ALOT of shooting" as opposed to 10,000. Yes I grasp gun engineering or gunsmithing concepts and can rebore a barrel. No I wont rebore yours. No I dont make enough to be a dedicated benchtester 
The guns used in Colombine were pretty much stock junk with cheap fmj bullets. But then again when you've got a group of people that packed together a semi-sharp $20 highlander viking ninja sword from Walmart could do just as much damage or more. Keep politics out of this discussion which is about BEST RIFLES.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:19:00 -
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The Enfield like the M14 is one of those rifles I scratch my head and wonder "why do people think it was so good"? Other than its extreme service life there are no features that make it better than other bolt actions of its time. It wasn't the most accurate nor the most used except by British colonial types. Heck its enlarged feed tray which allowed fast action of the bolt caused as many jams as automatic rifles today when people tried to fire it super fast. I still remember that Indiana Jones and the temple of doom part where the Indian calvary arrives and one guy rapid fires his Enfield. Then stovepipes the 4th shot and causes a really bad jam.
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