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Sinsalura
id TECH
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:02:00 -
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From the development forum:
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
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Just to correct these points. As it stands on Sisi at the moment, the following applies:-
* The bubble effect works the same as interdictor bubbles do, only it is attached to the Heavy Interdictor itself. * When the focusing script is loaded, the disruptor works like a regular warp disruptor, however it ignores the warp core strength of the target ship and will scramble anything.
As it stands on sisi now, HIC's will introduce a fundamental change to the balance between warp disruption and stabilizers, which will especially be relevant to empire low-sec as the HIC can currently, with its focusing script, tackle anything (not just MOM's in lowsec), irrelevant of how many stabs it has, anywhere in EVE.
Pirates rejoice, carebears run for the hills. I don't know what CCP's objectives with a core change like this (aside from obviously making MOM's vulnerable in lowsec), as it only contradicts their previous efforts to get people to leave high sec. ~ id TECH ~ now recruiting |
Icy Z
Superstars from Outer Space
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Icy Z on 21/11/2007 13:07:04 Sooooooooooooooooooooo ?
WCSs are for tha chickens. A good camp with da pretteh bubbles will stops ya anyways. Yeah, not in lowsec, me knows. But think of em poor piwats, will yas.
Also, my exotic dancas do it without stabs.... thought this might interest ya.
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Wideen
Eon Project
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:20:00 -
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I actually think you have a point, as CCP has made it clear before that they want people to venture to low sec, so they try to insert more goodies to low sec.
For instance, in trinity they're adding the booster harvesting or whatever it's called, which will be placed in low sec, but if they keep adding to the dangers of entering low sec space, and the HIC is a great obstacle to that objective.
That's not saying they shouldn't have the HICs, just saying it just got a lot harder.
Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:39:00 -
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Yeh tbh the HIC (i really dont like that acronym) is really gonna make low sec a pain. Ill wait and see how widely deployed they are first though before i start making nerf threads :D
On a light note who votes for a return to calling it the hactordictor.
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Sarah Aubry
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sarah Aubry on 21/11/2007 13:40:51 Unlikely it will be like this on TQ, but we can hope :)
Next step is moving all L4's to low sec or 0.0
PS its hactor not HIC.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:48:00 -
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Not only is it a reasonably expensive ship that cant kill anything by itself it also has major cap issues. Its not really that amazing. ---------------------------------
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ISD Valorem
Amarr ISD STAR
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:53:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Ships and Modules
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08891
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:57:00 -
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It's a specialized ship. Deal with it.
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Odium47
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Posted - 2007.11.21 13:58:00 -
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Does this mean we will get the old Vagabond back? Or will everyone fly interdictors?
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Insidi Us
Amarr Suicidal Mercenaries Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:09:00 -
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And don't forget the blurb from the latest dev blog, which says that the speed and sig penalties don't apply while the focused scrambler script is loaded (still no remote rep).
Oh, and the nickname is hactors.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:10:00 -
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Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |
Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 21/11/2007 14:43:18 Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 21/11/2007 14:41:43 The HInt (how about that?) with its i-win ray of uberness is a true sign of incompetence and stupidity in my eyes. Never before has CCP done something so idiotic. And I say this as a, then very annoyed, eye witness of the crap they pulled off with the T15+5 issue.
I am (besides other professions) a trader, regularly running "smuggler" routes into low-sec. Its a risky job, giving lots of fun. Sometimes you win (outsmart a camp or manage to avoid them) sometimes you loose.
With the planned changes, there is nothing, an industrial pilot could do to pass any gatecamp, besides those of total noobs not able to fly a HInt. The trade routes between high-sec and low-sec will effectively be broken. Everyone telling us industrial pilots to adapt (or spilling wisdom like "wcs is for sissys anyhow") has obviously never really done any trading between these regions. Or is just generally clueless.
There is no way to force me into low-sec or 0.0. As it is now, I will just loose part of what makes eve fun to me and stop going there. Well, thats the way the cookie crumbles. Encouraging people to go there is done differently.
To whoever had this brilliant idea at CCP: EPIC FAIL! Please go away and get yourself a job you are acutally fit for, instead of breaking our gaming experience and needlessly ruining our fun. I hear the icelandic whaleing fleet might have open positions for potato peelers.
Edit: Why hide this thread from the "general" channel? Afraid of the heat?
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Nasair
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Thaneal Swiftbird Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 21/11/2007 14:41:43 The HInt (how about that?) with its i-win ray of uberness is a true sign of incompetence and stupidity in my eyes. Never before has CCP done something so idiotic. And I say this as a, then very annoyed, eye witness of the crap they pulled off with the T15+5 issue.
I am (besides other professions) a trader, regularly running "smuggler" routes into low-sec. Its a risky job, giving lots of fun. Sometimes you win (outsmart a camp or manage to avoid them) sometimes you loose.
With the planned changes, there is nothing, an industrial pilot could do to pass any gatecamp, besides those of total noobs not able to fly a HInt. The trade routes between high-sec and low-sec will effectively be broken. Everyone telling us industrial pilots to adapt (or spilling wisdom like "wcs is for sissys anyhow") has obviously never really done any trading between these regions. Or is just generally clueless.
There is no way to force me into low-sec or 0.0. As it is now, I will just loose part of what makes eve fun to me and stop going there. Well, thats the way the cookie crumbles. Encouraging people to go there is done differently.
To whoever had this brilliant idea at CCP: EPIC FAIL! Please go away and get yourself a job you are acutally fit for, instead of breaking our gaming experience and needlessly ruining our fun. I hear the iclandic whaleing fleet might have open positions for potato peelers.
Edit: Why hide this thread from the "general" channel? Afraid of the heat?
I'll respond to your flame with cool water of logic.
Heavy interdictors have cruiser locking time, a blockade runner fitted properly will get past it. Since this ship and friends would be a blockade, thats not too unbalanced really and represents a significant isk/training/organisation cost. Your ordinary 500k isk industrials will not make it though. Tough. Use the safer high sec routes.
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Nasair
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
And?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nasair
Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
And?
Since you are devoid of any remote assistance mods while using the bubble generator, it may prove very useful to fit for max tank. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |
Hugh Ruka
Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nasair
Originally by: Thaneal Swiftbird Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 21/11/2007 14:41:43 The HInt (how about that?) with its i-win ray of uberness is a true sign of incompetence and stupidity in my eyes. Never before has CCP done something so idiotic. And I say this as a, then very annoyed, eye witness of the crap they pulled off with the T15+5 issue.
I am (besides other professions) a trader, regularly running "smuggler" routes into low-sec. Its a risky job, giving lots of fun. Sometimes you win (outsmart a camp or manage to avoid them) sometimes you loose.
With the planned changes, there is nothing, an industrial pilot could do to pass any gatecamp, besides those of total noobs not able to fly a HInt. The trade routes between high-sec and low-sec will effectively be broken. Everyone telling us industrial pilots to adapt (or spilling wisdom like "wcs is for sissys anyhow") has obviously never really done any trading between these regions. Or is just generally clueless.
There is no way to force me into low-sec or 0.0. As it is now, I will just loose part of what makes eve fun to me and stop going there. Well, thats the way the cookie crumbles. Encouraging people to go there is done differently.
To whoever had this brilliant idea at CCP: EPIC FAIL! Please go away and get yourself a job you are acutally fit for, instead of breaking our gaming experience and needlessly ruining our fun. I hear the iclandic whaleing fleet might have open positions for potato peelers.
Edit: Why hide this thread from the "general" channel? Afraid of the heat?
I'll respond to your flame with cool water of logic.
Heavy interdictors have cruiser locking time, a blockade runner fitted properly will get past it. Since this ship and friends would be a blockade, thats not too unbalanced really and represents a significant isk/training/organisation cost. Your ordinary 500k isk industrials will not make it though. Tough. Use the safer high sec routes.
Our saviour ... and when will sensor boosters and sensor linke be removed to prevent the HID/HINT/HIC to get better lock times ???
Originally by: Aravel Thon
Originally by: Nith Batoxxx Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............
I am so so terribly sorry...
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Arana Tellen on 21/11/2007 14:52:33
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Nasair
Originally by: Thaneal Swiftbird Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 21/11/2007 14:41:43 The HInt (how about that?) with its i-win ray of uberness is a true sign of incompetence and stupidity in my eyes. Never before has CCP done something so idiotic. And I say this as a, then very annoyed, eye witness of the crap they pulled off with the T15+5 issue.
I am (besides other professions) a trader, regularly running "smuggler" routes into low-sec. Its a risky job, giving lots of fun. Sometimes you win (outsmart a camp or manage to avoid them) sometimes you loose.
With the planned changes, there is nothing, an industrial pilot could do to pass any gatecamp, besides those of total noobs not able to fly a HInt. The trade routes between high-sec and low-sec will effectively be broken. Everyone telling us industrial pilots to adapt (or spilling wisdom like "wcs is for sissys anyhow") has obviously never really done any trading between these regions. Or is just generally clueless.
There is no way to force me into low-sec or 0.0. As it is now, I will just loose part of what makes eve fun to me and stop going there. Well, thats the way the cookie crumbles. Encouraging people to go there is done differently.
To whoever had this brilliant idea at CCP: EPIC FAIL! Please go away and get yourself a job you are acutally fit for, instead of breaking our gaming experience and needlessly ruining our fun. I hear the iclandic whaleing fleet might have open positions for potato peelers.
Edit: Why hide this thread from the "general" channel? Afraid of the heat?
I'll respond to your flame with cool water of logic.
Heavy interdictors have cruiser locking time, a blockade runner fitted properly will get past it. Since this ship and friends would be a blockade, thats not too unbalanced really and represents a significant isk/training/organisation cost. Your ordinary 500k isk industrials will not make it though. Tough. Use the safer high sec routes.
Our saviour ... and when will sensor boosters and sensor linke be removed to prevent the HID/HINT/HIC to get better lock times ???
Oh so you mean you cant be invunerable in one ship to a highly organised gang fitted with the sole purpose of taking you out You still warp so fast that you have a good chance of getting away. ---------------------------------
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2007.11.21 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nasair Edited by: Nasair on 21/11/2007 14:50:47
Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
And? It costs twice as much (not even counting insurance) and requires more training and has worse damage.
Damage on this ship is totaly irrelevant, as his main role is to scramble up to 30km with infinite warp scram strenght module.
Originally by: Aravel Thon
Originally by: Nith Batoxxx Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............
I am so so terribly sorry...
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Nasair Edited by: Nasair on 21/11/2007 14:50:47
Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
And? It costs twice as much (not even counting insurance) and requires more training and has worse damage.
Damage on this ship is totaly irrelevant, as his main role is to scramble up to 30km with infinite warp scram strenght module.
True, it needs a gang to be effective. So its not as if you are find individuals killing all trade ships. ---------------------------------
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Natalie Jax
Indecision Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:12:00 -
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The problem most people have isn't that it has the ability to make a tight gate-camp, it's that it can create a tight gate-camp with far fewer ships. I've seen people posting all kinds of crazy camp setups with the Lachesis plus three or four ships supporting it. It was possible before to lay 8 points of scram on any ship in damn short order while surviving gate guns (remote repping the Lach).
This one ship will essentially have enough power, and enough tank, to replace two or more ships that are normally needed for a "well organized" gate-camp to be highly successful. It's not that this ship/module creates a gate-camping situation that doesn't exist now, it's that this one ship makes it easier to create a highly effective gate-camp.
I think the situation is adaptable though. Yes, unsupported haulers will have a rough time, WCS aren't as key as other GTFO modules and rigs. However, I'm willing to reserve judgement on this one. After all, how much tank is this Hactor going to have left after gate-gun fire and the Sensor Boosters it will need to get a fast lock time? Fit a massive PST and it's gonna lock slow as hell, fit for fast lock and your T2 tank is likely gonna be tight.
It'll be expensive, it'll be primary target, it'll be taking gate-fire. We'll have to see. I agree it's concerning on several fronts though.
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Exlegion
Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:17:00 -
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Pirates, industrialists, and carebears alike should be concerned about this ship making it to TQ. Think low sec is empty now? Wait a few months after the deployment of the HIC.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru |
Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nasair
I'll respond to your flame with cool water of logic.
Heavy interdictors have cruiser locking time, a blockade runner fitted properly will get past it. Since this ship and friends would be a blockade, thats not too unbalanced really and represents a significant isk/training/organisation cost. Your ordinary 500k isk industrials will not make it though. Tough. Use the safer high sec routes.
Thanks for the water.
You do know that these ships can easily be fitted to reach frigate-like locking times I suppose? And I bet you do know the sig-radius of industrials? Not to mention the time they take to warp? Its quite easy math there...
Using high-sec routes is a smart way to avoid this problem though. Especially when my (a bit overheated maybe) post was about trade routes into low-sec and how CCP repeatedly stated they would like to bring people into those regions.
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:36:00 -
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If the Transport ships were immune to the targeted effect only then that would really make them worth flying. Can still be locked down if you get enough points on, and bubbles still prevent them from warping.
otherwise this will really lock down low sec movement of goods.
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.11.21 15:45:00 -
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If the HInt in its current design makes it into TQ it might even be an idea to just scrap low-sec completely. Why have space where no one would go anyhow?
If all space was either high-sec or true 0.0, then we could at least go and hunt down gatecampers, like such scum was dealt with in ye olden times.
Without the sec-hit we now get for trying to protect our assets.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.11.21 16:03:00 -
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Currently this is a very poor design, clumsily aimed at fixing the 'caps in low sec' problem.
But obviously having an infinitely strong warp scrambler on a ship that can obtain frigate locking speeds and that renders blockade runners pointless is a bad idea, and a totally illogical one.
I don't quite see why CCP wants to make low sec even *less* appealing for players to go to. Only idiots will haul stuff through low sec now: before you had enough WCS strength to avoid small gate camps, but now all it takes is a single HIC to stop you in your tracks, with no skill you can train or module you can equip or rig you can fit to overcome it. That's just bad game mechanics.
I suggest at the very least giving transport ships a built in bonus to allow them to counter an infinite scrambler. Regular industrials will die like flies of course.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.11.21 16:05:00 -
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Imo if that goes live on tq the only difference between losec and 0.0 would be the standing loss one might suffer. This change is therefore pretty idiotic imo and just forces more ppl to blob than is already the case.
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.11.21 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
I suggest at the very least giving transport ships a built in bonus to allow them to counter an infinite scrambler. Regular industrials will die like flies of course.
so that a blockade runner could run a blockade? Heresy!
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Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
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Posted - 2007.11.21 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
You Sir, are telling lies. Simple as that and I didn't expected it from somebody like you tbh.
Broadsword gets a wicked tank for a cruiser, just like the Onyx will have, but with 14k HP (with 4 LSE that is) and 80ish Resists is nowhere near a Drakes passive tank. The recharge-rate is equal to the Drake, but the Drake has 10k HP more. .
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.11.21 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok
Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
You Sir, are telling lies. Simple as that and I didn't expected it from somebody like you tbh.
Broadsword gets a wicked tank for a cruiser, just like the Onyx will have, but with 14k HP (with 4 LSE that is) and 80ish Resists is nowhere near a Drakes passive tank. The recharge-rate is equal to the Drake, but the Drake has 10k HP more.
Drake, with 4*LSE2, 2*invu2: 19961 shields, resists 61.2 EM / 69.0 TH / 76.7 KI / 84.5 EX. 73.5k effective shield HP according to EFT. Broadsword, 4*LSE, 2*invu2: 15103 shields, resists 89.7 EM / 84.5 TH / 76.7 KI / 84.5 EX. 93.4k effective shield HP according to EFT. -- Gradient forum |
bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.11.21 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Grytok
Originally by: Sokratesz Also note that the broadsword can field a better passive tank than a drake.
You Sir, are telling lies. Simple as that and I didn't expected it from somebody like you tbh.
Broadsword gets a wicked tank for a cruiser, just like the Onyx will have, but with 14k HP (with 4 LSE that is) and 80ish Resists is nowhere near a Drakes passive tank. The recharge-rate is equal to the Drake, but the Drake has 10k HP more.
Drake, with 4*LSE2, 2*invu2: 19961 shields, resists 61.2 EM / 69.0 TH / 76.7 KI / 84.5 EX. 73.5k effective shield HP according to EFT. Broadsword, 4*LSE, 2*invu2: 15103 shields, resists 89.7 EM / 84.5 TH / 76.7 KI / 84.5 EX. 93.4k effective shield HP according to EFT.
That gives the Broadsword a larger effective HP buffer AGAINST LASERS. Against kinetic or explosive it has less effective HP than the Drake.
With equal shield recharge times the Drake will have a higher peak shield recharge due to its higher base HP.
Swings and roundabouts really.
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