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Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:46:00 -
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Trolling would virtually stop if we could moderate our own forum threads. Give the thread creator the ability to delete questionable/offensive posts without having to involve CCP moderator intervention all the time.
Some sections would be exempt, like Features and Ideas where all community input is needed to get an accurate assessment of where everyone stands. CCP Mods would still have to deal with the trolls in those sections.
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Hans Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:30:00 -
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Not sure if serious.
Your "Idea" would kill any constructive discussion. Bad comments would get deleted, good ones supported. This is no base for discussion.
No, just no. |
Hans Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:31:00 -
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Hans Momaki wrote:Not sure if serious.
Your "Idea" would kill any constructive discussion. Bad comments would get deleted, good ones supported. This is no base for discussion.
No, just no.
Edit: Mods are there for a reason. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:04:00 -
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Yeah this would allow for too much selective moderating.
What needs to happen is for CCP to have a team of volunteers to moderate... oh wait... |
Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:08:00 -
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Hans Momaki wrote:Not sure if serious.
Im quite serious. Yes, it's a double edged sword but it would make for a more civil and friendly forum environment.
Corina Jarr wrote:Yeah this would allow for too much selective moderating.
That is why no all sections would apply....Like I said.
It would be up to CCP to decide which sections of the forum require full community input and which ones are just trolling grounds.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
549
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:14:00 -
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Let me explain exactly what would happen.
Person A makes a ridiculously stupid thread in GD about something (lets say removing all of Concord and making a button that anyone can press to eject someone from a station).
Person B, and C, and D post very calm and constructive thoughts on why this is bad.
Person E says its a great idea.
Person A deletes the posts of those that disagreed with him.
It removes any sort of thread integrity, no matter what section this is done in.
If you need more examples, just ask, and I will provide. |
LeHarfang
Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:17:00 -
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Mods have to stay neutral in the discussion, like it has been said. Their job is to moderate, not censor. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:26:00 -
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Op is just upset about posts made in response to hers on other threads. The sense of entitlement is stifling. in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:39:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Op is just upset about posts made in response to hers on other threads. The sense of entitlement is stifling.
Thanks for proving my point.
More off topic banter please.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:42:00 -
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It's not off topic at all, I'm merely discussing your motivations for wanting this change. You opened this thread, it is a forum after all. in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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LeHarfang
Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:52:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:It's not off topic at all, I'm merely discussing your motivations for wanting this change. You opened this thread, it is a forum after all.
Motivations dont matter, only the topic at hand. |
Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:04:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Let me explain exactly what would happen.
Person A makes a ridiculously stupid thread in GD about something (lets say removing all of Concord and making a button that anyone can press to eject someone from a station).
Person B, and C, and D post very calm and constructive thoughts on why this is bad.
Person E says its a great idea.
Person A deletes the posts of those that disagreed with him.
It removes any sort of thread integrity, no matter what section this is done in.
If you need more examples, just ask, and I will provide.
You forget that in such a case, opposing views can be posted in an entirely new thread. You will have a forum with pro/con threads so eventually everyone's voice (except the trolls) will be heard.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:07:00 -
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it leads to more dumb threads like this one
no thanks! andski for csm7~ |
Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:13:00 -
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Andski wrote:it leads to more dumb threads like this one
no thanks!
But imagine being able to delete "dumb" replies like yours which added nothing to the topic nor explained how.
BTW, who made you lord and master of EVE forum topics by declaring them "dumb?"
Imagine that..a Goon calling others dumb. Oh the irony. |
LeHarfang
Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:18:00 -
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It's already in the rules that insults and disrespectful comments arent allowed. There just is'nt enough mods active in here. |
Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:23:00 -
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LeHarfang wrote:It's already in the rules that insults and disrespectful comments arent allowed. There just is'nt enough mods active in here.
Especially on weekends.
The problem is people will hide behind -I was just stating my opinion- excuse, when it's just blatant trolling. You can give an opinion without being insulting, and if you cant then your comments will be deleted anyway instead of waiting on mods to play parent.
How often have I read a mod comment that basically said..."play nice now children."
My idea puts the children to bed early so the adults can talk. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:36:00 -
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Not supported for the reasons specified above.
"Civil" discourse comes to people who can take criticism... regardless of the form it takes... and work with it. Looking through your posts/threads, you do nothing but pontificate your views and refuse to acknowledge thoughts, facts, and experiences that run counter to your own. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 05:39:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: "Civil" discourse comes to people who can take criticism... regardless of the form it takes...
There is a difference between taking criticism and taking insults.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:24:00 -
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Nooma K'Larr wrote:There is a difference between taking criticism and taking insults.
Poh-tay-toe... poh-tah-toe... "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:26:00 -
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Someone made a post contradicting my utterly moronic idea. Time to delete it, can't have people criticising me. |
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Nooma K'Larr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:36:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Nooma K'Larr wrote:There is a difference between taking criticism and taking insults.
Poh-tay-toe... poh-tah-toe...
Thanks for adding nothing to the thread.
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Someone made a post contradicting my utterly moronic idea. Time to delete it, can't have people criticising me.
Apparently there is a reading comprehension problem here. Did I say anything about "contradicting" or "criticizing" views?
Seems some of you cant distinguish between constructive criticism and trolling which you continue to do with comments such as these. Again, CCP...these people are proving my point. The thread is getting bogged down with comments with no content.
Enter the mod to clean up the thread and tell us all to "play nice." |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2012.01.31 07:39:00 -
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Nooma K'Larr wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Nooma K'Larr wrote:There is a difference between taking criticism and taking insults.
Poh-tay-toe... poh-tah-toe... Thanks for adding nothing to the thread. Vimsy Vortis wrote:Someone made a post contradicting my utterly moronic idea. Time to delete it, can't have people criticising me. Apparently there is a reading comprehension problem here. Did I say anything about "contradicting" or "criticizing" views? Seems some of you cant distinguish between constructive criticism and trolling which you continue to do with comments such as these. Again, CCP...these people are proving my point. The thread is getting bogged down with comments with no content. Enter the mod to clean up the thread and tell us all to "play nice."
*sighs*
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Okay... since you seem hellbent on drawing this out...
Learn how to "read between the lines." It's a very, very, VERY useful skill used in everyday conversation to give advice, criticism, point out flaws in something, or even suggest that there might be something better without overtly attacking the idea/person itself. "Sarcasm" is another method to point how a flaw in a given system, idea, thought , etc. that should essentially be self-evident.
Beyond this... you say our posts in this thread "prove your point." Well, this works both ways. Your text also proves the point(s) of many who have posted in this thread... that your idea would effectively allow OPs to censor "their" thread of any dissenting remarks, comments they personally found offensive (which is a VERY subjective thing I might add), and/or remove people/comments they do not like/do not understand (I can tell that my potato crack whizzed right over your head).
Your counter to this is that people can create their own threads and do the same, only with the opposing viewpoints. Not only would this increase forum clutter (which is pretty bad IMO), but it would polarize people more than they already are, stifle actual discussion more than they already are, and pretty much give people the ability to "stroke their egos" and/or give plainly false info and not be called out on it (which, on principle, I cannot support).
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I like potatoes. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.01.31 07:49:00 -
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Nooma K'Larr wrote:Enter the mod to clean up the thread and tell us all to "play nice." You are playing nice, mind you GÇö all of you. Looking through the thread, I can't find anything that qualifies as an actual insult on the interwebs; there's no need to delete innocuous posts merely for disagreeing with the OP.
If you believe that your thread became heavily infested with spacefaring trolls, please let us know by flagging the allegedly offensive posts; at the same time, please note that the lack of immediate action on part of the mods might mean that they chose not to act on your report.
Since moving this thread out of F&I would be... cruel, I'll just lock it. ISD Grossvogel (ISD -ô-Ç-+-ü-ü-ä-+-¦-¦-+-î) Captain, Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department |
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