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Don Omar	Posted - 2007.11.22 15:10:00 - [1] Well i think this question was asked few dozen times but i missed the answer from a dev. Now that HIc's are comming out. How can titans defend it's self? Yeah titan's shouldn't be sitting alone but the way Seleene's titan was poped you know you just need to by lucky to scan it done when it logs off and when he logs in people just cyno in caps and pop it. How can a titan now defend itself while if dicotors can tank it HIC's won't have a problem and you won't need specced dictors just waiting to bubble a titan. The only use of titans are just the Jump portal or did i miss something. I there won't be only 1 HIC so you can just netu one and then go .. people will have enough HIC to hold a titan down while the others are killing him... Yeah not enough carriers can rep the dmg ammout dealt by some dreads in siege. Sorry if it sounds like a whine... consider what ever you want.. just trying to understand things.
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.22 15:25:00 - [2] don't even log in without a fleet, else people will abuse it and use it for solo projects deep in their territory where enemy capitals cannot reach due to cyno jammers if you don't like the way the titan was meant to be used, refine it.
Cosmo Raata Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.22 15:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Mr Broker don't even log in without a fleet, else people will abuse it and use it for solo projects deep in their territory where enemy capitals cannot reach due to cyno jammers if you don't like the way the titan was meant to be used, refine it. Typical response from someone who will never own/use a Titan. The problem is the only ones that think Titans need help are those that have flown them and the ones that think Titans are fine are those that belong to alliances that dont have one. Titan Owners<<<<<<Non-Titan Owners. CCP just has to man up and change it despite people like this claiming how they should be used without any real clue. Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr!
Don Omar	Posted - 2007.11.22 15:54:00 - [4] Do people take lag into cosideration ... ? I shure the devs have been in fleet battels where they didn't lagged with 10mins module delay and after 1h wake up in a station and the only thing they did was starring the monitor:-s And i can't afford a titan.. but i'm wondering on how things are working:-s
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.11.22 16:29:00 - [5] Edited by: Gnulpie on 22/11/2007 16:30:12 Originally by: Cosmo Raata Originally by: Mr Broker don't even log in without a fleet, else people will abuse it and use it for solo projects deep in their territory where enemy capitals cannot reach due to cyno jammers if you don't like the way the titan was meant to be used, refine it. Typical response from someone who will never own/use a Titan. The problem is the only ones that think Titans need help are those that have flown them and the ones that think Titans are fine are those that belong to alliances that dont have one. Titan Owners<<<<<<Non-Titan Owners. CCP just has to man up and change it despite people like this claiming how they should be used without any real clue. Besides Cosmo Raata's ranting I also think it is ridiculous that a 100+ bil ship is completely defenceless against a few mil ship. The remote doomsday was stupid and the devs gladly changed it. But they did too much, the supercapitals (also the motherships) are too weak now. Especially since their warfare immunity is gone now with the HIC's. I don't think that HIC's are really balanced, they need a nerf
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.22 18:43:00 - [6] Personally i would like to see them made only tacklable by HICs if they must be tackled by anything.
nemississ Kissaki Confederation	Posted - 2007.11.23 00:44:00 - [7] personally i think a 100bill isk ship should be more than a golified command ship. I mean personally ive never engaged with on on my side or one against me BUT i may be wrong on this but mabe just mabe the titans and moms should be given some other tactical uses. The moms might get a bit of a boost but the titan really needs some work they take months to build hundreds of thousands of man hours to produce and all that they can do is use is a giant smart bomb which aparantly is tankable give fleet bonuses and work as a portable cyno bridge. Now these are all handy tools But you dont say the thing should be a bit more powerfull for what it does why not give it the ability to cyno jamm a system for a certain amount of time mabe a siege mode type modual where they are unsuportable and it uses up fuel. Mabe a anti pos battery that does insane amount of damage to a pos but again costs fuel and is extremly unacurate so hitting anything that moves would be near impossible. (would give us somthing to use those stealth generators for pos's for.) Frankly i have no clue what else you coudl do with it but the thing is a bit underpowered for the pricetag. atm all i hear titans are being used for is fleet bonuses, haulers and portable cyno bridges As well as a sign of power which of course is because of its price tag.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.11.23 07:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Cosmo Raata Originally by: Mr Broker don't even log in without a fleet, else people will abuse it and use it for solo projects deep in their territory where enemy capitals cannot reach due to cyno jammers if you don't like the way the titan was meant to be used, refine it. Typical response from someone who will never own/use a Titan. The problem is the only ones that think Titans need help are those that have flown them and the ones that think Titans are fine are those that belong to alliances that dont have one. Titan Owners<<<<<<Non-Titan Owners. CCP just has to man up and change it despite people like this claiming how they should be used without any real clue. I disagree man. ive never flown a titan and i still think they are in desperate need of a boost. But good luck getting one from ccp. These days they arent interested in rewarding peeps/corps/alliances for there time and energy in case it will give them any kind of advantage over the casual players whove been playing for 3 months and will be leaving in two. What is the fraking point in dictors being able to tank doomsdays? How to fix titans. 1. Alter the doomsday so its not based on damage. any non-capital that gets hhit by it is destroyed. Capitals the get caught in the blast loose half of there remaining hitpoints. 2. introduce a second super weapon that can be fired once every 24 hrs. This can instantly destroy any ship hit by it, even another titan but takes 8 mineuts to charge before it fires. It can also reinforce a pos in one shot or destroy it if it has just come out of reinforced. 3. give it mundane station services and allow people to dock at it. job done ok so some of these are massivly drastic. but for god sake ccp do somthing. how can the most impressive and uber ship in the game be so pointless
TheSystem Caldari The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.23 07:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Gyle 2. introduce a second super weapon that can be fired once every 24 hrs. This can instantly destroy any ship hit by it, even another titan but takes 8 mineuts to charge before it fires. It can also reinforce a pos in one shot or destroy it if it has just come out of reinforced. DEATH STAR :DDDDD
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.23 08:23:00 - [10] if a flycatcher can survive a titan DD... eve is just borked beyond belief. /signed on the "obliterates all non-capitals" I think TITAN DD and I picture Creighton's Wormhole Weapon without the whole universe is gonna end badly part. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Reptar Dragon Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.23 08:41:00 - [11] those 3 ideas are perfect.
Varrakk Chosen Path	Posted - 2007.11.23 10:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Random Womble Personally i would like to see them made only tacklable by HICs if they must be tackled by anything. This could be a key fix to Titan & Motherships. In addition, these ships need a repping bonus! (and maybe a capital smartbomb )
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:20:00 - [13] Frankly like most of the previous posters have commented. Titan without fleet = stupid. Next... ya it probably is true the HIC could just throw a whole bunch of hardeners on for X type dmg so he can survive a doomsday of the said race. The obvious fix to this would be to make it possible to have multiple doomsdays of different races. So each titan gets the ability to fit all the doomsdays. With being able to fire up to 4 of them at a time. Frankly I see very little change in this then... as the interdictor probe bubbles will still hold them down... and popping the doomsdays in low sec doesn't work I suspect. So frankly the TITAN would be more effective in how it can defend itself, while still being vulnerable. While the HIC is still 100% capable of doing it's intended job.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:26:00 - [14] I also don't like the ability to 1hit pop all non capitals frankly. The battleships or whatever you have should be able to tank 1 specific dmg type and could survive 1 doomsday, but then be wipped completely out when that second doomsday goes off using a different type of dmg. Now in theory a big fleet who is trying to destroy said titan could hold back attackers with different resistances. When say the EM, thermal doomsdays have been shot off... the guys with high kinetic and explosive shield tanks can warp in and are sure to be able to survive the next potential 2 doomsdays.
Karbowiak Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Karbowiak on 23/11/2007 11:29:39 Originally by: Gyle How to fix titans. 1. Alter the doomsday so its not based on damage. any non-capital that gets hhit by it is destroyed. Capitals the get caught in the blast loose half of there remaining hitpoints. 2. introduce a second super weapon that can be fired once every 24 hrs. This can instantly destroy any ship hit by it, even another titan but takes 8 mineuts to charge before it fires. It can also reinforce a pos in one shot or destroy it if it has just come out of reinforced. 3. give it mundane station services and allow people to dock at it. Thats a bit, excessive dont you think?.. Nr1 and Nr2 i dont agree on, Nr3 i do however. I propose some other changes tho. 1. Give the Titan the capability to put up a POS like shield. The POS like shield the Titan puts up, gets 50% resistance on all levels and works like a normal POS shield appart from that 2. Make it so the Titans weapons gets a crazy bonus to tracking and damage when in the "POS" Mode so it can defend itself 3. Make the POS mode take less than 30minutes to setup - and make it so it can ONLY be setup at planets (not moons or at the station) 4. If the Titan is in "POS" mode, make it so that the Titan pilot can logoff and still have the Titan sit there in its "POS" Mode 5. Alter the DDD to make it do more damage (maybe 1.5x the damage it does now to combat the fact that certain dictors can tank the DDD) 6. Make it so people can either dock at the Titan and use it as a mobile base - or give it a permanent clonevatbay and a bigger ship hangar. If changes 1-4 gets implemented, the Titan becomes an instant mobile base - capable of being setup almost anywhere, very fast and can' be a ***** to take down or even. If only change 5 gets there - the Titan can atleast take out the specific tanked dictors which atleast is to some consolidation of the Titan pilots i guess? :). And change nr6 should have been implemented from the beginning tbh. Its a ship the size of a station, either it should be a moving station or atleast have station like capabilities. - Not saying you should have a repair bay that lets you repair all your ships right away, but still.. Eventho i hate Titans and their DDD - atleast CCP fixed so you can remote detonate it, which helped fix the whole "OMG TITAN IN LOCAL" boom "OMG MY FLEET, MY FLEEEEEET" :P -------------------- Exanimo Inc. Killboard Triumvirate Killboard
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.11.23 12:05:00 - [16] yeah its an seriouse problem.. i think when you say something is imuume to EW.. it should be so.. and not let an 3 month training time ship lockdown an Capital ship from 60 billl +.. atm its just an hauler with an smart bomb.. atleast it gives out the same type of fear..
Ina Mina	Posted - 2007.11.23 14:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Ina Mina on 23/11/2007 14:01:53 Titans dont need any huge boost, sure, HICs will be dangerous for these ships, even in low sec, and I fully expect that alliances that own these will use them with care. -Doing lowsec logistics? Do it at a POS. -Logging off? Dont log off with hostiles in local, and if you have to, do it inside a POS shield so you dont emergency warp off. If the titan gets tackled in a real fight is not a problem, if you decide to bring it on grid, be sure to have a suitable support fleet available. I've yet to see decent suggestions (in this thread at least), to buff the titans, that would not overpower them. Any improvement to the doomsday will certainly overpower them again, the only thing I could see being improved is the cloning facilities, and perhaps a tanking bonus.
General Meridus Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.23 19:50:00 - [18] Bah, they need a boost. A dozen or so bombers are more useful. Part of the reason these things were introduced was for the anti blob crusade the devs were on a while back. Everything now is "bring more ships." There's no point in trying to balance a Titan. Being unbalanced is kinda the point. If there are too many in the game, or more than the devs thought there would be, fine make them even more difficult to produce. These things are a multi billion isk waste of time. Nerf the end game, and you've nerfed the whole game.
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.24 04:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Gragnor on 24/11/2007 04:40:33 The problem with Titans is just what should they be used for? I personally would love to see them become mobile stations. They jump bridge into a system, immediately challenge system sovreignty and then can be anchored at a planet. Once anchored, they become like a station, you can clone jump to them, fit in them etc. The doomsday becomes its defence mechanism and if used, shuts down all services for an hour. While you cannot destroy a Titan in station mode, you can disable all its services and its jump engines; which leaves it as a pile of useless junk. If you're the poor pilot, you can abandon your titan but it explodes as the station services goes out of control. Of course, the modules still function while its in station mode, providing uber gang bonuses and a magnificent logistics platform. That way; a Titan jumping into a contested system is a sign of havoc to come. In terms of stations - they should be able to be destroyed ..... Just ideas that will be flamed....
KayaYautja Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.24 05:28:00 - [20] Originally by: nemississ personally i think a 100bill isk ship should be more than a golified command ship. I mean personally ive never engaged with on on my side or one against me BUT i may be wrong on this but mabe just mabe the titans and moms should be given some other tactical uses. The moms might get a bit of a boost but the titan really needs some work they take months to build hundreds of thousands of man hours to produce and all that they can do is use is a giant smart bomb which aparantly is tankable give fleet bonuses and work as a portable cyno bridge. Now these are all handy tools But you dont say the thing should be a bit more powerfull for what it does why not give it the ability to cyno jamm a system for a certain amount of time mabe a siege mode type modual where they are unsuportable and it uses up fuel. Mabe a anti pos battery that does insane amount of damage to a pos but again costs fuel and is extremly unacurate so hitting anything that moves would be near impossible. (would give us somthing to use those stealth generators for pos's for.) Frankly i have no clue what else you coudl do with it but the thing is a bit underpowered for the pricetag. atm all i hear titans are being used for is fleet bonuses, haulers and portable cyno bridges As well as a sign of power which of course is because of its price tag. Maybe, just maybe more punctuation please? About the Titans, never flown with one, against and will never own one.... but, from what i understand it's a huge undertaking to kill one. Any well organised fleet, which a Titan shouldn't be flying without and lag allowing, should be able to take out the things which can tackle a Titan. On the other hand, they're very skill intensive and very Costly. So i guess they do deserve a bit of immunity. Maybe it so only HIC's can tackle them would be good move i guess. --- I'm the omega baby!
Don Omar	Posted - 2007.11.25 10:18:00 - [21] Well the problem is not the ability of HIC and Dictors to tackel one. It's the fact that the titan can't defend it's self. The one who said log off at a pos. You log at a pos.. Hostiles come bubble the hole pos and when you log in you go puff. Since you still warp off while in the pos. I got the idea that the new comers should have all rights and be as powerfull as vets. Nowdays only diferents between vets and noobs is experience.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Gyle Originally by: Cosmo Raata Originally by: Mr Broker don't even log in without a fleet, else people will abuse it and use it for solo projects deep in their territory where enemy capitals cannot reach due to cyno jammers if you don't like the way the titan was meant to be used, refine it. Typical response from someone who will never own/use a Titan. The problem is the only ones that think Titans need help are those that have flown them and the ones that think Titans are fine are those that belong to alliances that dont have one. Titan Owners<<<<<<Non-Titan Owners. CCP just has to man up and change it despite people like this claiming how they should be used without any real clue. I disagree man. ive never flown a titan and i still think they are in desperate need of a boost. But good luck getting one from ccp. These days they arent interested in rewarding peeps/corps/alliances for there time and energy in case it will give them any kind of advantage over the casual players whove been playing for 3 months and will be leaving in two. What is the fraking point in dictors being able to tank doomsdays? How to fix titans. 1. Alter the doomsday so its not based on damage. any non-capital that gets hhit by it is destroyed. Capitals the get caught in the blast loose half of there remaining hitpoints. 2. introduce a second super weapon that can be fired once every 24 hrs. This can instantly destroy any ship hit by it, even another titan but takes 8 mineuts to charge before it fires. It can also reinforce a pos in one shot or destroy it if it has just come out of reinforced. 3. give it mundane station services and allow people to dock at it. job done ok so some of these are massivly drastic. but for god sake ccp do somthing. how can the most impressive and uber ship in the game be so pointless I really really like those ideas. Number 2 especially. Being a fan of macross and robotech, i would love to see some monumentally powerful make you run crying to your moma weapon doing it's thing. Hell i'd go so far as to replace the current dd with the charge shot from number 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Kjetilen	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Gyle Originally by: Cosmo Raata Originally by: Mr Broker don't even log in without a fleet, else people will abuse it and use it for solo projects deep in their territory where enemy capitals cannot reach due to cyno jammers if you don't like the way the titan was meant to be used, refine it. Typical response from someone who will never own/use a Titan. The problem is the only ones that think Titans need help are those that have flown them and the ones that think Titans are fine are those that belong to alliances that dont have one. Titan Owners<<<<<<Non-Titan Owners. CCP just has to man up and change it despite people like this claiming how they should be used without any real clue. I disagree man. ive never flown a titan and i still think they are in desperate need of a boost. But good luck getting one from ccp. These days they arent interested in rewarding peeps/corps/alliances for there time and energy in case it will give them any kind of advantage over the casual players whove been playing for 3 months and will be leaving in two. What is the fraking point in dictors being able to tank doomsdays? How to fix titans. 1. Alter the doomsday so its not based on damage. any non-capital that gets hhit by it is destroyed. Capitals the get caught in the blast loose half of there remaining hitpoints. 2. introduce a second super weapon that can be fired once every 24 hrs. This can instantly destroy any ship hit by it, even another titan but takes 8 mineuts to charge before it fires. It can also reinforce a pos in one shot or destroy it if it has just come out of reinforced. 3. give it mundane station services and allow people to dock at it. job done ok so some of these are massivly drastic. but for god sake ccp do somthing. how can the most impressive and uber ship in the game be so pointless Like the idea, but a wepon to destroy other capital ships and titans in one blow us overpowerd :) And a dictor shuld NEWER be able to tank a DD. Super caps are realy realy borked atm...

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