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Grizwold
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Posted - 2004.03.05 19:22:00 -
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In order to get peeps out of Empire and into the wide open spaces, the simplest method is to:
- ban BS in Empire space - from systems .1 - 1.0
At entry points/stations to Empire, peeps will have to switch to non-BS ships to continue into empire. Some mechanism to allow movement of Empire produced BS to staging points or force production out of empire or to staging systems.A station close to entry points with no stations will be the designated last point for BS - staging systems.
The carebears will have to move out of empire to uber-mine, and pirates in Empire will have to earn their $ via cruisers or frigates. The smaller ships are a lot more fun, cheaper and less of a loss when destroyed.
With the expansion of the sentry guns range to 150k, there will be very little gate griefing anymore.
This will force uber-mining carebears to move out of Empire if they want to strip mine, otherwise buy a Thorax. Pirates can have more fun in cruisers and frigates in Empire space than in BS, and it will reflect more accurately the roll playing as the pirates of old sure didn't use Ships of the Line BS, they used sloops and frigates. Adapt and have fun.
Also look at making Empire space a bit smaller i.e. less .1+, and make it easier to get out to 0.0 - more connections (smugglers routes)so there are more routes to choose from to get to 0.0...i.e. less choke points.
Small ships are way more fun and a whole lot cheaper.
Finally spread the top end ore out so that more regions have at least some for the carebears to mine.
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The Drip
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Posted - 2004.03.05 19:25:00 -
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All the manufacturing corps will love to relocate to 0.0 space.
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LargeNuts
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Posted - 2004.03.05 19:40:00 -
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Er, how about NO.
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Brukhai Khan
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Posted - 2004.03.05 20:55:00 -
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I donŠt think that the idea is all that bad, although the issue is not (really) Battleship stripmining.
What I feel is the real problem in empire space is that there are no pirates. I can haul stuff all day while afk and neednŠt worry a bit.
How about this for a fix:
Concord response time and fleet size will depend on the size of the attackers ship(s) - a lone frigate pirate will not have the whole Concord fleet smacking down on him.
Three cruisers will provoke a fairly swift and deadly response though.
Sentry guns will fire on Frigates only in .5 upward, and on Cruisers only in .2 upward.
A small, mobile pirate force should be able to operate in low-sec empire space, even at the gates.
And if frigate-flying pirates were around IŠd finally have a reason to use those two highslots on my indie.
that way the carebears (in a non-derogatory way, weŠve all mined scordite at some point or other) can still mine more or less safely in their battleships (because a battleship should be able to hold out against a few frigates until concord arrives), while small pirate forces can try to prey on the haulers.
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2004.03.05 20:58:00 -
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Hate to break it to ya guys, but this is going to be implemented...sooner rather than later...
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Mitawyn
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Posted - 2004.03.05 20:58:00 -
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That is a really bad idea.
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:10:00 -
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I love the idea, would be cooler and much more fun.
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Krendig
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:13:00 -
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Hate to break it to ya guys, but this is going to be implemented...sooner rather than later...
Congratulations on your recent employment by CCP. ;)
Or... Do you have a source for this information you neglected to provide? :)
Seriously-- Banning battleships from .1 and up is a *really* bad idea.
And that's coming from someone who's in favor of reclassifying all non newbie secure sectors current at 1.0 as 0.95, then making the 1.0 systems so battleships can't enter. Would certainly cut down on BS mining in newbie space, which should be done.
CCP needs to spend more time planning and refining a reasonable strategy for CONCORD reaction to criminal activity in Empire space. There needs to be a reasonable policy, and a steady, responsible, escalation of "deadly force" in the event of hostilities in Empire space.
In real life, the equivalent to CONCORD's current model suggests a tactical air strike as a proportional response to a bar fight.
--Krendig
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:13:00 -
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This is a nice balancing idea, but banning them empire-wide is a bit drastic. You don't need to take drastic moves to keep things in balance, just make small changes. Perhaps banning battleships from 0.6 to 1.0 systems would suffice. Nobody really needs a battleship in 0.6 space or above and any corporation worth squat can both cope with the lack of battelships in 0.6 space and upwards and easily protect themselves in 0.5 and below systems, plus they will venture out into 0.5 and below a lot. It would do a little to restore pirating in 0.5 and below systems, too.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:15:00 -
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Major downside.
What if you are flying from one 0.0 are to another one. Say from the north to the south. Please dont tell me that you would have to fly ALL the way around. Traveling sucsk as it is. If you have to go around empire in a battleship, or have two battleships... well that would suck.
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Mel'a Nie
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:17:00 -
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In order to get peeps out of Empire and into the wide open spaces, the simplest method is to:
- ban BS in Empire space - from systems .1 - 1.0
Mining is boring as hell, with anything other than Mining 5 and Astro 5 and a BS with 7-8 lasers on it.
If i had to go back to a thorax with even 5 miner 2's on...I simple would NOT and just cancel.
Its pathetic pirates whine...people dont come to non-empire space...whine whine whine...(want some cheese with your whine)
People dont come to non empire space because not everyone has 20mil to insure and BS and 3 or 4 spare BS's in there hangers...why? coz they are busy mining for isk.
And being able to gate camp 1 place and cut of 5 regions is just simply *** and pointless.
Why have all this 0.0 space when people can block 1 SINGLE place and cut of any chance of
people being able to get on faster.
so if pirates want more people in 0.0 space...then make MORE ways into 0.0 space other than 1 route or a stupid 500 jump back way
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 05/03/2004 21:19:00
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Major downside.
What if you are flying from one 0.0 are to another one. Say from the north to the south. Please dont tell me that you would have to fly ALL the way around. Traveling sucsk as it is. If you have to go around empire in a battleship, or have two battleships... well that would suck.
News flash!
Smuggler gates
Nuff said.
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Atea
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Posted - 2004.03.05 21:57:00 -
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Have you looked at where the smuggler gates are right now? useful for getting from BFN to BFN, but not from a place where something is actually happening to a place where something is actually happening.
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Usharin Silverberg
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Posted - 2004.03.05 23:01:00 -
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Hate to break this to you Grizwold, this is an old topic and BS's will not be banned from empire space - it affects to many players, long term ones at that, ie people who have put a lot of time and effort into the game, and who will take a really dim view on being told "Thanks for enjoying the game and paying us for the pleasure, now we are going to restrict what you can do what you have earned".
Don't get me wrong, I am all for stopping strip mining of 1.0 systems, but banning BS's from empire is not the way to go. And I totaly agree that smaller ships, cruisers and frigates, are way more fun for pvp.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2004.03.05 23:24:00 -
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sorry... stupid idea
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2004.03.05 23:41:00 -
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Man shut up
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HoneyPie
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Posted - 2004.03.05 23:44:00 -
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Man shut up
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juel
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Posted - 2004.03.06 00:31:00 -
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Sure I agree but at the same time open up those damn bottleneck points into 0.0 and make it atleast possible to get in there.
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Annoying Bug
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Posted - 2004.03.06 00:59:00 -
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Great idea.
I've always wondered why the empires would allow a potential threat as battle ships are into their space any way.
Maybe it should relate to your security status what kind of ship you would be allowed to take through empire space.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.03.06 01:12:00 -
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If you make more entry points into 0.0 space from empire space you will have the pirates whining ;)
"Oh we can't keep 2 gates blocked all the time oh mummeeh"
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.03.06 01:43:00 -
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Grizwold are you Joshua Calvert's alt? That is the dumbest suggestion I've heard in a long time... I have no problem banning BS's from certain systems or maybe 1.0(only) space, but to ban them from all of empire is ridiculous.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.03.06 02:03:00 -
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To the person who said this:
"What I feel is the real problem in empire space is that there are no pirates. I can haul stuff all day while afk and neednŠt worry a bit."
It's secure space......thats the way it should be. The pirates have their low sec space and the rest of the players have secure space. on top of that we have lower sec zones where both interact.
secure space is meant to be pirate free
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.03.06 02:18:00 -
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Mining is boring as hell, with anything other than Mining 5 and Astro 5 and a BS with 7-8 lasers on it.
If i had to go back to a thorax with even 5 miner 2's on...I simple would NOT and just cancel.
<irony mode on>
I have a better suggestion make a new Battleship type: Mining mobile, can only fit mining laser has installed 6 24% cargo expanders standart and no medium slots.
<irony mode off>
shakes head
Perhaps you should quit mining anyway and leave it to people who find mining in Frigats or cruisers interesting - yes such people exist - get your nice back into a frigat and do some fighting, would increase the request for ores and drive the price of them up.
*flame on*
Your not worth being called a miner, your only comparable to a cow thinking about where to find the next grass.
*flame off*
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Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life.
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2004.03.06 03:10:00 -
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This is possibly the worst idea ever...No personal offense of course.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.03.06 03:35:00 -
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I give this my vote for dumbest idea in Eve, to date. Unfortunately, it's not an original one. Lame-brains come up with this same idea every so often, seems to cycle about once every couple of months.
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Sally B
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Posted - 2004.03.06 04:16:00 -
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Good suggestion, will never happen.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.06 04:36:00 -
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Battleships in high sec space isn't the problem. They're a symptom.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Sally B
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Posted - 2004.03.06 04:45:00 -
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And the disease is CCP's absolute refusal to do anything about it.
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GALAGA
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Posted - 2004.03.06 05:51:00 -
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Do you think that mining is the only thing that people do with bships in 0.1-1.0 space? (which is Empire BTW)
I do many of my agent missions with a bship and when the lvl 4 agents come out will you take on Zor in a Thorax?
It ain't gonna happen and you don't have any inside information nor even a clue.
Unintelligent idea BTW.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2004.03.06 06:18:00 -
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that is completely stupid...in fact why dont they just not allow any ships at all in empire space and we all float around in little pods...yea thats the ticket 
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