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Tristan Evae
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan Evae on 24/11/2007 18:20:12
right ive read all the tracking guides etc and ive experimented with different turrets but at the moment im having trouble with somthing in perticular and i hope i can get some help here..
heres my current rig
Ship: Thorax
Large slots: 5x Heavy Electron Blaster I
Medium slots: 2x Large shield extender I, 1x 10mn Afterburner
Small slots: 2x Power diagnostic I, 3x Small armour repairer I
5932 shield
1723 armor
2156 structure
skills:
Controlled bursts: 2
Gunnery: 3
medium hybrid turret: 1
motion prediction: 3
small hybrid turret: 3
ok the problem ive had is this, i was on a level 2 mission i warped in and instantly i was webified so my max speed instead of 370m/s is 30m/s so the transversal velocity of all targets around me are 400-500 somtimes going to 100-300 but rarley, i need help because i dont know what to do in this situation if im stuck in it again.. i cant hit anything unless its below 120m/s transversal velocity and i need to improve this.
And another time while i was using the blasters i was on a general warehouse pickup mission when pirates ambush.. I couldnt damage them, i tried at 10km then at 5000m then at 2000m but no matter what i did i couldnt hit more then 10! before i knew it my armour and structure where nearly gone...
I dont understand what im doing wrong ive tried 250mm railguns and ive tried small railguns with all different types of ammo but no matter what i try somthing keeps getting me owned..
pelase i need help im getting severley frustrated :(
ps. im doing lvl 2 missions
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:20:00 -
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use a web of your own.
dont shield tank.
use drones more
learn how to tank your armor properly
read more rax setup threads (use search tool or stickyed guides)
just a few things that instantly spring to mind.
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:21:00 -
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There's no point in going with both a shield and armor tank. And there's no point what so ever in going with 3 small reppers. Ever.
Try something like:
Hi's: Biggest meanest blasters you can fit with your skills.
Mid: 10MN Afterburner, cap rechargers
Low: Medium Armor Repairer, 3x Specific Energized membranes, Magnetic Field Stabilizer
And most importantly: 5 or 10 drones depending on mission(You'll learn this eventually, normally 5x Hammerhead II's is your 'general' option.).
Increasing your resistances increase both buffert and repair amount per cycle.
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Edriahn
Gallente
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:49:00 -
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This is the wrongest Thorax setup I've ever seen.
Who told ya that m8?
Read more about armor tanking, use 150mm + 5x Hammerheads.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:52:00 -
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 wow, dont know where to start. Join a corp with more expirienced pilots and let them help you. If you fit a thorax like that, you have a lot to learn. (which is not a bad thing)
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:29:00 -
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 Originally by: madaluap
wow, dont know where to start. Join a corp with more expirienced pilots and let them help you. If you fit a thorax like that, you have a lot to learn. (which is not a bad thing)
That's a very nice way he's putting in, too.
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Baron Primus
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:42:00 -
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If youre using guns, I reeeeeeeeeeally suggest you get all your secondary gunnery skills (motion prediction, etc) to level 4. Yeah itll take awhile but its so mind bendingly worth it. Maybe not so much in the small and med guns, but in the future with the larges it's really important.
Gallente armor tanks.. as Im sure you know. The previous posters have the right ideas. My personal belief is Id rather have quality over quantity- less armor for more resists.
Gallente also use drones extensively.. so make sure you get drone interfacing to 5 asap. That adds 20% damage to your drones so.. depending how high it is, your drones can do 100% damage plus the bonus damage alot of ships offer.
I used to fly a vexor that relied 100% on drones for damage so the ship itself could be a tank. You may wanna try that one day.
Originally by: SoftRevolution
WoW is computer AIDS.
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Amyitis Semiramis
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Posted - 2007.11.24 21:17:00 -
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/facepalm
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.11.24 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Amyitis Semiramis
/facepalm
This.
Whenever you get into a ship youve never flown before, it never hurts to check the fitting threads for it (read the stickies).
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.11.24 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
There's no point in going with both a shield and armor tank. And there's no point what so ever in going with 3 small reppers. Ever.
Try something like:
Hi's: Biggest meanest blasters you can fit with your skills.
Mid: 10MN Afterburner, cap rechargers
Low: Medium Armor Repairer, 3x Specific Energized membranes, Magnetic Field Stabilizer
And most importantly: 5 or 10 drones depending on mission(You'll learn this eventually, normally 5x Hammerhead II's is your 'general' option.).
Increasing your resistances increase both buffert and repair amount per cycle.
I'm pretty sure level 2s will only need 2 EANM and a DC, not much damage floating around. And I recommend using railguns, not blasters.
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.24 22:08:00 -
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Oof! What a setup!
But it's ok, we all start somewhere.
I'll give you a hint. The thorax rocks with two key ingrediants. Small blasters and a big armor plate ;)
Although thats my pvp fit, I dunno what to fit for missions.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.24 22:22:00 -
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Rail rax for pve maybe?
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.24 23:54:00 -
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dont be discouraged by some of the posts here, but do listen to the message.
dont duel armor and shield tank, its really harsh on fittings and dont realy work.
look at in you mid slots, fitting the magical module (a webifyer) if your gonna use blasters, in your lowers, look for resistance mods, or even a large plate. use 1 medium armor reper for now (that should do lvl 2 missions),
you should also look at the "cap recharger" module, to put in your mids, that will speed up your cap recharge so you can tank better.
as mentioned here, if your missioning you might wanna look at railguns over blasters, both are hybrids, so youll have the skills, its just rails are long range and give you more time to think.
drones are important.
good luck man, just remmeber, armor tank, if blasters need AB/web/cap recharger, and low slots, is a armor tank. (ether go reper, + resist modules, or reper and largeish plate).
/Theo
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.11.25 00:03:00 -
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im sorry, I dont mean to knock you, its just that the setup there made me want to claw my eyes out.
now for the useful bit of my post:
as has been stated dont shield tank, armor tank. also you need something you can actually repair with, in other words having alot of hp is not enough for most pve ships and all gallente ones.
train up your drone skills and use a vexor, it can handle any lvl 2 with nearly a starter characters skills if flown properly.
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Incantare
Caldari
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.25 00:21:00 -
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I've used a shield tanked (extender) thorax to rat angel battleships, it works .
I wouldn't recommend it for any other use though.
For missions you'll want to know what damage types npcs deal and fit your ship's hardeners appropriately. I could list the damage types but... open some random guy's bio anywhere and there's a good chance you'll find them listed. Alternatively you can always ask in the help channel for them.
Having high resists in the appropriate damage types makes missions far, far easier.
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Lux Exterior
Gallente
Critical Analysis
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.11.25 00:33:00 -
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Dude, two words: Drone Skills, you really need to be using 5 x Hobgoblin 2's, then missions get really easy, you will not believe how fast those little suckas shred level 2 frig swarms. Sell the 'Rax and go buy a Vexor (it's cheaper) and use that instead. Honestly.
Thorax is a high skill gunnery boat with a bonus for MWD use, which you can't use for most missions.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.25 00:45:00 -
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For missions: Railguns and drones, armour tank.
For pvp: Small blasters, plates, plates, PLATES, MWD, drones, luck.
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Trader Jjoe
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Posted - 2007.11.25 00:48:00 -
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Thorax is a great starting PvP ship in small gangs. For mission running, I highly suggest a good look at the Vexor.
With its drone bonuses you will do very well in missions early on in the game with even just rudimentary drone skills, whereas, as suggested by the many posts above, it takes some training to get those guns working well for you.
For the base vexor setup, also listen to the same advice. Try fitting 1x Medium Armor Repair (MAR), an Energized Adaptive Nan Membrane (EANM), and some specific resistance hardners. Someone probably can tell you in local, what you are fighting and what resists you need.
For the mediums, go with a 10mn After Burner (10mn AB), a Web, and with whatever is left, maybe some Cap Rechargers.
For Highs, fit whatever guns you can and a medium Nosferatur (MED NOS). The Nos will help you with your power issues in keeping your MAR and resistance hardners going.
Your drones will far outdamage your guns. You can even train for a small remote armor repper to repair your drones.
Search the site for mission vexor set ups of course. I remember when I started the game with Gallente and was in the same position. I switched from thorax to vexor for missions and suddently my problems went away.
When you first start out you are going to have problems having your guns in optimal range and even more so tracking small ships that you fight in missions.
Drones are fast and fight in their optimal basically. There still will be some very small fast ships that even your drones have problems with. That is what your web is for.
You slow down the target ship and your drones finish it off.
Good luck!
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Herring
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.11.25 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
There's no point in going with both a shield and armor tank.
Myrmidon with 3 ccc's can dual tank. The active shield tank is extremely weak, but possible. It's the only ship I know of that has so much cap, that I actually could attempt to dual tank. Come to think of it, you could probably put one of those insane hull reppers on there and triple tank too.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2007.11.25 04:56:00 -
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Your setup made me laugh and don't take it as insult i made some very horrible monstrosity almost like you did when i started and freely admit it we all start somewhere.
Now to help out for missions i Strongly recommend you drop Thorax get Vexor.
Why you ask very simply because Thorax is a very skill intensive ship to fly properly. For a new player yes I can absolutely recommend Vexor over Thorax as its cheaper you can rat, mission, and Mine as well so its very Versatile.
Fit something like this
Highs
Light neutron blasters or 150mm rail guns
Drone link augumentor
later on when you get scout drone operation skill up to 4
mids
Afterburner,
2 cap chargers (you can swap one for drone navigation computer)
Lows
1600mm armor plate (best you can afford i use crystalline since its cheaper then the best one)
Medium armor rep
Energised adaptive nano
DMG control
5 hammerhead or mission specific medium drones
or light ones i prefer medium ones but with lower skills you might go light ones so you have spares if killed
gives you nice hp use named dmg control till u can use t2 one the one with 54 resists on hull is good and not crazy expensive and you gong to love those hull resiste if things go sour :D
now get those skills up on drones gunnery and armor tanking.
Get cruiser asap to at lvl 4 engenering skills are also important for cap.
with this fit i got 6731 armor on the vexor and my skill are crap since i am carebear miner but basically this setup will get you through lvl 2 missions easy
Tactics warp in mission stay at maximum range wait till they aggro on you launch drones engage watch frigs pop like popcorn if anything gets closer use guns.
If u want to make a career out of Running missions missions you might train for caldari since the raven is undisputed champ in that but gallente boats can run missions all the way up to lvl 4 so up to you hope it helps.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.11.25 10:34:00 -
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Your setup is horrible, but I vaguely recall my shield, armor, and hull tanking frigates from when I first joined and so I won't comment further. In a situation like that use your drones to kill the frigates around you that are webbing. |
Malena Panic
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.25 15:49:00 -
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Most people here forget what it's like to be a newb. Your problem is that you're a new and you're trying to use a Thorax - they're very difficult to use until you get a fair few million SP under your belt. You don't have Drones V so you're not making full use of that drone bay, and the MWD bonus is all but useless in your deadspace missions. Finally the Electron blasters everybody tells you to use are super short range and you're taking a really long time to get to and kill the mission rat blobs, AND struggling with tracking the small stuff anyway!
You tried armor tanking but can't keep up with the damage and your cap goes to **** because you only have Energy Management III, so you tried shield tanking and it seemed to work better, but now everybody's making fun of you.
Well if everyone is making fun of you, why not try the Celestis? It's got a much better slot layout for shield tanking, its 40m drone bay is perfect for your four Hammerhead Is, it's a damn sight cheaper than the Thorax and it's still got three gun slots and a med hybrid bonus.
Here's my Celestis fit for level 2 missions, back when I had fewer SP than any toon alive today:
2 x 150mm rails, 2 x assault launcher (firing whatever light missile I had the most of)
10mn AB, 3 x shield extender, invulnerability field
Overdrive Injector, Mag Stab, PDU
These days I'd switch up the lows, maybe try to fit a dual 150mm rails and a salvager on instead of 2 150s, using an RCU instead of the PDS - looking back that Mag Stab is particularly cringeworthy.
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Bull61
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:41:00 -
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I agree with earlier posts... for your L2 missions, use railguns. You'll just die a lot using blasters. Thorax is fine but Vex is cheaper and has a bigger drone bay, iirc.
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Odium47
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:51:00 -
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My dear padawan,
Train more your skills before flying that ship.
The ship does not do all the work...you'll have to do that.
"Every moron can push a button, but only a master can wield a sword!"
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pony2slow
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Posted - 2007.11.26 20:08:00 -
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do this for lvl2's
high: 5x 125 rails. Best named you can get
mid: 10mn ab , web, cap injector or cap recharger
low: med armor rep, 1600mm plate, hardners(mission specific)
yeah you dont get the bonus from the ship but it will ease through any level 2 missions. And dont forget your drones.
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Nihils Astari
Gallente
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.11.26 20:14:00 -
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What they all said. I'd switch to a vexor with small rails for missions.
If you really want to use the thorax, the most viable PVE setup I've found forgoes all your ship's bonuses. Switch to 5 150mm rails or 4 and a (hopefully medium) nos in highs. The 150mm guns have the range and tracking to pop frigate swarms faster than you could get in range with your blasters.
(level 2s are kind of meant for cruisers, but you fight more frigates and destroyers, which small rails will eat for lunch, while medium blasters have a harder time tracking even if you get in range. The only cruisers in L2 missions are usually boss types)
Afterburner, webber, and cap recharger in mid slots.
Set up your lows for high resistance to whatever the enemy is shooting at you, and use a medium repairer. (maybe 2 active hardeners, an energized adaptive nano, and a damage control...I prefer higher resists to plates for pve stuff....look up tanking articles on buffers vs resists to decide for yourself.)
Then get drones to 5 if you don't have it already and get 5 hammerheads to go after the larger stuff. And if you don't know this, make sure the things are attacking you before unleashing the drones, that way the drones don't get popped before they can do damage.
(a vexor set up the same way loses the med hybrids damage bonus as well but keeps its drone damage bonus and the ship costs about half the price.)
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.26 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nihils Astari
Switch to 5x 150mm rails or 4 and a (hopefully medium) nos in highs.
Your flying a vexor navy issue huh?
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