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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.25 16:19:00 -
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The French battled constantly despite being overrun as did many Europeans. Their forces were still in disarray after being in debt from the Great War. The Russians defeated a large portion of the German army. Great Britain broke the back of the Luftwaffe and removed the Germans from Africa.
The US did the last minute cavalry thing in Europe to take a great big chunk of the German technology they knew about from defecting scientists and they didn't want the Russians getting it all. Where do you think the final piece of the jigsaw came from for those first nukes?
We're still paying the USA back for World War II, you didn't do it out of the goodness of your heart. Thats why we're in Iraq, our troops are helping pay the old debt.
So greatful as we are it wasn't for the cause.
You have a point about truthful reporting. We don't get the stories where a convoy of humvees slaughter wedding parties in Bosnia because someone fired a gun in the air celebrating, despite the troops being briefed beforehand.
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Posted - 2007.11.25 22:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
As for nukes Germany provided nothing towards their development by providing some missing piece. The Manhattan Project was a HUGE undertaking (I think it remains the largest single cost for any scientific project ever). The Germans surrendered in early May, the first nuke was tested in mid-July. In fact, had Germany not surrendered I believe the intention was to drop the first nukes on Germany.
The Germans were stuck on their nuclear program. Apparently they had the calculations wrong and they thought the amount of nuclear material needed would be immense.
A German scientist went to his old teacehr to try and get help. The teacher realised his mistake but didn't correct him as he didn't want Germany to have the bomb. Later the teacher escaped occupied europe and then assisted in the Manhattan project along with other European scientists in the USA.
Just because it has an American name doesn't make it American.
Operation Torch was also against French troops and wasn't really opposed. The Brits broke Rommels back. The Itlaians fought to the 'braveley' fought to the death while Rommel legged it. Dispelling another myth about a nations bravery.
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.26 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
And just remember folks, if you're not in a war from the beginning, you don't count!
Also I believe the UK finished its payments to the US last year or the year before.
Not disproving the point. When did we go into Iraq and Afghanistan?
Oh about the same time the debt was paid off!
The point is WW1 & 2 plus things like the Manhattan project were all joint efforts not just an American success. Unless you ask an American of course.
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.27 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
In the end in all these conflicts on paper the US did better. MUCH more enemy dead. More planes shot down and so on than what we lost. This clearly fails when the leaders of the enemy do not care for their soldiers or the civilians and only care to maintain power no matter the cost. In short to beat them you need to embark on a course of genocide as nothing short of that will stop those leaders. They'll sacrifice the last of their citizens in such cases. If you are unwilling to embark on genocide not sure how you could ever expect to win against them.
Exactly right pity we keep repeating the same mistake, there is no winner anymore. The West will go home with fat wallets, the muslim insurgents move to the next battlefield and poor old average Iraqi is left with his wife and kids dead and a shattered country. But I bet he's glad he's free.
Reminds of BoB v Goons.
BoB thinks they've one because Goons die in their thousands. But all the blue bits on the map are now red.
I guess before entities go to war the victory conditions should be laid out.
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.28 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Just out of curiosity, how many of the people that have replied in this thread have served?
I did. In the Royal Horse Artillery
You bombarded people with horses? 
Well the Airbourne Cavalry has flying horses doesn't it?
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:43:00 -
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Well eventually found out whether the Typhoon can compete with the F-22. The USA won't be selling any F-22s to anyone.
Someone will be selling Typhoons to the Arabian nations so you'll come across them soon. Pilots may not be upto to scratch but the planes will be.
It looks promising for the Typhoon the US test pilots were very complimentary. To be honest he looked shocked and a little bemused don't think he was expecting it to handle that well. The guy said he'd never flown anything like it.
With being designed to be very unstable and hence very agile it needs loads of computer power to keep it in the air. Would be interested to know how reilient it is to bullets and shrapnel.
I was under the impression the Typhoon was built as a multi role aircraft?
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.29 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are any of the Eurofighters operators actually planning on using it for ground attack and the like?
Developed nations are restrained not just by ROEs but by the voters back home.
Yes due to the fact we can't afford to design two different ones. The Tornado was an interceptor and ground strike craft.
Flying the flag for the old UK again. All the Iraqi airstrips were pretty much done by Tornados in the first Gulf war with the JP233s.
US politicians did claim that public opinion led to the early end of the first Gulf war hence ****** was left in power.
I don't know if you remember the pictures of the Apache hunting a single soldier with its cannon when he was trying to hide. It portrayed inhumane force, the enemy was obviously defeated and we were still killing them. the armed forces don't seem to have an issue with unrestrained force its the public vote.
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.11.29 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
were tornadoes really used as interceptors? can't see them being much good at it.
Tornado F3.
Before the got the Radar upto speed they filled the nose cone with concrete to balance it out
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Kirjava
I wonder, what are the odds of the EU getting a single integrated military within the next 10-20 years?
I don't see whay that would be so hard...
Dude we've been arguing on how to weigh potatoes for god knows how many years.
Us backward Brits are having none of it. I'm sure most of the UK think that various european countries have tried to invade in the past and failed so they created the EU lol.
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Posted - 2007.11.30 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Abraham Azadian
Originally by: Captain Hudson
Im still positive that its another German ploy to create a superstate!. They tried it twice using guns now their doing it using cloak and dagger politics, once we hand over law making powers to ' Brussels' (aka Germany) its game over man game over!
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility.As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!
Towards the end that looks like an alt post on COAD.
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