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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:24:00 -
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I see plenty of forum devs active on these forums today and good luck with the rollout and I hope there are no unforeseen problems this time.
So could we please have a straight answer on image tags:
Are they coming back? If so when? If not, why not?
If its just a question of setting up dimensions/size restrictions could you let us know where you are with the process please?
I imagine I'm not alone in having plenty of lovely sig-images and incidental eve-themed artwork I like to use on the eve-online forums and would appreciate a detailed answer on the restoration of the image functionality.
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Also, would be nice to get some coloured text options again to allow for some more creativity particularly with in-character posts. Is that going to be possible in the immediate future?
All the best.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:27:00 -
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Good question. A dev commented about it on the test forums. I think it boiled down to "soonTM" - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
17
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I see plenty of forum devs active on these forums today and good luck with the rollout and I hope there are no unforeseen problems this time.
So could we please have a straight answer on image tags:
Are they coming back? If so when? If not, why not?
If its just a question of setting up dimensions/size restrictions could you let us know where you are with the process please?
I imagine I'm not alone in having plenty of lovely sig-images and incidental eve-themed artwork I like to use on the eve-online forums and would appreciate a detailed answer on the restoration of the image functionality.
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Also, would be nice to get some coloured text options again to allow for some more creativity particularly with in-character posts. Is that going to be possible in the immediate future?
All the best.
I'd tell you how, but they would just ban me again :P
-Helicity Boson.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:31:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Good question. A dev commented about it on the test forums. I think it boiled down to "soonTM"
In the spirit of "new forums / new start" I invite the forum developers to give a better answer than that because I think "soonTM" is a bit of a poor response to the absence of such a key feature used by virtually all new and long term players.
If there is a technical issue I'd like to know what it is.
If there has been a specific management decision to not to implement images on the new forums I'd like to know that too.
Basically a bit of transparency and mutual respect.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
Graelyn
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:39:00 -
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Agreed entirely.
Throw us a bone! + Cardinal Graelyn + They say God lives inside each one of us. Well then, he'd better like Enchiladas, because that's what he's going to get.
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Gallion
GALACTIC GUARDIAN KNIGHTS V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:42:00 -
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Dunno Its much Cleaner with out it. can always use links anyway. This is a Signature, It makes people Stare. (Man I gotta Make one , or Find one to steal) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:50:00 -
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Gallion wrote:Dunno Its much Cleaner with out it. can always use links anyway.
Well the sensible option for a modern forum would be to allow users to set in their profile whether they see images or not. That way users who want a lowbandwith clean forum would get that without impacting the usability of those who like their images for signatures and incidental artwork of course.
But as I said earlier - all I really want is a straight answer.
If the forum developers have decided there will be no images I'd like to know why and what the thinking behind that is.
If its just a technical issue I'd like to know what the issue is and potential timescale for resolving it.
While I can appreciate your preference for the clean low bandwith look Gallion I'd ask you understand in return that people have put a lot of effort over the years into producing, buying, adopting and customizing their eve-themed signatures that promote the environment and corporate and alliance identity on these shared forums.
Some players make their ISK in game by designing forum-signatures for people!
I think if CCP had decided there would be no images on the new forums it would have been polite to let those players know their income stream would be horribly nerfed right?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
Sader Rykane
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.06 12:59:00 -
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They'll never answer. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:06:00 -
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Sader Rykane wrote:They'll never answer.
[optimistic] I hope they prove you wrong [/optimistic]
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:07:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Sader Rykane wrote:They'll never answer. [optimistic] I hope they prove you wrong [/optimistic]
Come on jade, you've been here how long?
You should know better than to hope by now. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:10:00 -
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Riflin' Betty wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Sader Rykane wrote:They'll never answer. [optimistic] I hope they prove you wrong [/optimistic] Come on jade, you've been here how long? You should know better than to hope by now.
Heh come on now, I've been playing a dreaming idealist revolutionary freespacer preaching open-borders and NRDS rules of engagement against a server full of ruthless brutality and venal self-interest for eight years now.
Trying to skate uphill is not exactly out of my area of experience :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
12
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:17:00 -
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We had some security concerns with allowing the embedding of external images. ItGÇÖs something weGÇÖll be enabling in the future but it was dropped from this release in the interest of doing it properly/safely. This signature has no images |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:24:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:We had some security concerns with allowing the embedding of external images. Not empty-quoting so much asGǪ
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GǪjust
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Ajurna Jakar
Jian Products Engineering Group Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:25:00 -
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so what made them not a security issue yesterday that they are today? |
Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:25:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote: in the interest of doing it properly/safely.
Like last time ?
On a more serious note, you've now passed (in accordance with your own claims) well over 72,000 man hours on retooling a pre-fab forum system (i.e. re-theming it) and you still haven't got images?
Explain that to me.
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:25:00 -
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I'll gladly exchange my EVE account, credit card, health and private details for the ability to have embedded ponies jarringly tear at my eyes. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Riflin' Betty wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
[optimistic] I hope they prove you wrong [/optimistic]
Come on jade, you've been here how long? You should know better than to hope by now. Heh come on now, I've been playing a dreaming idealist revolutionary freespacer preaching open-borders and NRDS rules of engagement against a server full of ruthless brutality and venal self-interest for eight years now. Trying to skate uphill is not exactly out of my area of experience :)
I laughed.
But on topic, it seems that the dev gods have smiled upon this thread as evidenced by the post above. Heck, if the devs keep the posting rate like this, bitter vets might become a thing of the past. |
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:29:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote: ItGÇÖs something weGÇÖll be enabling in the future
NEXT CCP DEV YOU HIRE SHOULD BE CALLED
CCP Soon Gäó
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:30:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:We had some security concerns with allowing the embedding of external images. ItGÇÖs something weGÇÖll be enabling in the future but it was dropped from this release in the interest of doing it properly/safely.
Can you explain what the issue is with the [img] tag please?
Is it possible to simply alllow static images at this point to be going on with?
Also, can you give a timescale for the activation of [img] tags assuming this "release" of the forums goes without a hitch?
Anyway thanks for your response and please get back to me with the clarifications if you can.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
BLACK-STAR
57
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:34:00 -
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The "security" concerns are that it might cause border breaches if the embedded images are too wide. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
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Aethlyn
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:37:00 -
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Code wise it's impossible to tell if an URL points to a static image or a server side script file, making it impossible to detect the real origin of the data transmitted to the user. Some forums utilize some simple file name matching (e.g. forcing the file name to end with ".png" or ".jpg"). However this isn't any real secure solution at all as it will only block very simple attempts. It takes less than a minute to write server side code that will be requested using something like http://example.com/static_image.jpg. On the first look this might appear to be a static JPEG image. However it could be anything, it could essentially be some script retrieving the page you're looking at and rendering it to an image (or doing more nasty things like trying to peek on the page's URL and/or cookies and/or trying to exploit some browser or image filter vulnerability. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:39:00 -
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What Aethlyn wrote above is essentially correct. A few browsers also have problems with https:// sites linking to non-https images or images on a different domain. This signature has no images |
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Ajurna Jakar
Jian Products Engineering Group Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:39:00 -
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Aethlyn wrote:Code wise it's impossible to tell if an URL points to a static image or a server side script file, making it impossible to detect the real origin of the data transmitted to the user. Some forums utilize some simple file name matching (e.g. forcing the file name to end with ".png" or ".jpg"). However this isn't any real secure solution at all as it will only block very simple attempts. It takes less than a minute to write server side code that will be requested using something like http://example.com/static_image.jpg. On the first look this might appear to be a static JPEG image. However it could be anything, it could essentially be some script retrieving the page you're looking at and rendering it to an image (or doing more nasty things like trying to peek on the page's URL and/or cookies and/or trying to exploit some browser or image filter vulnerability.
indeed you are correct. but how has this changed since yesterday. eg on the old forum where you could link images. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:43:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:What Aethlyn wrote above is essentially correct. A few browsers also have problems with https:// sites linking to non-https images or images on a different domain.
So how are you going to resolve this problem to allow the posting of image links CCP Karuck?
Do you have a gameplan going forwards over the next few days to resolve the issue?
How do other modern forums resolve these concerns for example?
I'd love to maintain an ongoing dialogue here while we get the issue resolved.
Cheers again for your responses!
PS.
Random thought
Since you are hosting our images on the eve is real site anyway. Have you considered allowing users of the forum to upload images to a web server CCP runs and have them linked directly from there? That might resolve your security concerns perhaps. I wouldn't mind uploading my various sigs and images for use in this way if it solved the problem.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
Aethlyn
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:48:00 -
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It didn't change - but the old forums were on http only anyway. It's more like an improvement: Why switching to HTTPS while keeping the images back door open? Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:49:00 -
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Aethlyn wrote:Code wise it's impossible to tell if an URL points to a static image or a server side script file, making it impossible to detect the real origin of the data transmitted to the user. Some forums utilize some simple file name matching (e.g. forcing the file name to end with ".png" or ".jpg"). However this isn't any real secure solution at all as it will only block very simple attempts. It takes less than a minute to write server side code that will be requested using something like http://example.com/static_image.jpg. On the first look this might appear to be a static JPEG image. However it could be anything, it could essentially be some script retrieving the page you're looking at and rendering it to an image (or doing more nasty things like trying to peek on the page's URL and/or cookies and/or trying to exploit some browser or image filter vulnerability. GǪbut none of that has anything to do with the forums, and as you say, there is no solution for it on the server side.
What you're talking about is a flaw in the browser. The forum software will simply put that url into an img tag, and if the browser is so ******** as to accept (much less execute) anything other than an image file coming through that link, then that browser needs to be fixed was retired 5 years ago. It's not something CCP can (or, I'd even say, should) worry or do anything about. Just tell people to get some anti-virus for those oh-so-dreaded jpeg viruses () and not use obsolete browsers.
Sure, I suppose a modern browser might accept svg (and embedded ecmascript) but most browser also refuse mixed content of that kind. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Do you have a gameplan going forwards over the next few days to resolve the issue?
Days, I don't want to sound bitter here because I kinda like the new forums although they lack some basic functionality at the moment. Days is being very optimistic considering how long they have been working on this thing so far. I had not pegged you for an optimist Jade. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:51:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Karuck wrote:What Aethlyn wrote above is essentially correct. A few browsers also have problems with https:// sites linking to non-https images or images on a different domain. So how are you going to resolve this problem to allow the posting of image links CCP Karuck? Do you have a gameplan going forwards over the next few days to resolve the issue? How do other modern forums resolve these concerns for example?
Image links are a completely different thing, and you do get a warning when clicking any links. At least links can't be a script marauding as an image exploiting a security hole in your browser.
Most public forums don't use https, and are wide open to packet sniffers. Since the forums, EVE Gate and other upcomings webs here use your actual EVE login we are taking steps to secure your information more (yes you can joke all you want about this, but we are).
I'm sorry but I don't have a timeline for when this will be ready, that question would have to be answered by the forum producer. This signature has no images |
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Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:55:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:
Image links are a completely different thing, and you do get a warning when clicking any links. At least links can't be a script marauding as an image exploiting a security hole in your browser.
By this exact logic you are now saying that remote scripting exploits WERE possible on the previous iteration of this forum, despite your explicit claims that the opposite was true.
Please resolve this logical fallacy for me? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.06 13:56:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Image links are a completely different thing, and you do get a warning when clicking any links. At least links can't be a script marauding as an image exploiting a security hole in your browser. GǪbut again, is it really your business to fix flaws in whatever third-party software the user chooses to employ?
(And on that note, I've disabled your link warnings and I'd really like it if that was an actual option rather than something I had to code my way around locally.) GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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