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Socrates Nacht Tropical Killer Bananas Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:43:00 - [1] I write this in the full knowledge that 1. ISS will attempt to discredit me 2. That my time in ISS will be "limited" after (have already removed my roles) 3. That most people will either not give a crap or point and laugh FIRST: T-K-B the corp I am in is one of the best corps not only in ISS but in the game, and the following is in no way a refelection on the CEO or the T-K-B members. My time in ISS: A few months ago I left the game auctioned of my character via Eve-O and gave the isk and my assets to a Real life friend in the game. Bored a while later I came back and my friend gave me some of the isk back to buy a character from Eve-O. I decided to try a different path than previously ( I was a pirate and Caldari) and got a mimatar pilot and joined ISS to take part in large scale alliance gaming. Very early on I saw there were some problems. in ISS home systems the defence was erratic to say the least, many ISS didnt even know how to set up overviews correctly, therewas no strategy to deal with AFK cloakers, despite being a dead end system ISS used to group up at a POS 36AU from the gate and send in bait ships, and then were surprised when it popped before the defence gang dropped out of warp. I proposed some easy to make changes to help alleviate these problems, and while ISS management nodded and agreed nothing was done. and ISS members kept on dying needlessly. Having very few assets I struggled to make isk while taking part in the war, but I joined as many operations as I could, certainly many more than the majority of ISS 700+ members. and even FC'd on a couple of occassions. Whie I have no like at all for Goons I was extremely vocal on the ISS forums about the need for ISS to make its own decisions and destiny. Being allied to BOB was not a problem for me, being devoid of our own initiative and having no clear ISS plans were a worry. because of this I was labelled a trouble maker. When ISS was told to abandon Esoteria by BOB some of us argued strongly against this. We wanted to at least go down fighting like men and not running to hide behind BOB's skirts. We were exremely worried that no one seemd to have any idea of what ISS was going to do or become other than we were going to Fountain. When we voiced opur concerns via the ISS forums a director stated he didnt even know why we were still in the alliance. This led to an unseemly row and I was banned for a 2 day cooling off period. Since that point I havent posted on ISS forums or got involved in the politics, although the tempatation to say "I told you so " when BOB stabbed ISS in the back this week was immense. 2 weeks later and I and the others who called for us to make some distance between ISS and BOB, to create our own path, and too regain our independance have been banned from ISS forums. The act of dissention against managemnent decisions is not allowed. I decided to take a few days away from the game and informed my CEO, who has asked me to leave the corps while on the break. I cannot post any of this directly to ISS members alone, so I will post it here. ISS will never again become a major alliance until it breaks free of outside influences and starts to do what is best for ISS not its allies. Until it takes decisions based opn the best path for its members nots its landlords. I wish all the member pilots of ISS the very best, there are many great people amongst you, To the management of ISS .. grow some balls and listen to your pilots BEFORE your friends in other alliances. This post is now open for you all to flame me wether in ISS or not !!!
Major Stormer Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:46:00 - [2] And yet, this isnt rare. Good luck to you! Yo, sig it!
faterror Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:55:00 - [3] You're not devilwoman
Socrates Nacht Tropical Killer Bananas Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Socrates Nacht on 25/11/2007 13:03:58 Originally by: faterror You're not devilwoman If I was I would have done a lot better than cut and pasting random out of context bits from forums...
faterror Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:07:00 - [5] Strategic copy+pasting is very strategic
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:09:00 - [6] OK, I read all of it and found it interesting. It is however both sad, and amusing at the same time, given that there was a very vocal part of EVE telling how much ISS sucks and is a BoB pet. The last turn of events shows not only how these things are true, but also how ISS and Count don't exist as a political entity. Not only did they get set neutral, and flamed by BoB on forums; but Count crawled back to his masters to get a smack on the wrist, while thanking his overlords for their kindness. Quite sad to see people like this, that don't have the guts to be independent even on a videogame.
Alice Cholmondeley I Am Legend	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Quite sad to see people like this, that don't have the guts to be independent even on a videogame. Coming from a paid for community, rolling into the game supported by that same base of people you're talking about being independent almost like you are. Did you hit your head?
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:30:00 - [8] Telling us that ISS are a terrible joke of an alliance, barely know how to play the game and have no political skills beyond the ability to give head isn't really news. But thanks for the thread.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Quite sad to see people like this, that don't have the guts to be independent even on a videogame. Coming from a paid for community, rolling into the game supported by that same base of people you're talking about being independent almost like you are. Did you hit your head?
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.25 13:43:00 - [10] I would like to take a moment to say that i quite like ISS. Fighting them in tenerifis was some of my first pvp experiences and one of the most fun periods in game for me. Had lots of fun banter in local and generally a good time so im not gonna hop on ISS smackwagon same way i dont hop on the rise smack wagon as i always enjoyed fighting with them.
Hungo Minmatar Unholy Foundation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:07:00 - [11] ISS will always look for the big boys, u can guarantee it I guarantee they will join up with GSwarm Ill quote this in 6 months :0
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Quite sad to see people like this, that don't have the guts to be independent even on a videogame. Coming from a paid for community, rolling into the game supported by that same base of people you're talking about being independent almost like you are. Did you hit your head? That could be a nice troll, but unluckily you really don't get goons or goonswarm.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:15:00 - [13] OP. ISS have taken their own path. They decided not to do as BOB asked. Now BOB have reset standings. You call it backstabbing by BOB. Exactly who was stabbing who in the back after you admit ISS is rubbish at holding any space is open to question. ISS want to live under BOBs skirts but also think they will just take a bit of space in the meantime, space they have not worked for and prolly incapable of holding. You got what you wanted, ISS walking their own path. Now ISS have some tough times ahead. I am really sorry to see it has worked out like this, coz anything that kills a Goon is worth keeping. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Hungo I guarantee they will join up with GSwarm Ill quote this in 6 months I'm not convinced ISS will still exist in any coherent form 6 months from now, maybe not even 6 weeks. And if they ever approached us asking for our help its more likely we'd wardec them on the spot.
Alice Cholmondeley I Am Legend	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus That could be a nice troll, but unluckily you really don't get goons or goonswarm. Don't worry, i get by. But do come again, i like how you think you're special.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Cippalippus Primus That could be a nice troll, but unluckily you really don't get goons or goonswarm. Don't worry, i get by. But do come again, i like how you think you're special. Ignore the "get goon" comments its what they resort to when they cannot come up with a good answer or when you hit the nail on the head and they need a responce.
nye 2k Silver Snake Enterprise Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:44:00 - [17] the OP is a suspected spy maybe even the one who has been posting on eve-o for some months.......... please be aware when accpeting him into alliances as this is how he treats them.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Quite sad to see people like this, that don't have the guts to be independent even on a videogame. Coming from a paid for community, rolling into the game supported by that same base of people you're talking about being independent almost like you are. Did you hit your head? It's obvious you don't "get" goons. Also, your explanation makes absolutely no sense. mylp. Originally by: Omega Man OP. ISS have taken their own path. They decided not to do as BOB asked. Now BOB have reset standings. You call it backstabbing by BOB. Exactly who was stabbing who in the back after you admit ISS is rubbish at holding any space is open to question. ISS want to live under BOBs skirts but also think they will just take a bit of space in the meantime, space they have not worked for and prolly incapable of holding. You got what you wanted, ISS walking their own path. Now ISS have some tough times ahead. I am really sorry to see it has worked out like this, coz anything that kills a Goon is worth keeping. Quoting failure. ISS went back to sucking the BoB donge.
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:48:00 - [19] Originally by: nye 2k the OP is a suspected spy maybe even the one who has been posting on eve-o for some months.......... please be aware when accpeting him into alliances as this is how he treats them. So anyone who doesn't suck bob's **** is a spy these days? No one is allowed to think individually? You guys disgust me, crawling back to bob.
Kyoi Shuttles Dont Tank Well	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:51:00 - [20] Ah yes Socrates I remember you. During the ED-L9T defence in a 400man friendly fleet you felt the need to whine at the FC that he wasnt doing well enough and was wasting assets because he hadnt asked for the carriers to assign fighters to people guarding the gates (the carriers were repping the pos and no hostile gang was spotted, I think the 300 support ships could deal with most threats). After this rant you then said you would be leaving gang and teamspeak until we sorted it, we told you to shut the **** up and laughed rather heartily. If your suggestions to ISS were as useless I am not surprised they didn't listen to you.
Socrates Nacht Tropical Killer Bananas Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:53:00 - [21] Originally by: nye 2k the OP is a suspected spy maybe even the one who has been posting on eve-o for some months.......... please be aware when accpeting him into alliances as this is how he treats them. Nice Nye, Seeing as how you were the ISS management that called for anyone who questioned where the blind loyalty to BOB was taking us to be evicted from the alliance, I expected as much from you. So as a "spy" what access did I have to spy at? what information could I have passed over to anyone? I guess that anyone who thinks that you and the other management were making the wrong decisions for ISS is a spy. Oh yes then.. I am a Goon/AAA/IAC/BOB/BRUCE/RISE spy, I get paid by all of them to reveal all the deep secrets I know about ISS from my high level of access I have. (Count often consulted me on which way to go) OR You banned me and others because we dare tell you that us at the bottom of the food chain in ISS are concerned of the directions and actions YOU were taking supposedly on our behalf. To paraphrase you: becareful of joining ISS because this is the way they treat anyone who dares to voice a different point of view.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:53:00 - [22] Originally by: nye 2k the OP is a suspected spy maybe even the one who has been posting on eve-o for some months.......... please be aware when accpeting him into alliances as this is how he treats them. Any decent spy would shut the fsck up and not draw attention to himself. :spy101: ISS even fails at trying to discredit people, no surprise there.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:53:00 - [23] Originally by: nye 2k the OP is a suspected spy maybe even the one who has been posting on eve-o for some months.......... please be aware when accpeting him into alliances as this is how he treats them. "Must try harder" is the verdict on this effort. Who is he spying for? What the hell is he doing in ISS if you suspect he is a spy. Seems he has been causing trouble in ISS but there he remains. A trouble-maker and a spy. He sure must be important to ISS to keep him. Or alternatively, he is someone rather vocal and ISS neither have the skills to: a. take on board what he is saying. b. show him his plan would take ISS into a place they have no hope in hell of remaining in Or alternatively: a. Prove he is a spy and kick him out. b. Not prove he is a spy and still kick him out. I suspect half of ISS to be useless arses sitting about sucking down isk, hoping they are not going to be called to do anything. The leadership seems to be ineffective and useless. I'll take this loudmouth spy over that lot anyday of the week. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:57:00 - [24] Pretty much thought he sounded like a planted spy as i read the op tbh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Bran Stormer GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:57:00 - [25] Originally by: marakor Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Cippalippus Primus That could be a nice troll, but unluckily you really don't get goons or goonswarm. Don't worry, i get by. But do come again, i like how you think you're special. Ignore the "get goon" comments its what they resort to when they cannot come up with a good answer or when you hit the nail on the head and they need a responce. I don't think you "get" goons.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:59:00 - [26] Originally by: marakor Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Cippalippus Primus That could be a nice troll, but unluckily you really don't get goons or goonswarm. Don't worry, i get by. But do come again, i like how you think you're special. Ignore the "get goon" comments its what they resort to when they cannot come up with a good answer or when you hit the nail on the head and they need a responce. The irony of being smacked by two alts that are forbidden to post with their main by their corporation/alliance. The irony.
Socrates Nacht Tropical Killer Bananas Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 14:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Kyoi Ah yes Socrates I remember you. During the ED-L9T defence in a 400man friendly fleet you felt the need to whine at the FC that he wasnt doing well enough and was wasting assets because he hadnt asked for the carriers to assign fighters to people guarding the gates (the carriers were repping the pos and no hostile gang was spotted, I think the 300 support ships could deal with most threats). After this rant you then said you would be leaving gang and teamspeak until we sorted it, we told you to shut the **** up and laughed rather heartily. If your suggestions to ISS were as useless I am not surprised they didn't listen to you. Yup, at a "quiet point" I requested that fighters be assigned as we were expecting trouble, I did not leave TS or the gang I logged as funnily enough I had other things to do, I made a suggestion that was overuled, I also suggested that we had a small POS near the gate in BZ so that the bait ships that kept getting sent to the gate didnt die while the support gang tried to warp 36 AU's to get there, also a bad idea? I also suggested that members are shown how to set up overviews so they didnt shoot freindlies, another bad idea? I also suggested that to combat the cloakers we also had guys who were afk go afk at a pos rather than in station so the cloakers would not know if they were active or not, another bad idea? At least I had thoughts and comments, and did take part, unfortunatly as has been shown trying to have an input that isnt 100% in line with management means getting booted. Perhaps you are happy being a drone without any say, personally I like having an input,
Shirokko Papshimar Gallente SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.25 15:06:00 - [28] poasting in a faterror thread
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.11.25 15:09:00 - [29] Whats up in this thread guys? Alice stirring up Goons again? :welp: -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.11.25 15:10:00 - [30] LOL Death to bob and everyone whom support them. ISS are doomed to fail they will die, fight bob or die fighting with them, while losing everything you have, + your fun in the game will be lost as well, for fun time, call. Delve is free for taking, fountain is soon lost. Iss is a proof and continuation of what happend to xelas BOb will destory anyone whom holds there hand. just fight and kill bob, and you will get your own region, stations, and space to live in. fight for, die for. FIght bob to have fun, its the only way. DEATH TO BOB Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn

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