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Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:54:00 -
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Anyone else getting tired of this constant moaning and b****ing about "waaaa titan killed me... waaa nerf titan.. waaaa i should be able to kill titan... waaa OP tracking... waaaa i dont care if they spent 2 years and 100bil buying the ship and have dedicated character. My drake should be able to kill titan waaaa... waaa... waaa... My alliance blobs with 800 maels but dosent field any caps and still expects to be able to own titans.. waaa...
Let me tell you something, its NOT the 'OP' tracking of titans. Its 50 titans shooting at you. You can make a blob of ANYTHING, if you bring enough of it you will win.
Anyone ever wonder why NCDOT and PL have some of the biggest cap fleets in game? BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY USE THEM. Now, lets assume that you have a titan (impossible i know). Now, lets say you were in an alliance that only fights with subcaps and never has the balls to field their caps. Would you not join an alliance that fields them instead?
Also, before you give me the arguement about "they have balls to field them only cause they got like 50 titans". No you are wrong. I know for a fact that when ncdot started off they only had a handfull of titans. Its the FC's that had the balls to field them and create a reputation for the alliance that made others with supers/titans join. Sometimes you welp a whole super fleet, but thats the risk you take. Also, having a program that builds free titans/supers for members might help instead of RMTing the tech isk.
So, everyone who moans about ncdot/pl having a monopoly with titans can blame your own alliance FCs/leaders. Maybe if other major alliances had the balls to field their own caps.. MAYBE... all your cap pilots wouldn't have left your alliance to join ncdot/pl. |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:33:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Those 800 Maels cost well over 160 billion, so by your logic, they SHOULD own your titan. Thank you for proving our point, death2alltitans.
Feligast wrote:Yes, because isk value is absolutely the best way to determine who should win. Why have weapons?
See what i did there? |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:43:00 -
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When did i talk about tactics? |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:50:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics? Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now?
You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent. |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:11:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:Feligast wrote:Sameyaa wrote:When did i talk about tactics? Did I quote you when I said that? Do I have to teach you how to read now? You are not very bright are you? Please go ahead and quote ME where i supposedly talked about 'tactics'. If you are going to troll then you still need to be somewhat intelligent. When did I say you did talk about tactics? Why you so ~mad~, bro?
Lol |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:46:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:itt people don't know that 50 titans are impossible to match in subcaps without fielding more people than eve can handle
you guys know that a blob of titans literally does not die right
That is why you bring your own caps along with your subcaps. I can gaurentee you that goons have as much supers/titans as ncdot/pl do. Difference is that they never put them to use. If goons actually field 800 maels like they do AND bring their cap fleet they could easily win. |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:32:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:Sameyaa wrote:Killstealing wrote:itt people don't know that 50 titans are impossible to match in subcaps without fielding more people than eve can handle
you guys know that a blob of titans literally does not die right That is why you bring your own caps along with your subcaps. I can gaurentee you that goons have as much supers/titans as ncdot/pl do. Difference is that they never put them to use. If goons actually field 800 maels like they do AND bring their cap fleet they could easily win. We don't deploy supers because all the elite pvp supercap alliances up here are blue and together vastly outnumber our fleet. Only need a sniff of goon supers to have the whole north alight with cynos scrambling for a counter drop. It's easy to swing your balls around when you can use supers with impunity.
Sounds like a personal problem. lol.
But all joking aside - So, you would like ccp to nerf titans then so you can defeat them WITHOUT using your own caps (which is what they are designed for in the first place) ? |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:17:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:Nerfing so they can blap several fleets but lose a couple of guys in the process would be fine. Or making it so subcaps couldn't touch supers and vice versa would also do. But day-to-day 50 guys shouldn't decide a battle that involves hundreds or thousands, that's just bad design and unfun.
But do you realize how vulnerable titans are already in these 'blap' fits they use to get aditional tracking to fight subcaps?
- An erebus for example will have at most 30mil ehp in a blap fit.
- I know that goons for example are capable of fielding 3 full fleets of maels. Lets say, thats 750maels with 850 dps and 10k volley each.
- That would be a combined 637500 dps and 7.5MIL alpha every 17 seconds.
- That would also be as much dps as 90 avatars FYI
- Erebus will die in 4 volleys, or 4x17 = 68 seconds (1 min)
- That much dps will require reps from 386 capital reps to keep it alive (assuming 80% resist with blap fit).
- Now, lets say we field on average 50 carriers along with titans. Each carrier would require more than 7 reps permarunning to keep erebus alive, which is not possible.
So your wish that
Quote:Nerfing so they can blap several fleets but lose a couple of guys in the process would be fine.
Is already possible |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:10:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Gas Thread, Ban OP. I'm not a Titan pilot, and never plan to be one- the obvious problem with Titans is literally the only counter to them is to have more Titans. You can talk all day about how vulnerable blap-titans are and how easily they are destroyed  but factor in that most people that employ this bullshit do it from the relative safety of being inside POS shields, even with thier awkward ship agility, its simply not feasible to kill something that can be untargetable at will.
Don't know which server you are playing on if u think titans are only used in the safety of pos shields. Also,
Quote: only counter to them is to have more Titans
Is a poorly thought off and overused arguement, that makes absolutely no sense. I can also say that only counter to maels is more maels. Only counter to a tengu fleet is more tengus etc etc. |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:02:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Sameyaa wrote:
Is a poorly thought off and overused arguement, that makes absolutely no sense. I can also say that only counter to maels is more maels. Only counter to a tengu fleet is more tengus etc etc.
I simply meant that the only counter to titan spam, that the cluster can currently handle, even with TiDi is with more titans. Maels are countered by TenguFleet. TenguFleet is countered by AHACs. Etc, etc. almost every other fleet doctrine has a counter that involves other ships. Sure numbers will win regardless of skill level, but saying that there is a subcap/cap titan counter without an equal/greater number of titans is just absurd, or the hostiles are suffering from soul crushing lag (which seldom happens anymore). To be honest, the "I got a titan and you don't, so I don't want them nerfed hurf blurf" argument is just as poorly though of and overused.
I guess you completely overlooked the part where i explain in detail how maels kill a erebus in 4 volleys. Also, even if u engage a group of titans with more titans, you will still sustain losses on your side. You dont magically take no losses because you have more titans. Same concept with maels, do you know how long titans will take to shoot down 700+ maels with tidi? lag works both ways my friend. And it would be easier for the maels since they do not have to constantly keep switching targets.
Heres another idea to counter titans. Bring like 300 dreads? even if 50 get dd, you still have 250 dreads left that will do 3.3 MIL DPS. Either way, there are many options - the fact that people ignore them and choose to cry for a nerf is sad.
No tengus are not countered by ahacs, these 'dongcat' setups rzr use will never work. Tengus work against maels only if you are in perfect range - too close and maels will instapop you, too far and you wont be doing dps. |
Sameyaa
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:lmao 9 months in tri mk. whatever and the titan blob is like the best friend you never had joiners are hilarious!
Has nothing to contribute to arguement, so resorts to personal attacks. Typical mindless troll.. |
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