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Chaplain Havok	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:40:13 Heck i might be late on the news but DO I SEE THAT 5% BONUS TO TURRET DAMAGE???? ITT DISCUSS YOUR HAPPINESS!!!! Paladin * Hull: Apocalypse / Carthum Conglomerate * Slots: 7/4/7, 4 turrets * Fitting: 500tf, 13,500mw * Drones: 75Mbit/s bandwidth, 75m3 dronebay * Sensors: 12pt radar, 10 target locks * Propulsion: 125m/s, 110,000,000kg * Tech II resistance bonus: 25% explosive, 12.5% kinetic Bonuses: * 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per Amarr BS level * 2% bonus to stasis webifier velocity factor per Amarr BS level * 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Marauder level * 5% bonus to large energy turret damage per Marauder level * Role bonus: 100% bonus to large energy turret damage * Role bonus: 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams EDIT: DIVERSITY FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111111 LULZ KK
Leviathani Darkri Fatalix Inc. THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:42:00 - [2] Perhaps you should consider decaf...
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:43:00 - [3] OH MAH GOD!!~! WTF ANNOYING????!?!?!?!?!? FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111111 LULZ KK Idiot, post properly. And I actually preferred the tracking bonus, because tracking = more dps in my mind. ============================================
Chaplain Havok	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:43:00 - [4] Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:44:28 Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:43:47 Originally by: Leviathani Darkri Perhaps you should consider decaf... Hm.... LULZ TIS THE GREAT QUAFE!!!!! But seriously, am I uber late or something ^^ Edit: Nifty, DPS means DAMAGE per second. KTHXBYE Edit 2: 109 views after 5 minutes of posting. I think I made my point with the title
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:46:00 - [5] and not tracking = 0 dps Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Chaplain Havok	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Lt Angus and not tracking = 0 dps hahaha Man I know right? After all, webbing dosent do anything for tracking
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Chaplain Havok Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:44:28 Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:43:47 Originally by: Leviathani Darkri Perhaps you should consider decaf... Hm.... LULZ TIS THE GREAT QUAFE!!!!! But seriously, am I uber late or something ^^ Edit: Nifty, DPS means DAMAGE per second. KTHXBYE Edit 2: 109 views after 5 minutes of posting. I think I made my point with the title More Tracking = More DPS because you hit more. It may not look that way on quickfit, or to all you newbies obsessd with "lol omg wtf DPS", but to people like myself who have been playing for a long time, I'll take the tracking bonus over the damage. ESPECIALLY in this nano era we live in. ============================================
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:48:00 - [8] We need a special forum for special people. Somewhere that isn't here. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:48:00 - [9] Edited by: Cadiz on 25/11/2007 20:49:04 Originally by: Chaplain Havok Originally by: Lt Angus and not tracking = 0 dps hahaha Man I know right? After all, webbing dosent do anything for tracking Better tracking relative to your target translates into better hit quality, which means better "real world" DPS. It's not just a matter of hitting or not hitting - it means a better chance of landing good hits instead of barely/glancing ones. It doesn't show up in your raw DPS calculations, but it's there. Haha, snap, N1fty and I basically said the same thing. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Chaplain Havok Originally by: Lt Angus and not tracking = 0 dps hahaha Man I know right? After all, webbing dosent do anything for tracking That was him saying that if you cant track, you cant hit. WTS: Clue. ============================================
Chaplain Havok	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:53:00 - [11] Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:54:30 Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:53:36 Originally by: N1fty Originally by: Chaplain Havok Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:44:28 Edited by: Chaplain Havok on 25/11/2007 20:43:47 Originally by: Leviathani Darkri Perhaps you should consider decaf... Hm.... LULZ TIS THE GREAT QUAFE!!!!! But seriously, am I uber late or something ^^ Edit: Nifty, DPS means DAMAGE per second. KTHXBYE Edit 2: 109 views after 5 minutes of posting. I think I made my point with the title More Tracking = More DPS because you hit more. It may not look that way on quickfit, or to all you newbies obsessd with "lol omg wtf DPS", but to people like myself who have been playing for a long time, I'll take the tracking bonus over the damage. ESPECIALLY in this nano era we live in. Perhaps, but unless you're in a scenario where you need that tracking bonus (which i think is a lot less than say.. a damage bonus), you'll be gimped to hell. Especially in a Paladin vs any other marauder/bs or any ship that dosent nano outside of web range scenario. EDIT 237 views... time to experiment. If i change the title, will the # of views decrease or increase?
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Chaplain Havok Perhaps, but unless you're in a scenario where you need that tracking bonus, you'll be gimped to hell. Especially in a Paladin vs any other marauder/bs or any ship that dosent nano outside of web range scenario. As said above it affects your QUALITY of hits. Just because you got a hit doesnt mean you got as much damage as you could have done if you had better tracking. Put down your DPS calculator and THINK. ============================================
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:56:00 - [13] You rendered your argument moot. At Marauder V that's 125% damage bonus for large energy turrets. That's some pretty heavy damage output, even if it is only for 4 turrets.
Chaplain Havok	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:56:00 - [14] Originally by: N1fty Originally by: Chaplain Havok Perhaps, but unless you're in a scenario where you need that tracking bonus, you'll be gimped to hell. Especially in a Paladin vs any other marauder/bs or any ship that dosent nano outside of web range scenario. As said above it affects your QUALITY of hits. Just because you got a hit doesnt mean you got as much damage as you could have done if you had better tracking. Put down your DPS calculator and THINK. Quality? That shouldnt be affected at all. http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g25.asp Its the % chance to hit that changes however now this boils down to, is hitting less but more dps better or hitting more but less dps better? Quite frankly, I'd want hit less and more dps becasue then you have both scenario covered. One where you go head to head and the other where you try to catch someone whos orbiting.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:58:00 - [15] Edited by: N1fty on 25/11/2007 20:58:27 Originally by: Mister Xerox You rendered your argument moot. At Marauder V that's 125% damage bonus for large energy turrets. That's some pretty heavy damage output, even if it is only for 4 turrets. Yeah its awesome damage, especially if you are missing the whole time. I'll take the 137.5% bonus to tracking thanks. I'll actually hit something. EDIT: and its well known the above guide is merely a GUIDE. ============================================
Chaplain Havok	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:01:00 - [16] So would you say that since it is a "guide", it does not actually define how tracking works?
Bentula	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:02:00 - [17] Originally by: N1fty As said above it affects your QUALITY of hits. Just because you got a hit doesnt mean you got as much damage as you could have done if you had better tracking. Put down your DPS calculator and THINK. Ehrm no. Lasers already have good tracking at their optimal ranges, and way below its optimal this ship has a very powerful webbing bonus. So no, extra damage > extra tracking past a certain amount of tracking. And your amount of normal, wrecking or scratching hits is not affected by tracking much, only clear misses are.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Bentula Originally by: N1fty As said above it affects your QUALITY of hits. Just because you got a hit doesnt mean you got as much damage as you could have done if you had better tracking. Put down your DPS calculator and THINK. Ehrm no. Lasers already have good tracking at their optimal ranges, and way below its optimal this ship has a very powerful webbing bonus. So no, extra damage > extra tracking past a certain amount of tracking. And your amount of normal, wrecking or scratching hits is not affected by tracking much, only clear misses are. The fact that you have DPS on only 4 guns instead of across 7 means that a miss is a LOT more costly in terms of DPS. And I think you underestimate the effect of tracking on your DPS. ============================================
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:09:00 - [19] Get a tackler or a huginn.
Freddy Kuger Snakes in a Pod.	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:16:00 - [20] Nifty's right, everyone else is wrong /end thread
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:16:00 - [21] Originally by: N1fty Originally by: Bentula Originally by: N1fty As said above it affects your QUALITY of hits. Just because you got a hit doesnt mean you got as much damage as you could have done if you had better tracking. Put down your DPS calculator and THINK. Ehrm no. Lasers already have good tracking at their optimal ranges, and way below its optimal this ship has a very powerful webbing bonus. So no, extra damage > extra tracking past a certain amount of tracking. And your amount of normal, wrecking or scratching hits is not affected by tracking much, only clear misses are. The fact that you have DPS on only 4 guns instead of across 7 means that a miss is a LOT more costly in terms of DPS. And I think you underestimate the effect of tracking on your DPS. the same logic works in reverse, that a hit is that much better especially wreckings, so using that for your logic is kind of pointless.
Grapez Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:19:00 - [22] Is there any definitive answer on how tracking affects hit quality? I've often wondered about the damage/tracking trade off when equiping mods, so it'd be nice if someone who know the ins and outs of Eve could reply.
itasteofcheese	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:20:00 - [23] Edited by: itasteofcheese on 25/11/2007 21:20:17 you do realise that with the bonus it gets the same dps as an abbadon, and an abbadon is cheeper too :)
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Crumplecorn We need a special forum for special people. Somewhere that isn't here. Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Alpine 69 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Crumplecorn We need a special forum for special people. Somewhere that isn't here. A++ Would read again. Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth
Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:40:00 - [26] Originally by: itasteofcheese Edited by: itasteofcheese on 25/11/2007 21:20:17 you do realise that with the bonus it gets the same dps as an abbadon, and an abbadon is cheeper too :) An Abaddon can't fit 3 neuts along with its 8 turrets. --- Forums are what?
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.11.25 22:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Kiviar Originally by: itasteofcheese Edited by: itasteofcheese on 25/11/2007 21:20:17 you do realise that with the bonus it gets the same dps as an abbadon, and an abbadon is cheeper too :) An Abaddon can't fit 3 neuts along with its 8 turrets. apparently with the grid/cpu of the pallidin, neither can it. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
KarGard	Posted - 2007.11.25 22:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Lithalnas Originally by: Kiviar Originally by: itasteofcheese Edited by: itasteofcheese on 25/11/2007 21:20:17 you do realise that with the bonus it gets the same dps as an abbadon, and an abbadon is cheeper too :) An Abaddon can't fit 3 neuts along with its 8 turrets. apparently with the grid/cpu of the pallidin, neither can it. That would be wrong.
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.25 23:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Chaplain Havok Originally by: N1fty Originally by: Chaplain Havok Perhaps, but unless you're in a scenario where you need that tracking bonus, you'll be gimped to hell. Especially in a Paladin vs any other marauder/bs or any ship that dosent nano outside of web range scenario. As said above it affects your QUALITY of hits. Just because you got a hit doesnt mean you got as much damage as you could have done if you had better tracking. Put down your DPS calculator and THINK. Quality? That shouldnt be affected at all. http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g25.asp Its the % chance to hit that changes however now this boils down to, is hitting less but more dps better or hitting more but less dps better? Quite frankly, I'd want hit less and more dps becasue then you have both scenario covered. One where you go head to head and the other where you try to catch someone whos orbiting. That guide is wrong. check this thread: http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=4845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hit+quality+formula&start=0&sid=3cc38b943c902b1e59b40728ff1fe1bd There's also a link in the first post there. And then there's some experiment that Farjung did once, should be searchable here.
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.25 23:13:00 - [30] What a thread. Maybe the damage bonus was implemented because it works best along with the web bonus ? Durrrrr.

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