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Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:12:00 - [31] Originally by: James Peabody Trolling removed. Please stay on topic. While you may disagree with the OP and think his corp is a "wannabe" there are plenty of people interested in hearing a story - Valorem look man, I'm stretching to a bare thread here. And tbh I want to unleash all my voices on you, but I'll hold it down. We had a job. We atempted to do that job. We couldn't do that job. We returned the money we were payed for that job. Now stop trolling. EVE doesn't go arround the big alliances only, and if you don't want to read about it, simply don't post, or do you care enough to troll everything that doesn't fit on the bigger scheme? --- planetary interaction idea!
Kayleigh Lothian Minmatar KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:13:00 - [32] Originally by: James Peabody His fault as much as yours I suppose, next time he should hire one of the bigger guys. meh. Or perhaps try to provide intel that are semi-close to the truth? Offlined Minmatar tower that became "fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station" and a ***lente one too. Blah blah blah about wasting time, since your chickening out and alt posting, couldn't you have said that in a shorter way? Anyway, nice to see that you are out shooting stuff Viqer, you'll have those extra few seconds next time :) Just one thing, did alex need to clean out his pod? ;) ----------------------
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Kayleigh Lothian did alex need to clean out his pod? ;) yes --- planetary interaction idea!
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:29:00 - [34] very nice report, like you rarely see around here
James Peabody Gallente Freedom of Speach	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: James Peabody Trolling removed. Please stay on topic. While you may disagree with the OP and think his corp is a "wannabe" there are plenty of people interested in hearing a story - Valorem Reply to moderated post removed - Valorem Please do not discuss moderator actions on the forum. Mail us at [email protected] if you have an issue - Valorem
Kayleigh Lothian Minmatar KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:38:00 - [36] Originally by: James Peabody Your EDIT of my post is in fact a total disgrace, a petition is being filed as we speak. Not to be a smartass or anything, but isn't this the second time in this thread that you "discuss" moderation? ----------------------
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:53:00 - [37] Originally by: Kayleigh Lothian Originally by: James Peabody Your EDIT of my post is in fact a total disgrace, a petition is being filed as we speak. Not to be a smartass or anything, but isn't this the second time in this thread that you "discuss" moderation? aren't you doing it too? discussing about discussing moderation
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:08:00 - [38] So what the op is saying is that when you could have taken the tower out, you faild, and cryed like a littel girl and jumped out? omg its only like Mc, its not like they got any skill. they just blooob with caps, and think they are special. we will Deal with em after bob is dead, they will suffer. Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:18:00 - [39] Actually, it sounded like someone had their head on straight to order the pullout when the cyno went up. Ego and glory is one thing, but completing the contract at the expense of your corporation's fighting force isn't much of a win either. Pyhrrus would have been proud.

ISD Valorem Amarr ISD STAR	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:24:00 - [40] Guys and Girls, Posts about discussing moderation have been removed. Please stay on topic and be respectful and courteous to each other. Trolling, flaming, ranting and spam will be dealt with accordingly. forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.11.27 14:27:00 - [41] Nice report, thanks
dhav kincaide Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:07:00 - [42] Cool write up, and props for giving it a go. That said... Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: James Peabody Trolling removed. Please stay on topic. While you may disagree with the OP and think his corp is a "wannabe" there are plenty of people interested in hearing a story - Valorem look man, I'm stretching to a bare thread here. And tbh I want to unleash all my voices on you, but I'll hold it down. We had a job. We atempted to do that job. We couldn't do that job. We returned the money we were payed for that job. Now stop trolling. EVE doesn't go arround the big alliances only, and if you don't want to read about it, simply don't post, or do you care enough to troll everything that doesn't fit on the bigger scheme? Why? You did about 10x what you were originally asked/contracted to do, and because of that were put in a situation that you shouldn't have been in. Seems to me like a great time to pull one of the ever-so-common (and in this case, quite justifiable) movie plot twists out of the bag, and demand triple. Good stuff none the less.
James Peabody Gallente Freedom of Speach	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:23:00 - [43] I'll Try again. Well the guy that said that basically you failed, was maybe trolling, but he was also right..... You are a pretty small Merc force.. 20 ish members on at peak? You take on an ISS POS in empire, most players that this would take a decent sized force, props for trying of course, but really a little out of your league, luckily it would seem for you that MC were given the wrong time by their client, or you'd have lost your dreads and some. As a Merc Corp an employer should expect a realistic view of what you can and cannot achieve to be presented to him, failing as a Merc corp is never good (and you say thats your first contract also?), and by the grace of god you got away with his one, might not be so lucky next time, refunded your employer I should hope? Better to leave those sort of jobs to the bigger boys like MC, KIA, TRI etc, and stick to ganking Alliances in empire.. surely? A lot of "gratz boys" etc on this thread, nice when you can get that for a failed contract, shows the power of a well written story, but the reality remains, as Grimpak honourably admits, you essentially bit of way more than a Merc Group of your size can chew. Your employers fault as much as yours I suppose, next time he should hire one of the bigger guys. meh. Yes I am an Alt, my Mains Alliance doesn't allow me to post here, but none the less I value my right of opinion, this is not trolling, I am not looking for an argument, I am simply stating how I feel about your account of what happened
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Bran Stormer Did Grimpak manage to keep everything together whilst this was going on, or did he lose it and start talking to himself in local? Just pray MDK and Trinity never get contracted on the same job, as the forum whorage which Grimpak and myself would bring to the event would be mind-boggling!
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:25:00 - [45] Originally by: James Peabody I'll Try again. Well the guy that said that basically you failed, was maybe trolling, but he was also right..... You are a pretty small Merc force.. 20 ish members on at peak? You take on an ISS POS in empire, most players that this would take a decent sized force, props for trying of course, but really a little out of your league, luckily it would seem for you that MC were given the wrong time by their client, or you'd have lost your dreads and some. As a Merc Corp an employer should expect a realistic view of what you can and cannot achieve to be presented to him, failing as a Merc corp is never good (and you say thats your first contract also?), and by the grace of god you got away with his one, might not be so lucky next time, refunded your employer I should hope? Better to leave those sort of jobs to the bigger boys like MC, KIA, TRI etc, and stick to ganking Alliances in empire.. surely? A lot of "gratz boys" etc on this thread, nice when you can get that for a failed contract, shows the power of a well written story, but the reality remains, as Grimpak honourably admits, you essentially bit of way more than a Merc Group of your size can chew. Your employers fault as much as yours I suppose, next time he should hire one of the bigger guys. meh. Yes I am an Alt, my Mains Alliance doesn't allow me to post here, but none the less I value my right of opinion, this is not trolling, I am not looking for an argument, I am simply stating how I feel about your account of what happened I think you fail to understand the amount of firepower some "small merc corps" can bring to the table...some of these corps can field more caps and supercaps than many alliances... Or so I've heard!
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:28:00 - [46] I do understand your query regarding the payment. We returned the Isk because we have a sense of honour in that we are paid to do a job and we accepted the job even after we discovered the basis of the contract had changed. It was therefore felt right to return the money although I do believe that yes we could easily have argued otherwise. Click here to visit our site
Vespya Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm Black Scope Project	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:37:00 - [47] Originally by: James Peabody I'll Try again. ... You really shouldn't have bothered. They were contracted for a specific job that they felt was within their ability to do so. When they arrived at the site they found that they had been given bad information by their client, and the job tasked was MUCH greater than that contracted for, many other Mercs in this position would have aligned and warped out right at this point and either negotitaed a part refund, or even kept the fee, or renegotiated based on the ACTUAL task at hand. I think it shows immense character to stay and attempt to complete the task regardless, let alone get the PoS down to <1% Structure. The props they are getting is not for what they failed to do, but for their handling of the situation and near victory, it deserves props. Bravo to Viqer & TN IMO, you showed class, wits and smart operations, above and beyond the task you were contracted for.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:46:00 - [48] Originally by: James Peabody I'll Try again. Well the guy that said that basically you failed, was maybe trolling, but he was also right..... You are a pretty small Merc force.. 20 ish members on at peak? You take on an ISS POS in empire, most players that this would take a decent sized force, props for trying of course, but really a little out of your league, luckily it would seem for you that MC were given the wrong time by their client, or you'd have lost your dreads and some. As a Merc Corp an employer should expect a realistic view of what you can and cannot achieve to be presented to him, failing as a Merc corp is never good (and you say thats your first contract also?), and by the grace of god you got away with his one, might not be so lucky next time, refunded your employer I should hope? Better to leave those sort of jobs to the bigger boys like MC, KIA, TRI etc, and stick to ganking Alliances in empire.. surely? A lot of "gratz boys" etc on this thread, nice when you can get that for a failed contract, shows the power of a well written story, but the reality remains, as Grimpak honourably admits, you essentially bit of way more than a Merc Group of your size can chew. Your employers fault as much as yours I suppose, next time he should hire one of the bigger guys. meh. Yes I am an Alt, my Mains Alliance doesn't allow me to post here, but none the less I value my right of opinion, this is not trolling, I am not looking for an argument, I am simply stating how I feel about your account of what happened From the terms of the original contract, the job they were hired to handle was well within the parameters of their capabilities. Popping an offline tower should have been a cakewalk. What they got was a professional grade nightmare that they rather impressively decided to take on, and came within a hairsbreadth of pulling off. Had they succeeded, it would have been something of a legend. However, they ended up being routed, but because of leadership intelligence, survived largely intact and capable of continued operations. You seem overly impressed by the power of the blob, in spite of the fact that this 40 man outfit gave a pretty staggering blob the slip. Run back to your shadow, alt-troll. The mercs in this op on both sides did their job and did it well, outcome aside. Some of us in this game play high stakes beyond the POS shields every now and again.
James Peabody Gallente Freedom of Speach	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:50:00 - [49] Edited by: James Peabody on 27/11/2007 15:52:28 Vespya/Janu Hull Your not helping their rep with your overly positive post. Any Merc Corp worth its salt does not negotiate costs etc without first scouting the intended contract mark, so either TnT were lazy, or inept. Secondly, once scouted, if somehow it magically changes in that time (a period very short by Viqers initial post details) then a re-negotiation (if necessary) and a harder look at the situation should be assessed. An ISS pos in lowsec, is not easy killing, maybe yes if not online then a quick strike would do it, but once scouted and situation assesed, to put into re enforced, then attempt to finish "hoping the client wasn't watching" with a couple of dreads, some battleships and a token Nyx, is hardly a well thought out plan, in fact its a bad plan. It was a plan that went very wrong, and if it wasn't for luck, could of been much worse, MC were an hour late because the client gave out the wrong time for POS entering re enforced. Yes the story is well written, Yes it makes for good reading, but for someone that values Mercs in this game, I don't like to see such ineptitude applauded. TnT will no doubt learn from that mistake, but a stringent sticking to the basics would of avoided that potential disaster, I would of thought TnT would of learnt those lessons when in KIA Alliance, obviously KIA aren't great teachers.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.11.27 15:54:00 - [50] Here's your word(s) for the day: "Learning Curve" From the sounds of it, they haven't been mercs very long. From the impression of their actions, they'll likely be around long enough to figure it out.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:07:00 - [51] James, I fail to really get the point that you are clearly trying very hard to get across. We took on a job that we felt that we could do, even though the basis of the job changed. TNT has been a mercenary force of repute for the last 18 months in our chosen market place which predominantly was the small to medium sized contracts. We are quite used to engaging numbers drastically larger than our own and winning so size of the opponent isn't really a concern for us. Your argument is quite specious in that I honestly doubt that any company contracted to kill a large POS in empire would have taken sufficient forces to engage 8 Super-Caps and 21 Carriers. Using this logic you appear to be suggesting that no-one should take on a similar job unless they can field enough to kill "any" force that may come to defend it. I honestly doubt even TRI or KIA would have been able to do the job at hand on the same basis given the price that the client offered. I have every respect for those corps and in no way do i them a dis-service by saying that. I suppose whilst some people will say there is no difference in 1% hull or 100%, no point in trying with the slimmest hope of failure I prefer to think that there is some sense in trying. Did we kill the POS? No and we never ever inferered we did. Did we try to achieve beyond our ability though? No. The firepower arrayed against us during the last seconds of the job were well beyond what could reasonably have been expected. I think all we wanted to achieve here is to give everyone a brief idea of what we were up to and a fair account of what had happened. There were quite a few locals who wondered wtf had happened to their system with 50 odd ships blasting holes in each other. Look forward to seeing you again MC and thanks for the kind words MC, KIA, TERRA etc. much appreciated. Click here to visit our site
Tassi The Cruciform The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:11:00 - [52] You are probably looking at a quite decent moon if there are harvesters on it, promethium is good for your wallet The Cruciform recruitment
Ace Frehley Minmatar Fjortismaffian	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:12:00 - [53] Touchy, I have some stuff to fix in RL, then mr Nekkid while supply all the coolness people need. Yes free supply of nekkid-male hugs is included =) And kinda dissepointed that TNT wasent worth more then 8 moms
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:31:00 - [54] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 27/11/2007 16:33:25 Edited by: Viqer Fell on 27/11/2007 16:33:07 So now we're bashing KIA for not "teaching" TNT??? I guess I really should ask my starter agent for a refund too as I never learnt to fly my reaper very well either. Some people see the world through 20/20 hindsight and with a black and white perspective. No shades of grey but simply right and wrong and oddly enough they always "know" they are right and that they know more than anyone else. Never knowledgeable but always opinionated. Doesn't actually make you right I know motherships aren't that rare anymore but to describe a Nyx as " a token nyx " is to my mind a bit of a ludicrous comment. I sincerely wish we did have "token Nyx's" to chuck about. Perhaps you could chuck us a few of your throw-away mom's? Nope thought not. Click here to visit our site
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Ace Frehley Touchy, I have some stuff to fix in RL, then mr Nekkid while supply all the coolness people need. Yes free supply of nekkid-male hugs is included =) And kinda dissepointed that TNT wasent worth more then 8 moms Sorry about that; no insult intended. It was all I could rustle up in the 30mins between the contract being accepted and lighting the first cynos on a Monday which most of our pilots had taken off. Myn Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Leo Balthur Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.27 16:47:00 - [56] afaik there were 10 ms'es ISS-Fanboy
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:08:00 - [57] That's insane! Eve seems indeed to have its own life To answer the question how other merc corps can compete with such an force like MC? Well, they can! Those smaller merc corps surely don't have that high prices and more people can afford their 'service' while I would guess that only the really rich people can afford to hire MC, especially in an emergency case! I don't see why there isn't place for many merc corps in Eve.
Dol Amroth Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Gnulpie That's insane! Eve seems indeed to have its own life To answer the question how other merc corps can compete with such an force like MC? Well, they can! Those smaller merc corps surely don't have that high prices and more people can afford their 'service' while I would guess that only the really rich people can afford to hire MC, especially in an emergency case! I don't see why there isn't place for many merc corps in Eve. We're pretty flexible on pricing because to put an isk-value on what we can bring isn't really fathomable but instead its the absolute shock value. It was an enjoyable stroll for a Monday afternoon when nothing else was planned although we had been discussing what could be there sieging instead of the what was... Viqer and crew, well played regardless. I've come to the realization (and yes it took me some time,) that the more time spent here is the less time in game killing targets and marks. Allow your actions there to rivet the playerbase and not worry too much about the opinions of those not involved. They tend to disappear or have a misfortunate run in with karma. Kindest Regards.
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:54:00 - [59] Good write up
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.27 17:56:00 - [60] Sounds like both mercenary groups (TNT and MC) didn't quite get what they expected with this fight

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