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Nathaniel Hull Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:13:00 - [31] 808 Enterprises will be sending representatives.
Broken Rose Minmatar Victus Silenti	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:20:00 - [32] It is always good to remember those that have fallen in battle, whether they are your enemy or friend, for each has given the maximum sacrifice possible. To bicker about who is right and who is wrong is pointless and if defiles the memory of those who died. Agree to disagree gentlemen and enjoy the memorial. For soon you may end up on a plaque while mourners weep for their loss.
Myxx Gallente Daughters Of Venus	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:35:00 - [33] I too, even as a gallente pilot, will try to make it if I can. I can respect another peoples desire to fight. I work for both sides of this fence when requested, and so there is no bias for me, either. Just respect for the dead who never had a chance to stand for what they wanted. Never had freedom.
Galen Darksmith Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:39:00 - [34] Thuul, yer full o' sh. Look at any history book. Originally by:** http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/jul02.asp The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable û the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet. Soon, the Caldari population had been driven to the mountains and the forests; their resistance getting weaker by the day. Anarchs can talk all they like, I don' give a sh**. I'm goin' ta see my home, an' remember th' ones who died ta give us a new one.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:38:00 - [35] All guests are welcome, though we cannot force you to behave, it would be preferred. ----- results may vary
Steiner Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.29 11:35:00 - [36] I will be there to honour the dead. I might have to watch from a remote location now due to some "conflict" in Federation and Concord paperwork but I'll be there. ---
Kamalakshi Shandrasekkar Caldari House Shandrasekkar	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:40:00 - [37] Edited by: Kamalakshi Shandrasekkar on 29/11/2007 14:41:27 Originally by: Andre Ricard Yes, I myself had been wondering, are non-Caldari welcome to come to this event? The purpose of this gathering is to remember who we are and the sacrifices made by our ancestors, as well as to share a bottle of the finest hak'len with our closer friends as well as respectable competitors. It's about honour and duty, and what it means to be Caldari. Altho i'm not part of the organization of this event, i believe it's safe to rely on our civility; anyone able to understand the premises is welcome to join this event, and will be treated as an honorable guest. ((Edit: Typo.)) -
Lief Siddhe University of Caille	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:29:00 - [38] Edited by: Lief Siddhe on 29/11/2007 17:36:13 Edited by: Lief Siddhe on 29/11/2007 17:34:36 War is always a tragic thing, because more innocents die than those who truly deserve to. One should learn to differentiate between honoring the victims of war from reasons why the war started and whose fault it was. If possible, University of Caille representatives will be there to honor all the fallen and join the goodwill in such a war never happening again. An Intaki poet wrote a song about the victims of Nouvelle Rouvenor, but the poem is actually about all victims of war. THE TIDE Where are they now? They are gone. I saw them run, run to the sea. Under the waves all has been said. Their voices are free. Free from the sun's stare, free from the noise of lost souls. An exiled sound washed in with the tide. Their voices are free. Free from the sun's stare, free from the noise of lost souls. On the waves their voice carries on. --- Beneath all of our differences there's a single bond between every living Gallentean that makes us hard as diamond: a love of freedom.
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:14:00 - [39] Another year has passed and more i get the impression that we should grace the Caldari by pulverizing their new homeworld with our fleets. _____________________________________
Admiral Derooy Caldari The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.11.29 22:28:00 - [40] I will gladly attent this Celebration! __________________________________________________ In the fight for survival there are no bystanders. Those who don't fight with you, are the enemy who need to be crushed!
Nathaniel Hull Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Dionisius Another year has passed and more i get the impression that we should grace the Caldari by pulverizing their new homeworld with our fleets. You do realize you lost the war right. Again if you would like your wrecks to smash the stolen world below you may try but you will fail.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Nathaniel Hull You do realize you lost the war right. I do not like to squabble, as I've discouraged it in others, but I do feel obliged to point out (since Gallenteans are speaking historical inaccuracies in this thread as well) that the war ended in stalemate. The Gallente Federation had not retaken control of the Caldari State (their stated goal) nor had the Caldari State stormed Luminaire, ruined the Gallente Navy and retaken Caldari Prime (their stated goal). A treaty was signed when the Federation realised, wisely, that the Amarr Empire posed a greater threat to them - and quite probably to the Caldari as well. ----- I never sleep. I wait.
Jean Controleur Gallente Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu	Posted - 2007.11.30 04:10:00 - [43] I will try to attend, depending on my corporations permission. The events in those time are not known to me first hand, as I wasn't born. I doubt many of use were. However, as a warrior, I will respect the fallen, whatever my political leanings. Think about that. Let your politics drop for a bit and remember the dead NO LONGER CARE. So leave the drama and the politics behind, and instead, simply remember that many people died. how or why? History debates. But they are no longer with us. note: The views of Jean Controleur (me) do not represent the views of Why Tee Zed in any form or way, and anything Jean Controleur (me) says should not be interpretted to be official policy, views, id
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:21:00 - [44] Though I do not believe capsuleers can meddle constructively in the affairs of humanity, it would be foolishness to forget our origins and the role those origins play in forging our identities, however far we may drift from those beginnings. While I cannot speak for the rest of the Syndicate, I, at the very least, will attend. While the dead of Caldari Prime are not of the people among whom I was raised, it was only through their sacrifice that who and what I am became possible. For my father's people, the Civire, and for the Deteis, I will come to pay my respects.
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:18:00 - [45] In any case, for us Gallente and Caldari, that war has shaped who we are and what sort of world we think of. Regardless of how we may feel about the war as individuals, we should be willing to remember the event, and those who died. It is good to remember the past - it can help us to avoid repeating our mistakes.
Konsaki Dagna Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi In any case, for us Gallente and Caldari, that war has shaped who we are and what sort of world we think of. Regardless of how we may feel about the war as individuals, we should be willing to remember the event, and those who died. It is good to remember the past - it can help us to avoid repeating our mistakes. The problem is that most people dont really learn from the past... That's why we have the "Exterminator II" through "Exterminator XLVI" holoreels.
Jenea Gallente The Copernicus Institute	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:59:00 - [47] Down with the Gallente devil! Power to the Deteis; power to the Civire; power to the Achura. Onward to Caldari Prime and beyond!
Iyachtu Achlysiel Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:26:00 - [48] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Dignity? The tool of the lordlings in the CEP, resting comfortably on laurels purchased by the blood of the soldiery, the proletariat, and free-thinking intelligentsia of those long lost days, should not dare talk about turning the memorial into a propaganda platform. I hope you have something apart from your cynicism to back up that accusation. Of course, calling me "tool" doesn't exactly give a great impression of your insight into us. If you're referring to the way corporate executives have used the memory of Caldari Prime as a method of propaganda, then yes, you're partially correct. Partially because it's usually been for perfectly good ends. Not completely, as occasionally, perhaps more often as the decades have rolled by, to cynically cover greed, corruption and incompetence with a shroud of patriotic fervour. I have no words cruel enough to express my opinion of this, so I will not speak any. Originally by: Jonny Damordred Hrmm, and they call us unreasonable and militant. Perhaps I'm indeed being too harsh here. I'm sure that if I announced a ceremony to honor the Matari martyrs to liberty who perished in the great rebellion against slavemasters, no Minmatar would be unreasonable enough to protest it simply because of CAIN's well-known friendship to several Amarr paramilitaries. Why couldn't we posture as the friend and champion of Minmatar people...? Enjoy the memorial. I personally find that such farce isn't quite the correct way to honor the ultimate sacrifice of those who are, indeed, vastly greater than an immortal such as I can ever be.
Tatsue Nuko Stimulus	Posted - 2007.12.01 19:02:00 - [49] Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 01/12/2007 19:02:08 Originally by: Iyachtu Achlysiel I hope you have something apart from your cynicism to back up that accusation. Of course, calling me "tool" doesn't exactly give a great impression of your insight into us. I have a lot of experience being the tool of the CEP, as some veteran readers may recall (If not the Ishukone officers that we bled for). I know where you are, I know your purpose, and I know who it aids. And it isn't the Caldari People.
Ooyama Caldari Rastana CMP	Posted - 2007.12.02 11:30:00 - [50] Thank you for the possibility to attend a gathering of this sort. I will be there for sure, to honour the fallen and remember the what must never be allowed to happen again! Ooyama. Originally by: Bimjo you sir are quite right my humble apologies I shall park my navy raven in 0.0 for you to come and destroy with your ducktaped missile launcher on your shuttle
Fone Jacker	Posted - 2007.12.02 11:40:00 - [51] Oh Dear, well if you need a vicar for the event let me know. Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Another year has come and passed and it is time again to remember all of those who lost their lives in the bitter war around and on Caldari Prime. I will host this year's memorial as I have in the past over the former homeworld of the Caldari people on the 1st of January in the Luminaire system. The time the memorial will start will be announced when we all are closer to the actual event.
Iyachtu Achlysiel Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.12.02 15:37:00 - [52] Ms. Nuko, This really isn't about me or you at all, but if it pleases you, then I'll answer along the same vein. Let it be my wedding gift, or maybe my expression of consolences for your recent tragic loss. We should not clutter this discussion further with unrelated matters, however. Originally by: Tatsue Nuko I have a lot of experience being the tool of the CEP, as some veteran readers may recall (If not the Ishukone officers that we bled for). I know where you are, I know your purpose, and I know who it aids. And it isn't the Caldari People. I do realize that you would have far higher opinion of my patriotism if I cozied up to Gurista capsuleers instead of shooting at them. Now, of course the vast majority of Caldari citizens would not think very well of such move. Nor would they say that serving State, their society, is an act that does no good. I suppose that true patriot of the People should not concern himself with their opinions. The people are all brainwashed, anyway. Of my purpose, you know nothing.
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2007.12.03 14:09:00 - [53] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Another year has come and passed and it is time again to remember all of those who lost their lives in the bitter war around and on Caldari Prime. I will host this year's memorial as I have in the past over the former homeworld of the Caldari people on the 1st of January in the Luminaire system. The time the memorial will start will be announced when we all are closer to the actual event. Since family matter has drawn my attention elsewhere we have given our respect's within our humble family traditions. Our thoughts goes to those who sacrified themselves for the greater good free Caldari Citizens.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2007.12.04 01:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Iyachtu Achlysiel Why couldn't we posture as the friend and champion of Minmatar people... The fact of the matter is, the only people posturing at all is CAIN. APEX isn't, the Guristas and Associates aren't, and Stimulus doesn't posture at all. Playing politics with the memories of the dead is a good way to anger me, and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Jonny D. ----------
Admiral Derooy Caldari The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:22:00 - [55] Open up ya eyes Jonny rabbit winks In the fight for survival there are no bystanders. Those who don't fight with you, are the enemy who need to be crushed!
Sir Hades Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:46:00 - [56] This is not the time to be arguing over politics either past or present. This is an event to honor those who have sacrificed so much for ALL of the Caldari people. Every last Caldari, whether they be an outlaw or a servant of the state owes their existence to those brave souls. This is also a time to reflect on the past, a time to see the atrocities both sides committed during the war. This is a time to gather in hopes that the bloodshed that killed so many NEVER takes place again.
Kirren D'marr	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Sir Hades This is not the time to be arguing over politics either past or present. This is an event to honor those who have sacrificed so much for ALL of the Caldari people. Every last Caldari, whether they be an outlaw or a servant of the state owes their existence to those brave souls. This is also a time to reflect on the past, a time to see the atrocities both sides committed during the war. This is a time to gather in hopes that the bloodshed that killed so many NEVER takes place again. I agree, this is not the time for politics, it is a time for rememberance and respect. On that note, what bothers me is when armchair historians look back on wars past and cite the actions of the participants as "atrocities." The label gives the implication that the participants were cruel and criminal in their behavior and in their nature. Granted, there have been many incidents in the past that are very deserving of the term, but I do not believe it is the case with this event. Yes, there were horrible things done, and I don't think that anyone can truly understand the horrible nature of these acts any better than those who committed them. I'm sure they understood what they did, but they did it anyway because it was necessary to their very survival. They did not act out of hatred, nor bloodlust, but out of the basic instinct and need to protect the existence of their people. They did what they did because they had no other choice. I do not mean to be overly harsh, but I see contradiction in your words. You cannot praise the sacrifice of those brave souls to whom we owe our existence with one breath, and then condemn those same souls as callous murderers in the next. In this, there is no honor given, and no respect, only insult. I do not believe this was your intent, but it is in the true meaning of the words you chose to use. My intention is not to comment on the words of any one individual, but rather to warn all who speak of the "atrocities" of war to be aware and watch that they do not defame the memory of the individuals whose only wish was for the safety and welfare of their people. Terrible things happen in war. The only way to prevent this is to prevent war itself, for once war begins, it will be terrible. In war, good people do horrible things. Do not blame the good men and women who defend their homes and their families for the acts of war, such blame falls on the heads of the instigators.
Lief Siddhe University of Caille	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:13:00 - [58] Kill a man in war and they give you a medal. Kill a man during peace and you get sent to prison. War is always a huge sea of shades of gray, and what one man thinks is an act of heroism, another may think of a war crime. It is best to simply agree that victims of war deserve honor and respect from all sides involved. It is always tragic when people are killed in war, because they could have lived different and productive lives if war never took place. I personally believe that both the Gallente Federation and the Caldari State would be in much better state today if they managed a peaceful solution all those years ago, but it was a small number of people in influential places that eventually allowed for this tragedy to happen, and they probably used it for their personal gain at the expense of many people who died in the war. --- Beneath all of our differences there's a single bond between every living Gallentean that makes us hard as diamond: a love of freedom.
Iyachtu Achlysiel Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Jonny Damordred The fact of the matter is, the only people posturing at all is CAIN. APEX isn't, the Guristas and Associates aren't, and Stimulus doesn't posture at all. If you truly wish to debate this matter further, then please explain how being friends with the scourge of Caldari is consistent with holding a huge, widely publicized ceremony to the dead out of respect and love for the very same people. My simplistic drone-mind fails to grasp these intricacies of being a true patriot of the people, and Stimulus hurling vague, unfounded accusations left and right doesn't help. Alternatively, you might just want to stay quiet and let the dead rest in peace. Quote: Playing politics with the memories of the dead is a good way to anger me, and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. If you become even more irritatingly blustering when angry, then I agree I wouldn't like you very much.
Amaron Ghant Caldari Matsuko Industries	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:17:00 - [60] It's been a year already? Really? A whole year?? A whole year since I introduced you to your new clone in the shadow of the monument? Good grief. At least you shouldn't need a cloak this time. Not one to hold a grudge since i've moved on to more pastoral activities, I wish all planning and attending the best.

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