Right now one of the big advantages that an organized voting bloc like the Clusterfuck Coalition has over the rest of the game is that all of their votes go to specified candidates which will almost surely win positions whereas the rest of the game's population is left to blindly pick one of the other horses in the race and is left with no recourse or representation once that horse loses.

Something that would benefit the vast majority of the EVE playerbase would be proportional representation and selected transferable votes because in the present system a big chunk of the voting share is effectively "wasted" by people voting for this or that candidate, each one of a dozen or more who receive fewer than the minimum needed to gain a seat. With transferable votes there would be a lot more representation of the non-Goon interest on the CSM, because people could then delineate their votes to go to Candidate Y in the event that Candidate X is not elected, and so on. Right now one of the big advantages that an organized voting bloc like the Clusterfuck Coalition has over the rest of the game is that all of their votes go to specified candidates which will almost surely win positions whereas the rest of the game's population is left to blindly pick one of the other horses in the race and is left with no recourse or representation once that horse loses.

Hello, as a pubby, I Dryr Lint realize that not only do goons have the best interests of bears like me in mind, but they are also the most capable of executing plans to re balance eve because of their knowledge and expertise in being the kings and queens of eve. That's why I'll be voting for Lyris Nairn for CSM.

We need knowledgeable people on the csm, pulling the reigns in a direction that is important to everyone who plays the game.

The op of this thread isn't one of them.

Please take the csm elections seriously, and vote for individuals who understand what is going on with ship balancing and game mechanics. We don't need a babbling attentionwhore being voted to the csm as some kind of joke.

You don't do anything for our coalition, nor do you understand things like supercaps or sov warfare or even what the empire pubbies need to get through their dreary days.

Nothing about your post leads me to believe you know much either. And as the CSM is a position whose only power is influence and access, the one and *only* critical skillset is social skills. Knowledge is superfluous when you represent people who can feed you the information you need. And considering Lyris is essentially the face of Goonswarm on these forums, and you're some random bee no one knows, I don't quite think you're on the right track here. Is Lyris going to have the sort of influence and presence The Mittani weilds currently? Doubtful. Is he a better candidate than most? Absolutely. Trying to tear down an independent run for a seat is a pretty goddamn stupid idea if you ask me.

Knowledge of the game is very important, I'd say even before social skills unless you just wish to be someone's puppet.

But you need the social skills to get things done, so social skills are a close second to knowledge of the game.


As for being just a figure-head on the forums that's irrelevant unless you like potential puppets of course.

Trust me, an immensely charismatic individual with a crash-course on necessary information is an infinitely stronger force for change than a socially inept expert. One is better suited to lead, the other advise. And with a game like EVE, social skills and extensive, detailed game knowledge very rarely go hand in hand.

And considering Lyris is essentially the face of Goonswarm on these forums

Nothing about your post leads me to believe you know much either.

I no longer understand quite who or what Lyris represents, aside from himself.

Given he is running for CSM, some honest clarity (without too much babble) would be good.

My post wasn't directed at you, nor do I care what you think pubby. Lyris can be the face of goonswarm on these forums all he wants, because we hate these forums and he can have them. Most of us only come here to **** up the place when goonfleet.com is down.

So you're saying a person that has the gift of the gab and knows nothing of which they speak of, would make a good CSM.

They might make a good conduit to relay what someone else thinks but that's about it, they won't be able to contribute much other than being a figure-head.

Given the 'posting on behalf of Goonswarm' tone of many of his posts you would think that.

I never said he represented goonswarm. I said he was the face of goonswarm here. When a person totally unaware of nullsec politics thinks GS, they think The Mittani first, and then the high profile people who actually speak to the community second. People like Andski and Lyris. They could be the lowest of the lowly peons inside the alliance itself, but they are essentially acting diplomats out here.

I never said he represented goonswarm. I said he was the face of goonswarm here. When a person totally unaware of nullsec politics thinks GS, they think The Mittani first, and then the high profile people who actually speak to the community second. People like Andski and Lyris. They could be the lowest of the lowly peons inside the alliance itself, but they are essentially acting diplomats out here.

how many presidents and kings do you think were brilliant scientists, cunning strategists, etc? Few to none. You don't need to understand the intricacies of something to know its broken and needs fixing, and the CSM is not tasked with providing details. You sure as hell need to be able to motivate people to get up in arms about an issue or be able to express the problem in clear language, though. You want examples? Churchill, Kennedy, Lincoln...




A leader doesn't relay someone else's opinion. He either is given the rundown by experts and comes to a conclusion, or he represents his constituents and lets the opinion of the majority decide. The CSM is not a position CCP comes to in order to ask what numbers they should tweak. Its a group of people who provide high quality feedback and represent the playerbase. By far the most important skills would be confidence, clarity, and the ability to drink with devs and not make yourself look like some aspie having his first night out. That, and not being afraid to call an idea out on being pants-on-head ********.

When I think Goons I think Mittens, then Lyris.

This game does not need CSMs that have no idea how the game works at present, it needs experienced players that will recognise the pros and cons of ideas that are put to them. The CSMs need to be able to discuss things with CCP and know what they're talking about. They do need good social skills but nobody is arguing that. But knowledge of the game is very important and aids in discussing anything game related.

I accused him of basically being a Goon diplomat, but got a massive wall o' text denying this.

Lyris Nairn pays more than 13.90% tax.

Andski is actually worthy of csm candidacy and has a good understanding of the game. I know this because he's active and participates in the things we do. Lyris does not.

Casting a vote for someone because they're an eve-o superstar is moronic, and I expect nothing less from a test alliance pubbie with more forum "likes" than actual kills on his killboard.

Making a huge post on eve-o pointing out the methods in which we in Goonswarm cast our votes and use our numbers to an advantage to get our dudes getting elected is pretty crappy. Not that it's not obvious to everyone anyways, but you are here literally taking a stand against something that is good for our alliance, and advocating that it gets broken.

I'm not sure how you got into Goonwaffe, but I'm looking forward to the day you get commissar'd for being the huge pubby that you are.