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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:36:00 -
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TL:DR go **** yourself
IGÇÖve noticed that whenever anyone asks about additions for the solo player there is a wave of negative posts against them, such as "why donGÇÖt you play a solo game" "Why are you playing an MMO if you want to play a one player game"
I used to be a real team player and I ran a 40 man corp once and was a diplomat for most of that time but I had to give it all up and now I run as a solo player. I have to play solo these days as I cannot commit unbroken stretches of time as i have to much commitment out of game. This is applicable to every solo player I know.
Examples of general time sinks out of game
1. If I want a shave and a shower and to relax after work that takes an hour or so. 2. If my women wants me to spend some time with her = unknown time factor 3. I like to eat a real dinner as I cannot survive on Pizza rolls 4. If my woman goes to bed before me I have to tuck her in which takes 20 minutes. 5. I have to be in bed by 11.30 as otherwise I cannot get up for work in the morning 6. At the weekends I like to tidy up my apartment and vacuum, and clean and iron my clothes as well as socialise with other people.
The things above probably have no meaning to you if you cannot see why people play this game solo.
Best reasons to play solo
Some one once said that solo players GÇ£live between the cracks in this gameGÇ¥. Let me tell you that itGÇÖs the only way to play this game and really enjoy it.
You can build, mission or mine in highsec but it soon gets boring. Most solo players spent a lot of time in lowsec making there isk and pvping there. Always outmanned and outgunned. Sometimes the hunter mostly hunted. Hiding away to make ninja strikes.
Far better than a null bear or a bored alliance pvper who is hot dropping a single player with 50 others and considering themselves a leet pvper.
Try living in Neckbeard/Goon space. Those guys are so bored they will deploy the entire fleet to find you. Or try making a living in Russian space you will get to see plenty of carriers on the screen.
Lastly, the best pvpers in this game are solo players and this is well known. They choose a ship and max it out. They spend lots of time on sisi working out exactly what the ship can do and the best set ups and then they set traps or roam knowing that they can use the ship to its maximum capacity.
Only suggestion = we need an exploration ship so we can Han Solo it a big more. Im stuck in a maxed out pilgrim or Tengu at the moment
Your bearded comments please. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
238
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:38:00 -
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Well your post is solo, so I dont care for you good sir.
They just want to suck off your energy when you play with them, or feel like their corp is stronger when you join it. You being solo ruins that for them. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8497
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:41:00 -
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The great thing about a sandbox is that you can do whatever you want, and you can completely disregard the impassioned rants of whomever does not likes your way of playing. If you like doing things solo, then go for it and don't let people talking smack about you interfere with your enjoyment of the game. I personally get a lot of comfort and pleasure from communal efforts in MMOs, and I also personally have a preference for chocolate over vanilla flavouring; however, I certainly have no reason to besmirch or discriminate against those who prefer solo endeavours or vanilla flavouring. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
322
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:43:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:The great thing about a sandbox is that you can do whatever you want, and you can completely disregard the impassioned rants of whomever does not likes your way of playing. If you like doing things solo, then go for it and don't let people talking smack about you interfere with your enjoyment of the game. I personally get a lot of comfort and pleasure from communal efforts in MMOs, and I also personally have a preference for chocolate over vanilla flavouring; however, I certainly have no reason to besmirch or discriminate against those who prefer solo endeavours or vanilla flavouring.
I prefer vanilla. i try chocolate every now and again but it normally ends in disaster.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Degren
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:44:00 -
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From the other thread that is still on the first page, I think the general consensus was either "Its a multiplayer game" or "there is nothing that will benefit solo players that won't also benefit groups"
For the most part, it seems anything that can be done by a group now can be done solo, with the exception of holding space.
While I'm not sure where the aggression is coming from (other than the fact that this question comes up quite often with a simple search), I can at least understand the argument that if you want to succeed in a multiplayer game, you should do multiplayer things.
TL;DR Don't know where the anger is coming from on either side. It seems like there are myriad things to just "pass time solo" as is that both solo and groups have access to. Could never hurt to have more interesting content, though. |

Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
23
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:45:00 -
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Agreed, OP.
I rarely post on here, but I did appreciate this and thought I'd drop a line before the onslaught of the neckbeard armada of sociopaths who live off of carebears and solo player's frustration.
I don't foresee a way to implement a ship that's good for the solo pilot, but bad for the masses.
We've already got the Ishkur and other heavy assault ships, T3 cruisers, etc. There are decent solo ships out there.
Honestly I'd just like to see more attention given to high security space instead of 0.0.
If CCP began to shift it's focus from modifying PvP space, and spent more time improving the opportunities in High Sec PvE space, we might see move PVP to begin with because solo players would be able to afford it. |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
322
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:46:00 -
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Degren wrote:From the other thread that is still on the first page, I think the general consensus was either "Its a multiplayer game" or "there is nothing that will benefit solo players that won't also benefit groups"
For the most part, it seems anything that can be done by a group now can be done solo, with the exception of holding space.
While I'm not sure where the aggression is coming from (other than the fact that this question comes up quite often with a simple search), I can at least understand the argument that if you want to succeed in a multiplayer game, you should do multiplayer things.
TL;DR Don't know where the anger is coming from on either side. It seems like there are myriad things to just "pass time solo" as is that both solo and groups have access to. Could never hurt to have more interesting content, though.
very true sir I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:51:00 -
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I think the Op is placing a little too much relevance on other people's opinions and perhaps could endanger marginalising himself with personal generalist views.
EvE can and does accomodate all styles of play as a sandbox.
You don't have to follow the Robot inclined types who prescribe how you should play EvE.
Nice to see you have relevant experience of both group play and solo to adjudge your preference though. |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
322
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:54:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:I think the Op is placing a little too much relevance on other people's opinions and perhaps could endanger marginalising himself with personal generalist views.
EvE can and does accomodate all styles of play as a sandbox.
You don't have to follow the Robot inclined types who prescribe how you should play EvE.
Nice to see you have relevant experience of both group play and solo to adjudge your preference though.
I was really in the thick of it and ended up severely burned out. stopped playing for 5 months.
Solo play is best play unless you are just in a social club corp who use corp chat to shoot the **** I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
358
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:56:00 -
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I don't think much hate is directed at solo players. Trolling, maybe, but not hate.
What people tend to hate is solo players who think they're entitled to the same rewards and benefits that 10 man fleets and 100 man corporations and 1000 man alliances get, without having to do any extra work. |

Dowla Daupor
4
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:56:00 -
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Life is an oyster OP and you can either have croquettes or fritters, they're both basically the same, both cooked in fat, enjoy. |

Spumantii
Golden Orb Technology inc Narwhals Ate My Duck
8
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:57:00 -
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+1 Someone buy this man a drink
Flying solo (successfully) requires MUCH more man effort than anything a 100 man fleet does. You can't argue with simple division of labor Abdiel, blobs have it simple.
Man hours != man effort |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
358
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:59:00 -
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Spumantii wrote:Flying solo requires MUCH more work than anything a 100 man fleet does.
Define "work". If I define it in terms of manhours, your assumption is false. |

Spumantii
Golden Orb Technology inc Narwhals Ate My Duck
8
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:03:00 -
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edited for clarity. Take for example: Solo player goes out to investigate a new region. Immediately he becomes the scout, the dps, the fc all in one.
100 man fleet rallies in some sov system and hours can pass while people sit around afk or out of game doing something else until a single brain starts to give them orders.
Man effort as in, how much do you have to do as an individual to succeed..
Man effort as in, in 100 man fleets all you have to do is follow simple instructions you don't even have to think..
effort amount per hour is higher for solo players than for fleet blobs so man hours are misleading and irrelevant metrics for comparison |

Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:05:00 -
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Generally I like to run with some bigger fleets in Nullsec, but they get boring. Shooting structures and waiting for that epic fight is exhausting sometimes and I do find myself burning out.
I keep an account for solo pvp in lowsec, I play that character when I feel frustrated or bored. I can definately sympathize with your point of view and I agree. Also some of the nicest and deadliest people I have had the pleasure of fighting with and against have been lowsec soloists/small gangers. |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
322
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:06:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Spumantii wrote:Flying solo requires MUCH more work than anything a 100 man fleet does. Define "work". If I define it in terms of manhours, your assumption is false.
Align to this.Align to that. wait here. primary target. seconday target. tertiary target. repeat repeat. stand down. warp to sun. shoot target.
who is on grid. what ships are they. can i kill this player/Plex before they arrive. can i set a trap. how many people are on that gate. Are there probes out for me yet. how can i get into the next system. etc etc I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Spumantii
Golden Orb Technology inc Narwhals Ate My Duck
8
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:10:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Spumantii wrote:Flying solo requires MUCH more work than anything a 100 man fleet does. Define "work". If I define it in terms of manhours, your assumption is false. Align to this.Align to that. wait here. primary target. seconday target. tertiary target. repeat repeat. stand down. warp to sun. shoot target. who is on grid. what ships are they. can i kill this player/Plex before they arrive. can i set a trap. how many people are on that gate. Are there probes out for me yet. how can i get into the next system. etc etc
second sentence ia an example of risk assessment pursued by FCs and solo players. This means basically the amount of assessment and work is equal for a solo player as an FC in some cases. Do you work as hard as your FC in 100 man fleets? |

Umega
Solis Mensa
84
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:17:00 -
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I don't get it.. Han had one ship, you claim two quality solo boats.. you > Han with avialable ships.
Are you like.. asking for another super ship that bbqs more than one with ease.. and can't be probed while it station spins outside of a station shooting out disorientating multi-color'd lights when ever you get rl distractions?
I have to agree with what someone else said above. I don't care if ppl solo.. knock yourselves out. I personally get annoyed when they start begging for more simply cause they choose to be solo and for some reason feel they are entitled to the efforts of more than one.
And if you are/were with leaders that ask more than you are willing to provide.. pushing you to subtract from rl life and add that time to a video game, simply tell'em to go **** themself and drop enough dirt to make the corp/alliance implode on itself. That kind of leadership will fail ultimately anyway. |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
322
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Posted - 2012.02.01 04:24:00 -
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Umega wrote:I don't get it.. Han had one ship, you claim two quality solo boats.. you > Han with avialable ships.
Are you like.. asking for another super ship that bbqs more than one with ease.. and can't be probed while it station spins outside of a station shooting out disorientating multi-color'd lights when ever you get rl distractions?
I have to agree with what someone else said above. I don't care if ppl solo.. knock yourselves out. I personally get annoyed when they start begging for more simply cause they choose to be solo and for some reason feel they are entitled to the efforts of more than one.
And if you are/were with leaders that ask more than you are willing to provide.. pushing you to subtract from rl life and add that time to a video game, simply tell'em to go **** themself and drop enough dirt to make the corp/alliance implode on itself. That kind of leadership will fail ultimately anyway.
Stop assuming fella. i dont want a super ship all i wanted was a nomadic ship. Its been asked for a lot in this game. You are forced to have a base and some people dont want that. The closest thing we have to it is the Pilgrim and thats lowsec based. The Tengu runs out of missiles pretty quick in nullsec
A proteus that can actually field 5 heavies would be a good ship as a suggestion of the top of my head. nothing to fancy. just a ship in which you can roam the heavens I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1344
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Posted - 2012.02.01 05:14:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:I don't think much hate is directed at solo players. Trolling, maybe, but not hate.
What people tend to hate is solo players who think they're entitled to the same rewards and benefits that 10 man fleets and 100 man corporations and 1000 man alliances get, without having to do any extra work.
This.
I have a *LOT* of respect for those Solo pilot who understand that their aims must be limited by their limited means, but push the limits of those aims. Whether they succeed or fail, the've tried harder than most people are willing to.
Unfortunately/Fortunately, I am not in a position where I can put nearly that amount of effort into playing and mastering the game. So I work with a group to spread the load of mastery.
Like I said. Solo freaks are awesome. They tend to either be totally silent or really friendly after a fight/whatever, and I don't think I've ever met one who's a straight up jerk. (I'm talking about the exclusive solo roam guys, not solo-pve types). Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |

NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.02.01 07:18:00 -
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I don't think it's negative feedback for solo players. Its more about reward for teamwork than solowork.
Speaking from personal experience, this game does suck solo. But I understand the time constraints. I am in the same boat as you. Don't get hung up on the forums. It's really just a big mind frak. Players have figured out that CCP spends alot of time here gathering data. That's why you will notice alot of "whine" posts. These are really clever attempts at lobbying CCP into changing something about the game. Mostly about ships and fittings but sometimes you will get a faked story about how they got solo'd by a single ship and how bad ass they are and need to be nerfed. You can smell the BS in the title but it plants the seed. And thats how nerf bats get formed in many cases.
Just enjoy whatever free time you have in game and play your way. Nobody really cares in the end but you.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 07:21:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Try living in Neckbeard/Goon space. Those guys are so bored they will deploy the entire fleet to find you. Or try making a living in Russian space you will get to see plenty of carriers on the screen. I don't know about the Russians, but the people who camp our gates ERRYDAY probably noticed we don't seem to give much of a damn for their 20-man camp.
At least camping a lowsec entrance gate gets some killmails, not just docked people trying to chat to you or posting great things in local ("I hear you like POS shoots from your propaganda video")
EDIT: Well if you happen to tackle someone in a belt, then yeah, there might be some repercussions. Or if a roam is forming up and you're nearby, similar. A killmail here or there is a great way to start off a roam.
Karn Dulake wrote:Lastly, the best pvpers in this game are solo players and this is well known. They choose a ship and max it out. They spend lots of time on sisi working out exactly what the ship can do and the best set ups and then they set traps or roam knowing that they can use the ship to its maximum capacity. We are not ~elite pvp~, we just follow orders, so I suppose this is true. I did hear stories a few times about this mega alliance of super elite pvpers though. And a massive struggle that continues to this day in various forms.
Though Machariels are reimbursable now... albeit with a crazy long list of reqs, but hey there you have it. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1180
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:11:00 -
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I would not say that the playerbase at large hates solo players.
It's just those who have sacrificed their fun in this game for slave-lifestyle choices in pursuit of PVP or ISK.
Like someone who has a rotten life or is too fat who hates happy or fit people, for example.
Very often solo play is associated with exploration, which is the one profession that everybody in the game does, from ganker to carebear, and likes. Running level 4's solo might garner some criticism, but it's equally accepted as a means to get a dozen mil ISK or two in an evening to raise funds.
I think that the most vocal "solo haters" are those who really wish they had more freedom, but having invested time and ego into being in a corporation or 0.0 rentership, will, like parents who get stuck on child worship (for fear their kids won't feel loved or something), look down on those who don't have kids or don't pester to government the further idiotproof the world "for the children".
CCP hates solo players, but in so doing they only make solo playing more challenging and fun.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
558
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:29:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:TL:DR go **** yourself
Beacause people want you to be in there blobs, for them there is no PvP it's BvB or BvP or BvSG(small gang)...
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
67
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Posted - 2012.02.01 08:29:00 -
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Yeah the biggest haters of solo players seems to be CCP, probably because they rely a lot on the social side of their game to retain players.
Every MMO forum has the special people that think because it's an MMO only grouped play is valid, but following their own rational it's "massively multiplayer", not simply multiplayer, therefore only valid way of playing is in a massive group of hundreds of players. Yeah, well that's my best attempt at arguing with stupid.. probably best to just ignore them. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
1326
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Posted - 2012.02.01 09:35:00 -
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TL;DR: Bullshit. CCP doesn't hate solo players, it only hates whining morons !
I'm a solo player, but there actually is nothing like a solo player in EvE.
I buy stuff from other people, i talk to other people, i sell stuff to other people, i invade missions of other people, i take stuff from other people, i destroy ships/pods of other people.
I just do it ... solo ... but that's the only solo thing about it.
People who really play "solo" and don't talk to anybody, don't want to interact with anybody, (but buy stuff from others), and WHINE if others are trying to play with them by whatever means, these are actually sad people ... because it's an MMO. It's not meant to be played ISOLATED ! (which is not the same as solo!)
The whining about solo players really gets on my nerve... ... and that's from a solo player.
There's nothing wrong with the game for people like me, it's just that people believe there is "no" content for them, although that's only their fault, because content is made by everybody, even the solo player !
RubyPorto wrote:Solo freaks are awesome. They tend to either be totally silent or really friendly after a fight/whatever, and I don't think I've ever met one who's a straight up jerk. (I'm talking about the exclusive solo roam guys, not solo-pve types). Right on the spot ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
324
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Posted - 2012.02.01 10:26:00 -
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My sentiment exactly. Kiss my pixels. Solo is fun. Although, I'm not always solo... BUT STILL.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1386
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Posted - 2012.02.01 10:39:00 -
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I'm pleased that RubyPorto posted some sense since the OP doesn't really seem to know what he is talking about.
How is it you claim people solo because of time restraints then also claim we spend hours on sisi in testing?
People solo for many reasons that gave nothing to do with time management issues. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
58
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:41:00 -
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I am a Solo player....
And I can see where a lot of the hate comes from. I can show you right now....
This thread for example.
Atticus Fynch wrote:EVE is not geared towards solo play. I would like to see more support for the solo player.
ie. purchase concord escort service for example.
For the solo and one man corps players out there, what kind of features would you like implemented?
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
122
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Posted - 2012.02.01 13:42:00 -
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There do exist corps for the sparadic time zone player, who plays when her/she can for as long as she/he can till RL calls :)
This IS a mmorpg and IS aimed at getting players togther to achieve things they would have barly any hope of doing solo, its kinda natural to have "hate" for real soloists.
Eve is a game about the players as much as it is about goals and pastimes, look a bit harder and you'll find you can be a part of somthing bigger while having your play time as random or as short as you like.
Besides eves A LOT more fun when theres like minded fellows to explore it with.
Soloers arnt hated, they are laughed at - tbh. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1180
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:44:00 -
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Though to be honest while wearing my lone-wolf status on my sleeve, I did join up in, and have loads of fun with, the fleets for taking down the incursion motherships. I did it for that cause of improving and fixing incursions.
If group play could be construed as "selling out" to the MMO concept, perhaps everybody has a price. Something will get people to group up. I think live events are the best example if that, and I have seen people who would call themselves highsec-hugging carebears in lowsec live event fleets.
Hopefully CCP takes notes if they have some agenda to "force" group play of sorts. Epic game content will do that, and if made to answer for that later, we could say we were well played and better off for it.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:52:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Beacause people want you to be in there blobs, for them there is no PvP it's BvB or BvP or BvSG(small gang)... 250Pv250P combat, yeah. Confirmed training to get blown up as primary about 5s into the fight. If you do see me, I should be in a convenient location in the target list for you to select and target my ship. Please deliver explosions directly to shield.
P.S. If you can wait for a logi to start shield transfers that would be great. Don't worry if you're being time dilated like crazy, because that's CCP loving us and making it easier for both of us.
There's also BvPOS, and even TvS (titan vs structure). I admit I do not have a supercap, but I will do my best to shoot pos for you. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3042
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:32:00 -
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Dear Sir and/or Ma'am
I have been playing solo ever since I retried from GW1 (well GW1.5 imo) and the amount of hate I feel aimed at me is more of the question if I am a furball or if I really use crayons. Never for being a solo player.
At least being a solo player I get to learn all sorts of mistakes myself instead of watching others perform it for me.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
16
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:38:00 -
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Maybe it's because people see it like joining a football team and then spending all your time playing "keepy uppys" on the side line.
That an X3 is an awesome game where you can do so much more as a solo person than you can in eve.
but, egh, each to their own
I might log in alot but I have a similar life style to you and yet I'm still in a corp, still chat to people and still maintan a lifestyle. |
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