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Cheng Kung Amarr Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:38:00 - [1] I love the Eos in its current form but was shocked when logged on to the testserver. The EOS has lost two(!) turret slots AND has a drone bandwith of 75 in trinity (which limits it to the use of 5 medium or 3 heavy's). I think this nerf is way to harsh. 5 Turrest and 5 medium drones.. This makes it just a little more effective in terms of damage output then a t1 cruiser (and far less effective then an Isthar for example). I agree that the Eos was perhaps a bit overpowered but this will make this ship very unpopular and, expect for a few very specific roles, totally useless. I for one will not be using the Eos anymore. Waist of skills.. A nerf, ok, but don't kill this ship. Please CCP?
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:40:00 - [2] Holy crap! REALLY?
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:40:00 - [3] We know.
Kalidann Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:41:00 - [4] maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it.
Arcord	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Arcord on 28/11/2007 19:44:24 Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. the same lame answer guys like you KEEP saying every single damn time...
Naviset	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. It has the worst racial bonus although it might be SLIGHTLY more desired after the SB nerf. Usually people prefer claymores and damnations.
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:03:00 - [7] welcome to last month Originally by: Illyria Ambri No matter how you want to say it.. it always sounds like frog clearing throat "Ve zurrendur, dunt schuut"
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:04:00 - [8] Yeah, now is a tad bit late to whine about it. It's hardly a surprise. You'll get over it, or you'll leave. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Arcord Edited by: Arcord on 28/11/2007 19:44:24 Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. the same lame answer guys like you KEEP saying every single damn time... Because... I dont know, ITS TRUE?!
Cheng Kung Amarr Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. They could have boosted the others a bit instead..

Yoko Lee	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:21:00 - [11] Why boost other fleet cs? u're one cs for dps, the second is more for bonus (warfare link) and tank. i would like my damnation like the actual EOS but it was a bad idea.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. Why should anyone bother? Any of the others is better. -- Gradient forum
Cheng Kung Amarr Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Yeah, now is a tad bit late to whine about it. It's hardly a surprise. You'll get over it, or you'll leave. Originally by: Xonkra welcome to last month Well, it's a suprise for me, I'm not camping this forum 24h a day. And I'll adapt. I am just a bit disappointed.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Cheng Kung Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Yeah, now is a tad bit late to whine about it. It's hardly a surprise. You'll get over it, or you'll leave. Originally by: Xonkra welcome to last month Well, it's a suprise for me, I'm not camping this forum 24h a day. And I'll adapt. I am just a bit disappointed. If you thought it was never going to get nerfed then you are simply a fool. Admit it, you are just having a cry your solopwnmobile is being nerfed but deep down you know you deserve it.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:31:00 - [15] Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 28/11/2007 20:31:49 there are 2 types of command ships. fleet or dps, and field or gang mods. guess which the eos is SUPPOSED to be? Guess which it finally is in trinity? Now, you can argue that the Eos is the WORST field command ship. And you would probably be right, its the worst now, and even with the med slot moved to a low slot for better tank, it will likely still be the worst in trinity. But some ship has to be the worst in class. Its very rare that the worst in class ship is gallente. at the very least, the Eos will no longer be a better fleet command ship then the astarte is. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Cheng Kung Amarr Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Cheng Kung Originally by: Kenneth McCoy Yeah, now is a tad bit late to whine about it. It's hardly a surprise. You'll get over it, or you'll leave. Originally by: Xonkra welcome to last month Well, it's a suprise for me, I'm not camping this forum 24h a day. And I'll adapt. I am just a bit disappointed. If you thought it was never going to get nerfed then you are simply a fool. Admit it, you are just having a cry your solopwnmobile is being nerfed but deep down you know you deserve it. Originally by: Cheng Kung I agree that the Eos was perhaps a bit overpowered A nerf, ok, but don't kill this ship. Please CCP? Try reading before hitting the reply button
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:39:00 - [17] They're bringing it back in line with the other fleet command ships. It's bonuses may need slight tweakage, but it's much closer to the other fleet command ships than before.
Cheng Kung Amarr Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Ulstan They're bringing it back in line with the other fleet command ships. It's bonuses may need slight tweakage, but it's much closer to the other fleet command ships than before. I know. The thing is, I have never been hit by a nerf before and it just.. hurts.. At least it looks great in trinity WTB Astarte!
Akat Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Tao Han Originally by: Arcord Edited by: Arcord on 28/11/2007 19:44:24 Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. the same lame answer guys like you KEEP saying every single damn time... Because... I dont know, ITS TRUE?! Indeed. Tbh, I found very little reason to pick an astarte over the EOS to fill the damage dealer role. It can tank like a champ and just about as damaging as a gank BS. It was essentially jesus on steroids. Some time ago, I was able destroy a farmer-style, omi-tanked, faction torpedo spamming raven AND his identically fitted raven friend without breaking a sweat. Granted, I was using exile and the first raven was at about 30% shield before his friend came, but I can't say I've seen any other fleet command ship do anything near that. The EOS was vastly overpowered for its intended role, but it was certainly fun when it lasted.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Ulstan They're bringing it back in line with the other fleet command ships. It's bonuses may need slight tweakage, but it's much closer to the other fleet command ships than before. Yup. OP's never seen the pitiful dps of the claymore. I was hoping for a 7 turret claymore more powerful than my sleipnir and with 5 heavy drones, but that proposal made people's bums itch. It's balanced. To the OP, please don't start a "OMFG, Myrm Dead" thread -it's balanced out too. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t

Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.28 21:05:00 - [21] The Eos Got Balanced.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2007.11.28 21:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Naviset Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. It has the worst racial bonus although it might be SLIGHTLY more desired after the SB nerf. Usually people prefer claymores and damnations. Worst racial bonus, worst tank even with a mid turned into a low (and of course the capacitor issues engendered by that), firepower equivalent to slightly more than that of a Brutix ... Why exactly the hell would I waste the hangar space on an Eos Mk. II for command role when I can use most of my preexisting cap and tank skills, train one more month-from-lvl-0 skill, and fly the Damnation with one of the best armor tanks in the game and a ganglink bonus that's useful to boot? Heck, experiments have shown that the commandship ganglink bonus doesn't have much effect on the overall effectiveness. Which means that other command ships can run the EWAR links that provide the Eos' only upside almost as well. Yep, I'll just keep my Astarte for combat and crosstrain Damnation for the fleet. If the damage output is as unimportant as it seems from the forums, then the fact that I don't have t2 missile skills should be unimportant next to the 7-slot-plus-resists tank and extra cap and armor bonus. The Eos is dead, long live the Eos.
Gavin Neltharek Caldari Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.11.28 21:14:00 - [23] You mean to tell me that a FLEET COMMAND ship is no longer a solo pwnmobile of death? Wow who couldn't see that one coming. Welcome to last month, now start using an Astarte and get over it. <----------------------------------> Carebears aren't people, they're giant flying piniatas.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.11.28 22:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Cheng Kung I love the Eos in its current form but was shocked when logged on to the testserver. The EOS has lost two(!) turret slots AND has a drone bandwith of 75 in trinity (which limits it to the use of 5 medium or 3 heavy's). I think this nerf is way to harsh. 5 Turrest and 5 medium drones.. This makes it just a little more effective in terms of damage output then a t1 cruiser (and far less effective then an Isthar for example). I agree that the Eos was perhaps a bit overpowered but this will make this ship very unpopular and, expect for a few very specific roles, totally useless. I for one will not be using the Eos anymore. Waist of skills.. A nerf, ok, but don't kill this ship. Please CCP? eos isnt nerfed... it still freaking pwns... i have tested it for a week now and have found a good setup... 5x ions, nos, neut mwd, scram, web, inj 2x rep, ean, dcu, explosive hardener, mag stab 2x rep rigs 2x heavu, 2x med, 1x light out still VERY good dmg :)
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.28 22:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Naviset Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. It has the worst racial bonus although it might be SLIGHTLY more desired after the SB nerf. Usually people prefer claymores and damnations. Given that ECM is going to become the favorite form of EW, trust me, you're going to want more sensor strenght, and the EW efficiency bonus is nothing to sneeze at. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Alowishus Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.28 22:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Cheng Kung I love the Eos in its current form but was shocked when logged on to the testserver. The EOS has lost two(!) turret slots AND has a drone bandwith of 75 in trinity (which limits it to the use of 5 medium or 3 heavy's). I think this nerf is way to harsh. 5 Turrest and 5 medium drones.. This makes it just a little more effective in terms of damage output then a t1 cruiser (and far less effective then an Isthar for example). I agree that the Eos was perhaps a bit overpowered but this will make this ship very unpopular and, expect for a few very specific roles, totally useless. I for one will not be using the Eos anymore. Waist of skills.. A nerf, ok, but don't kill this ship. Please CCP? eos isnt nerfed... it still freaking pwns... i have tested it for a week now and have found a good setup... 5x ions, nos, neut mwd, scram, web, inj 2x rep, ean, dcu, explosive hardener, mag stab 2x rep rigs 2x heavu, 2x med, 1x light out still VERY good dmg :) This is a good example of the phrase, "adapt, overcome." Of course that type of thing requires much more effort than simply claiming the sky is falling, repackaging the ships, putting them on market and entering the fetal position until told what the new flavor of the month is. But hey, this is the Eve-O Forums, where most of the "PvPers" are just plain bad at it and yet think they "pwn" because they read t3h stickies.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.28 23:11:00 - [27] Edited by: Rastigan on 28/11/2007 23:12:32 Originally by: Shadowsword Given that ECM is going to become the favorite form of EW, trust me, you're going to want more sensor strenght, and the EW efficiency bonus is nothing to sneeze at. Im think the +Ewar boost gang mod has a stacking penalty with signal distortion amplifiers.. Some one please chime in if im wrong. I liked the EOS because it had a large unbonused drone bay so you could fly 5 heavy utility drones, I guess CCP wants people to fly it like a Thorax with gangmodules.. EOS nerfs: 7 turrets -> 5 turrets 50 drone bay +50m3 per lvl of CS -> now 150 drone bay +15m3 per lvl of CS (thats a big **** you to everyone that got Command Ship 5 for the Eos. 125m3 drone control -> 75m3 drone control.. Eos buffs: You just need the Battle cruiser skill and roughly 33million ISK to fly an EOS now, its called the Myrmidon..
No Wai	Posted - 2007.11.28 23:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Cheng Kung I love the Eos in its current form but was shocked when logged on to the testserver. The EOS has lost two(!) turret slots AND has a drone bandwith of 75 in trinity (which limits it to the use of 5 medium or 3 heavy's). I think this nerf is way to harsh. 5 Turrest and 5 medium drones.. This makes it just a little more effective in terms of damage output then a t1 cruiser (and far less effective then an Isthar for example). I agree that the Eos was perhaps a bit overpowered but this will make this ship very unpopular and, expect for a few very specific roles, totally useless. I for one will not be using the Eos anymore. Waist of skills.. A nerf, ok, but don't kill this ship. Please CCP? If you can't make due with 5 blaster and 5 med drones on a command ship that is suppose to be tank and bonus centered, then the problem is you, not the fix. Let's be honest, the current incarnation is a monster, and 5 heavy drones would still be unacceptable levels of DPS for a Fleet command.
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.28 23:30:00 - [29] Go take a look at the vulture and claymore before you complain... Hell at least the eos should be going down in price lols Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.11.28 23:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Arcord Edited by: Arcord on 28/11/2007 19:44:24 Originally by: Kalidann maybe it's more comparable to other fleet command ships now. You know, you can fit gang mods on it. the same lame answer guys like you KEEP saying every single damn time... And we're going to keep saying it so long as it remains true every time the Eos pilots make these threads and question the validity of the nerf.



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