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Lil Mule
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Posted - 2007.11.28 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lil Mule on 28/11/2007 22:19:55
While Im sure there are lots of posts already on the many many pages on this forum I thought I would put the following question out there to the seasoned players, before I cancel all of my accounts, just to make sure I have all of the facts.
Yes Im a Raven pilot, its my source of income because, primarily Im a 0.0 PVP pilot. I just tested my Raven on Singularity - and it has an effective range of 9 KM's. Granted, I have no time invested into Missile Bombardment, or Missile Projection, as my focus was not in missiles, but rather into turrets for PVP purposes. However, if I do the math (and yes its no my best subject), with full Missile bombardment skills, and Missile Project skills, and 2 rigs, I can get my range to 26 km's(I think).
My first question is: Is this correct/accurate?
My second queation is: What is the max range? What else can I get to increase range?
Its highly unlikely Im going to invest much time getting my skills to lvl 5 for torpedo's as I have to attempt to keep up with the 0.0 Nanno craze, and of course find some way to make my pvp skills viable post Trinity. Torpedo's to my character are for funding my pvp characters only. Furthermore, because of the nerfs to Sniping turret BS's - my Long range sniper BS is no longer an option (even to run PVE). From my point of view, because CCP has decided to heavily nerf all of my ships (1 PVE BS setup, 1 sniing PVP BS set and my force recon) Ive pretty much had enough, unless Im just missing something on a Raven setup that would allow me to hit around 40KM's and at least keep my source of income flowing.
So my question is - do I have it correct that it would take me almost 20 days approximately to get my torpedo's to 26 km's? I can live with 40 km's (as is my current range, and since its for pve thats just fine with me).
Thanks for the help
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N1fty
Amarr
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.28 22:14:00 -
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Cruise Missiles for long range, torps for short range?
Surely not :)
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CaperPuts
Minmatar
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 22:35:00 -
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Just use Cruise Missiles, they've always been better IMO. Torps are like blasters now, they have a lot higher RoF and do a lot more damage because of it.
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.11.28 22:35:00 -
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torps are now close range omgwtf dmg missiles (no.. really.. not jokeing... same as blasters)
if this stays ill be thanking CCP for the rest of my eve career :D
snipers arent nerfed... fit optimal scripts in tracking computers and tracking range scripts in sensorboosters.... at those ranges tracking is irrelavant really ... but yeah.. u will be locking slower.
26km is quite accurate whit max skills on t1 torps. train cruse for pve
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:13:00 -
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I don't believe this thread was meant to be serious.  It just can't be.
Forsch
Defender of the empire
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Osiris Occido
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Lil Mule
Im a Raven pilot
Originally by: Lil Mule
I have no time invested into Missile Bombardment, or Missile Projection
Originally by: Lil Mule
my focus was not in missiles, but rather into turrets
So you're not a Raven pilot. You just happen to use one for ratting, and are upset you have to switch to cruise or re-fit to rat 0.0 spawns with torps. And you're going to cancel your accounts because you have to change your "ratting" ship. As a Originally by: Lil Mule
0.0 PVP pilot
I'd think a change like this would be the least of your worries, and a very minor impact in ratting. Either drop to cruise, or setup the raven for close-range. But you obviously are upset about other things and eve, and using this as your end-all-,-good-bye-eve-if-I-can't-have-my-pumpkin-pie.
Increased damage for decreased range.. a true short-range missile for a raven. For ratting think about the versatility benefits of a cruise vs. torp raven, both in setups and inevidable pvp-encounters.
For true Raven pilots this change is a god-send.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:59:00 -
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Im crying my eyes out because my raven got nerfed!! I only killed a kronos 1vs1 on sisi yesterday fighting him at 5km range using t1 torps and launchers!!1 :/
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littlechaoz2
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Posted - 2007.11.29 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: littlechaoz2 on 29/11/2007 00:40:34
Originally by: Lil Mule
Edited by: Lil Mule on 28/11/2007 22:19:55
While Im sure there are lots of posts already on the many many pages on this forum I thought I would put the following question out there to the seasoned players, before I cancel all of my accounts, just to make sure I have all of the facts.
Yes Im a Raven pilot, its my source of income because, primarily Im a 0.0 PVP pilot. I just tested my Raven on Singularity - and it has an effective range of 9 KM's. Granted, I have no time invested into Missile Bombardment, or Missile Projection, as my focus was not in missiles, but rather into turrets for PVP purposes. However, if I do the math (and yes its no my best subject), with full Missile bombardment skills, and Missile Project skills, and 2 rigs, I can get my range to 26 km's(I think).
My first question is: Is this correct/accurate?
My second queation is: What is the max range? What else can I get to increase range?
Its highly unlikely Im going to invest much time getting my skills to lvl 5 for torpedo's as I have to attempt to keep up with the 0.0 Nanno craze, and of course find some way to make my pvp skills viable post Trinity. Torpedo's to my character are for funding my pvp characters only. Furthermore, because of the nerfs to Sniping turret BS's - my Long range sniper BS is no longer an option (even to run PVE). From my point of view, because CCP has decided to heavily nerf all of my ships (1 PVE BS setup, 1 sniing PVP BS set and my force recon) Ive pretty much had enough, unless Im just missing something on a Raven setup that would allow me to hit around 40KM's and at least keep my source of income flowing.
So my question is - do I have it correct that it would take me almost 20 days approximately to get my torpedo's to 26 km's? I can live with 40 km's (as is my current range, and since its for pve thats just fine with me).
Thanks for the help
see this is one reason for the changes, u didnt have to train ANYTHING to use torps, now it takes actual skill training, if u do not like having to train said skills to use the things u want, i suggest u use as u urself said, a turret ship like the one u trained for pvp, those work just as well, i would also suggest u give me ur stuff since u are clearly an epic fail.
edit* plus u dont need level 5 skills to be proficient, it just makes it easier, get over it.
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Gallente
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.29 00:48:00 -
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i think they are just bringign torps into line with the rest of the short range weaponry.
thats why heavy assault missiles were introduced to accompany rockets and torps as high damage very short range weaponry.
most of the other short range turrets have same RoF and varying ranges, pulse lasers have the greater distance (20km base) but are weaker (x3) altho if u attach a multi freq u wud only have a 10km optimal but similar damage output to the rest of the turrets if u can get high damage with a distance of about 25km then ur better off than the turret users, auto's have abotu 5km range with max skills and weak ammo. i always use cruise missiles fo rmy missions as they take out everything from cruiser - battleship and let the drones take care the flys.
if ur flying a raven then get ur missile skilsl sorted, if u have better turrets u shud be using a rokh.
its basically me saying i'm a tempest pilot but i have BSlv2 and large projectile lv1 if u was a real raven pilot u'd already have the skills up and have a reason to be pee'd off but CCP have said on a few occasions that they want to direct torps to short range high damage, think they even said it last year around patch time when Heavy Assaults were beign introduced.
I rememebr the exodus or red moon patch which brought us the now accepted missile specific launcher, ahh the days of cruise launchers with god knows how many heavy missiles loaded into them was beautiful, then we had the now accepted change from torps doing 500 damage to a frig to the velocity/sig radius affeted damage we have now, face it, we've had rougher nerfs in the past and we got over it, thing i say bout this is if u want range ona misile boat use the range missiles, same as u'd use howies to snipe with and not auto's. personally i think things are now more balanced and people shud adapt to the changes like we have done in the past.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Juha85
Im crying my eyes out because my raven got nerfed!! I only killed a kronos 1vs1 on sisi yesterday fighting him at 5km range using t1 torps and launchers!!1 :/
this koronos pilot was completely incompetent or you did use ecm drones:)
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sleashe
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Posted - 2007.11.29 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lil Mule
Edited by: Lil Mule on 28/11/2007 22:19:55
While Im sure there are lots of posts already on the many many pages on this forum I thought I would put the following question out there to the seasoned players, before I cancel all of my accounts, just to make sure I have all of the facts.
Yes Im a Raven pilot, its my source of income because, primarily Im a 0.0 PVP pilot. I just tested my Raven on Singularity - and it has an effective range of 9 KM's. Granted, I have no time invested into Missile Bombardment, or Missile Projection, as my focus was not in missiles, but rather into turrets for PVP purposes. However, if I do the math (and yes its no my best subject), with full Missile bombardment skills, and Missile Project skills, and 2 rigs, I can get my range to 26 km's(I think).
My first question is: Is this correct/accurate?
My second queation is: What is the max range? What else can I get to increase range?
Its highly unlikely Im going to invest much time getting my skills to lvl 5 for torpedo's as I have to attempt to keep up with the 0.0 Nanno craze, and of course find some way to make my pvp skills viable post Trinity. Torpedo's to my character are for funding my pvp characters only. Furthermore, because of the nerfs to Sniping turret BS's - my Long range sniper BS is no longer an option (even to run PVE). From my point of view, because CCP has decided to heavily nerf all of my ships (1 PVE BS setup, 1 sniing PVP BS set and my force recon) Ive pretty much had enough, unless Im just missing something on a Raven setup that would allow me to hit around 40KM's and at least keep my source of income flowing.
So my question is - do I have it correct that it would take me almost 20 days approximately to get my torpedo's to 26 km's? I can live with 40 km's (as is my current range, and since its for pve thats just fine with me).
Thanks for the help
well for me since t2 torps came out, my raven has been fitted for close range...
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Geren Basbar
Helios Incorporated
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.29 03:57:00 -
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I haven't fit torps on my Raven for...... ages.
I do more DPS with cruise than torps atm. And at a greater range. Of course, I'm a god with cruise, and only so-so on the torp skill points.
The torp 'nerf' doesn't really bother me too much. It makes sense actually, and brings Caldari in line with the other race's short range weapons.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.11.29 04:09:00 -
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My only problem is the fitting of the torps being more than the cruise, backwards from other weapon systems.
As for the raven, it ain't undisputed king of PvE anymore. You'll live. For me it just means I can switch to cruises and fit an extra turret on my typhoon.
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Drixy
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Posted - 2007.11.29 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Drixy on 29/11/2007 07:43:28
Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns
I rememebr the exodus or red moon patch which brought us the now accepted missile specific launcher, ahh the days of cruise launchers with god knows how many heavy missiles loaded into them was beautiful, then we had the now accepted change from torps doing 500 damage to a frig to the velocity/sig radius affeted damage we have now, face it, we've had rougher nerfs in the past and we got over it, thing i say bout this is if u want range ona misile boat use the range missiles, same as u'd use howies to snipe with and not auto's. personally i think things are now more balanced and people shud adapt to the changes like we have done in the past.
gief back kestrels with cruise missiles loaded into standard missile launchers, kk  , oh wait, that's stealth bomber 
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: d026
Originally by: Juha85
Im crying my eyes out because my raven got nerfed!! I only killed a kronos 1vs1 on sisi yesterday fighting him at 5km range using t1 torps and launchers!!1 :/
this koronos pilot was completely incompetent or you did use ecm drones:)
Actually I think he ran out of cap =)
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Freya Nordlicht
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:49:00 -
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can i have your stuff?
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Xiaodown
Dragons Of Redemption
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:07:00 -
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Eh, I'm not that worried. I liked torps on my ratting raven, but now i'll just fit cruise. Means also I can fit T2 cruise launchers for less CPU than fitting arbalest siege launchers (grumble lack of CPU grumble). Also, with cruise, I can probably drop the pwnage painter and stick another hardener or extender or SBA on my raven.
Adapt, man. This is by far not the worst of the nerfs coming down the trinity pipe.
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Anthia
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: d026
Originally by: Juha85
Im crying my eyes out because my raven got nerfed!! I only killed a kronos 1vs1 on sisi yesterday fighting him at 5km range using t1 torps and launchers!!1 :/
this koronos pilot was completely incompetent or you did use ecm drones:)
Actually I think he ran out of cap =)
... or he was running for a coffee while beeing afk
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:12:00 -
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Am I the only one that thinks of this as a buff? Cruise missiles FFS (and for ratting/missioning's sake )
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Oh Noes!
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Rudy Metallo
G.H.O.S.T
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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 29/11/2007 21:31:21
Buy a Rohk, you can hit from out at 250+km w/ spike and the same ammount of Tracking Comps.
Nuff said.
NinjaEdit: Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: d026
Originally by: Juha85
Im crying my eyes out because my raven got nerfed!! I only killed a kronos 1vs1 on sisi yesterday fighting him at 5km range using t1 torps and launchers!!1 :/
this koronos pilot was completely incompetent or you did use ecm drones:)
Actually I think he ran out of cap =)
With a 1200+m3 Cargo bay he can more 800 charges than you can shake a stick at. I doubt he ran out of cap. Was probably afk/stupid as hell.
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zilllii
Squirrel Power
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
I don't believe this thread was meant to be serious. It just can't be.
remember the raven pilots screaming and wondering why they couldnt lock anything further then 9k away in less then 3min at the wcs fix so this might also be serious.
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