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Li via	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:32:00 - [1] It will no longer be possible to use the cargohold of a ship stored in a ship maintenance array for additional storage. Only charges will be storable.? Just checkin. -Li
Hypothetical Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:38:00 - [2] CCP was smart about this tbh. They suggested the ******** drone nerf, then slipped the hauling nerf in. It sucks, but it's better than the proposed fighter nerf, and it WILL be nice to be able to carry fleet BSs. I think "happy" is overstating it, we're at the acceptance phase.
Wooly Gump	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:40:00 - [3] Omfg, whine more.
Dirk Magnum FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:43:00 - [4] No, the new colors on the Thanatos are horrible thank you very much for asking my opinion on the topic of nerfs involving carriers.
Bon Hedus Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Wooly Gump Omfg, whine more. Troll elsewhere please Not happy with it, but it should be livable. -------------------------------------- Heavy Lag Spike II belonging to EvE Cluster Node #0815 hits your Connection, wrecking your latency to 998ms [orange]signature removed - please email us to fi
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:55:00 - [6] Great change. Logistics for most alliances in 0.0 are, for the most part, nearly impossible to interdict at the moment no matter what you do. And that's mainly because of carriers. Logistics and clear supply lines should be something difficult that you have to plan for and defend in a war.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.29 02:56:00 - [7] Yup, we're good. Hopefully come december 5 you guys can take down those crappy sigs
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 03:01:00 - [8] You can still carry charges. Im fine with it --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Rydia Davenport Caldari Claflin Industries	Posted - 2007.11.29 03:34:00 - [9] all fine here. now carriers can move battleships...whats not to love???
Gridwalker Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Great change. Logistics for most alliances in 0.0 are, for the most part, nearly impossible to interdict at the moment no matter what you do. And that's mainly because of carriers. Logistics and clear supply lines should be something difficult that you have to plan for and defend in a war. Which is, of course, why they are introducing Jump Freighters. Let's not pretend that the changes to carriers are anything but CCP deciding they didn't like the roles carriers ended up filling. We're just going to need to see how this all pans out next week. -Grid

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Gridwalker Originally by: Reem Fairchild Great change. Logistics for most alliances in 0.0 are, for the most part, nearly impossible to interdict at the moment no matter what you do. And that's mainly because of carriers. Logistics and clear supply lines should be something difficult that you have to plan for and defend in a war. Which is, of course, why they are introducing Jump Freighters. Let's not pretend that the changes to carriers are anything but CCP deciding they didn't like the roles carriers ended up filling. We're just going to need to see how this all pans out next week. -Grid note the delay of jump freighters being "introduced" and operational.
Queen Killerz	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:31:00 - [12] Edited by: Queen Killerz on 29/11/2007 04:33:36 Originally by: Li via It will no longer be possible to use the cargohold of a ship stored in a ship maintenance array for additional storage. Only charges will be storable.? Just checkin. -Li Wow I can see people leaving the game over this. Maybe that what CCP intended to do anyways. Never shocking to hear about NERFS in EVE. I just laugh and move on.. All this BECAUSE "We must find away to stop isk sellers" EDIT : Didnt SWG Game designer kill their game too?
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Rydia Davenport all fine here. now carriers can move battleships...whats not to love??? The fact that you can't put 2 megathrons, 2 apoc's or 2 hyperions into the carrier bays? Not that bad for ammar as no one uses the apoc anymore anyway, but really sucky for gallente. _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erorr's in tihs psot
wapacz Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:44:00 - [14] Edited by: wapacz on 29/11/2007 04:45:52 Really thinking about quiting now. I just spent 2.5 bill isk on a ship that took me 8 months to train and have had less than 2 months. The carrier now pretty much has 5k of capacity becuase the carrier needs fuel to go any where so you have to pack extra to be safe. Then they are increasing the size of cap modules so carrier can't carry a refit. Though the real pain of this all is that I now have to keep track of other peoples refits. I really just don't have the will to put in the time for isk grind. The time for the skills. To just to have a ship nerfed to make another one look worth while. Especially on something that cost so much isk that it practically would have paid for my whole play time in eve and has took a 1/3 of my time in eve to get into.
Butalus	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:50:00 - [15] oh noes a goonie leaving eve theres a tragedy Back to the point dont like it but can live with it
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:56:00 - [16] I take each swing of the nerf bat as they come, directly to the face. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Queen Killerz	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Butalus oh noes a goonie leaving eve theres a tragedy Back to the point dont like it but can live with it You have NO clue what he just said. I don't think you can eve understand what he said. Because you probably are still in a noob ship. It takes most Capital ship polit about yr and half to train the skills. It takes more then one account to move these ships around It is very easy to see why CCP would destroy the ship, but at very costly mistake. Do I really care? No I didn't train Capital ships, I don't think I will either. With all the changes and Price gouging going on .. I haven't a clue what im doing. Honestly if I didn't have my friends here I might have move on long ago. After all its the community that makes this game. I think that what I like the most!
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:12:00 - [18] Edited by: Cadiz on 29/11/2007 05:13:49 The doubling of the base cargohold of Rorquals should prove adequate in picking up the slack here. I think people figured that the new Rorq will be able to get, what, around 120k m3 cargo space without resorting to t2 rigs or somesuch? Not to mention that said Rorqual is actually more effective in terms of isotopes per m3 hauled than the new jump freighters. Unless they tweak jump freighter cargo capacity, fuel usage, or jump range in an upward direction, there's not really a huge reason to go using them quite yet. Probably another example or a prenerfed ship, really. Rorqual has half the carrying capacity of a jump freighter, but uses 1/3rd of the fuel. Jump range is the same, and it has self-defense capabilities to boot. So yeah, it's annoying and it's another 450mil isk skill that people need to go pick up, not to mention more midpoint hassles than before, but other than that it's hardly a crippling deathblow to 0.0 logistics. Back to the 2005 era of indy & freighter convoys it is not. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
bluechimera D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:48:00 - [19] Oi...they mean the Ship Maintenance Bay with that? The wording "ship maintenance array" is the name of the POS structure that you can store ships/refit at. Didnt realize that they called the carrier bay the same thing :o Quick Jacques, silence me before the masses have an opinion!
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:49:00 - [20] Originally by: bluechimera Oi...they mean the Ship Maintenance Bay with that? The wording "ship maintenance array" is the name of the POS structure that you can store ships/refit at. Didnt realize that they called the carrier bay the same thing :o Yep. Only things ships stored inside carriers will be able to have in their cargo holds are ammo charges and (I presume) cap boosters. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."

bluechimera D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Cadiz Originally by: bluechimera Oi...they mean the Ship Maintenance Bay with that? The wording "ship maintenance array" is the name of the POS structure that you can store ships/refit at. Didnt realize that they called the carrier bay the same thing :o Yep. Only things ships stored inside carriers will be able to have in their cargo holds are ammo charges and (I presume) cap boosters. Holy *ness batman....how the ** am I moving my backup modules around now @_@ Quick Jacques, silence me before the masses have an opinion!
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:53:00 - [22] Originally by: bluechimera Holy *ness batman....how the ** am I moving my backup modules around now @_@ So I herd u liek whatever part of your corp hangar bay isn't filled with backup fuel... ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:58:00 - [23] It could have been worse.........much worse ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.11.29 06:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Li via It will no longer be possible to use the cargohold of a ship stored in a ship maintenance array for additional storage. Only charges will be storable.? Just checkin. -Li What carrier nerf? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Queen Killerz	Posted - 2007.11.29 06:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Eval B'Stard It could have been worse.........much worse What could have been worse? --------------------------- POS renting in drone regions becomes what? Carrier become one big freighter with (Use of 5 drones) and will the fuel cost cover the freighter charge? Still asking myself why I give two ****
William Darkk Gallente Vengeance of the Fallen Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.29 06:34:00 - [26] Wasn't haulers in carriers with cargo in them a bug in the first place? I remember reading posts to the effect that it was. IIRC it was "you can put a hauler with cargo into a carrier if it's docked but not if it's in space, one of these behaviors is probably a bug". -------------------------------------------------- <3 my Drones
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.11.29 06:55:00 - [27] well rather the hauling ability than the fighting ability... if they really would nerf fighters.. hmmm then i would be very damn upset.. VERY. OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.11.29 07:17:00 - [28] Originally by: UGWidowmaker well rather the hauling ability than the fighting ability... if they really would nerf fighters.. hmmm then i would be very damn upset.. VERY. I can't wait for the fighter nerf. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Haven Allroon	Posted - 2007.11.29 07:25:00 - [29] Not like it matters, CCP only opens these kind of threads to lock them
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.29 07:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Cadiz Edited by: Cadiz on 29/11/2007 05:13:49 The doubling of the base cargohold of Rorquals should prove adequate in picking up the slack here. I think people figured that the new Rorq will be able to get, what, around 120k m3 cargo space without resorting to t2 rigs or somesuch? Not to mention that said Rorqual is actually more effective in terms of isotopes per m3 hauled than the new jump freighters. Unless they tweak jump freighter cargo capacity, fuel usage, or jump range in an upward direction, there's not really a huge reason to go using them quite yet. Probably another example or a prenerfed ship, really. Rorqual has half the carrying capacity of a jump freighter, but uses 1/3rd of the fuel. Jump range is the same, and it has self-defense capabilities to boot. So yeah, it's annoying and it's another 450mil isk skill that people need to go pick up, not to mention more midpoint hassles than before, but other than that it's hardly a crippling deathblow to 0.0 logistics. Back to the 2005 era of indy & freighter convoys it is not. Bingo. We're as sure as hell not happy about it, but it's pretty obvious this was coming the moment CCP found out that the community wouldn't stand for the fighter nerf; something else had to go. We have our Rorquals lined up and ready to go, we'll accept what we've been given, if only because we have no other choice. I am a little steamed about what this means for fuel costs though. All of those carriers replaced with Oxygen-chugging Rorquals... ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map



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