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Boz Well	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:32:00 - [451] Any word on getting this Vista-compatible? I'd love to use this program, but have had no luck getting it to run on my laptop and the most I can see in the PDF manual that comes with the download is that it hasn't been tested on/designed for Vista. Has anyone had success getting it to run on a Vista machine? Any word on when the base program will be made Vista-compatible? Thanks.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.21 08:00:00 - [452] Lots of people have reported it running fine on Vista with various different versions (Home or Ultimate, 32bit or 64bit). It won't officially be supported until I put Vista on my machine though and tbh, that's not going to be for quite some time. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Rustre	Posted - 2008.04.21 14:13:00 - [453] Edited by: Rustre on 21/04/2008 14:14:03 Well, sorry if this post sounds a bit frustrated, but I am ^^ I've been trying to install this soft (because of all those comments and reply saying how usefull and EPIC it is) for a few hours now, but to no avail... Trying to use the 0.9.0.18-FULL version : can't register my character : even tried specifying the id and key in the settings.xml file, but it seems to be overwritten and "emptied" when i launch the soft Trying to use the 0.9.1.26 version : it seems it's missing a "items_data_update.xml" file, that i found in the 0.9.1.21 patch (which isn't in the OP). However, when i copy this file to the "data" folder, and patch the 0.9.0.18 version to the 0.9.1.26 version, the soft starts, displays a nice splashscreen, and stays at 99% CPU for more than 10 minutes without anything else happening. Here's what i did in my last attempt to make it work, in the order i did it : 1/ install SQL server (what a PAIN... does it need any specific installation/configuration? I just did the full default install) 2/ unzip the 0.9.0.18-FULL version 3/ unzip the 0.9.1.21 version (and copy the items_data_update.xml file to the 0.9.0.18-FULL/data folder 4/ unzip the 0.9.1.26 version and copy the two patched files to the 0.9.0.18-FULL folder => splash screen and 99% CPU used for more than 10 minutes (i left it like that for actually more than 11minutes, without any change or display...) Did I miss anything? EDIT : Sorry posted with my alt by mistake
Arkham Lerouge	Posted - 2008.04.21 14:15:00 - [454] Posted above post with my alt by mistake, sorry
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:41:00 - [455] Sorry, I'm afraid it's my crappy design decision once again. The problem is that it's doing a massive database update that can take 30 mins + Try leaving it longer and it should be fine (overnight if you don't mind leaving your machine on). I don't know if your problem from the last 'FULL' version will be resolved though, sounds like a bit of an odd one. Are you running under an account that has admin rights? -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Arkham Lerouge	Posted - 2008.04.22 06:46:00 - [456] Yep, i'm running an account with administrative rights. I'm sad I never used c# as a programming language, or i would have given a shot at changing the DB used ;) If you want my opinion, SQL server is really a pain, to install, use, administrate... There's the simple solution : sqlite which stores all the DB in a single file (makes it easy to package everything with the app). Anyway, will give a try leaving the update for a longer time. On a side note, i'd love more "web" tools for EVE, and i'm wondering what's preventing people from doing more (like the "eve [sexy] market thingy" or the google widgets), is it a lack of knowledge (not knowing php, asp, python, ruby, flash or the like) or because it would simply execute faster locally? Could you please share what made you take the decision to build a C# program ? I'd love to understand the motivations ;) After reading my post, i feel it might seem a bit presomptuous or critic, but it's not meant to, i'm really admirative of people actually doing something (and not just planning on, like me ;))
Arkham Lerouge	Posted - 2008.04.22 07:33:00 - [457] Ok so i launched the 0.9.1.26 again, left it for a while, and i finally had the main window... but no info at all... went in the file menu to enter my api ID and key (the full one) but i now have exactly the same issue i had with the 0.9.0.18 version : Problem validating account details: Unable to validate account details EVE API error. code: 521 Description : Invalid user name and/or password passed to UserData.LoginWebUser() I checked several times, the api ID and key provided are the correct ones, that i'm using in the google widgets successfully.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.22 07:54:00 - [458] I'm sorry you're still having problems but it sounds like you've done everything right. I know some people had similar problems and fixed it by editing the XML settings file manually. However, you say it just blanks out the data when you try that. Sounds very wierd and I'm not sure what else to suggest tbh. As a last resort you could try turning on error logging (settings->error logging) and then try putting in you user ID & api key again. Any exceptions in the backgroud will be logged to 'EMMA/Logging/ExceptionLog.txt'. This might provide more information about the error. As for using SQL Express, I choose it simply because I knew it. It took almost zero effort to integrate with my program, provided decent performance with reasonable overheads and provided all the functionality I needed. I've looked into some other solution, SQLLite was one but frankly it would take too much time that I simply don't have to use it instead. The reason it's not web based is the same reason it does not have an autoupdate feature. I.e. I'm not going to shell out for a web server and I don't want to run one at home. Also, I have little experience of web-based apps and personally, I would not use a web-based financial app for Eve because of security concerns. Finally C#, again, I know it very well, I can write things faster using C# than anything else, it's powerfull, fast and highly flexible. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Arkham Lerouge	Posted - 2008.04.22 08:18:00 - [459] thanks for the answer on why you used what ;) Very interesting indeed ! Regarding the app, I think i finally had it to work : when editing manually the settings.xml file, here's what i did : - fill in the UserID, APIKey, CharID, CharName and CorpName (not only the UserID and APIKey... you can find the CharID in the url when going to the official website, and clicking on "my character", then by selecting your character) - set the CharVerified and AccVerified to "True" (was set to "False" Not sure all this is needed, but by doing that I had access to all the "update" items in the "data" menu Hope this helps other people, and thanks again for this app!
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.22 11:25:00 - [460] glad you got it working in the end.
Arkham Lerouge	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:23:00 - [461] the reports are awesome! Was definitely worth the time spent on making it work! Thanks again for that app!
Dewar Scrabulous Minmatar Dreugan Enterprises	Posted - 2008.04.23 07:11:00 - [462] Now that I go the proper items_data_update.xml and have the newest version running, I'm pretty happy with this program. It's the first of its type that I've used, so I'll still be fishing around a bit, but expect It'll stay my most used program. I saw earlier in the thread you mentioned programming in a recycling manager of sorts, that will tell you when it's more profitable to recycle something rather than sell it. I'd just like to toss my name into the pile of people who'd love that feature, as it's the only reason I still need my excel files laying around. Also, more of a quick and dirty fix, I'd like to be able to add transactions into the list manually, so if I recycle or build an item, I can create a fake entry with the approximate cost of the minerals or worth of the recycled materials so all the figures remain straight. It seems like it would be something easy enough to do if there isn't time to put in some sort of larger system for dealing with building and recycling. Anyway, I'm not as rich as a lot of people, but I'll be firing you off a few million isk when I get the chance. Cheers! ---
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.23 07:35:00 - [463] Thanks. Glad you find it useful. I'm afraid I've had an increasingly manic time at work for the last month or so. That's just peaked last week but I'm still very busy and will be for at least the next few weeks as well. Consequently, EMMA has been going nowhere for quite some time. I still hope to get the big upgrade finished, I just have no idea when it's going to be. After that, I'll start working on the requested features, the recyle helper/manager will be at the top of the list as a lot of people seem to want it. It would actually be pretty tricky to add the ability to manualy add a transaction as it would involve re-writing a lot of other areas as well. (due to the way transaction ID's are used by EMMA) Sadly, this is just not somthing that I have time to do right now. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.24 22:20:00 - [464] Ok, here is an interesting issue I am having. I have all my data saved under my character name as normal. I decided to make a second one for one of my alts to track his trading. This worked fine and I was able to create the new name and load information to it, etc. Unfortunately when I tried moving back to my original data, changing the character and loading the old data, I ran into problems. The API data wouldn't load... so I reset my API key (I kind of needed to do that anyhow). Now I get an error authenticating my api key. Here is the real issue. If I "Change Account Details" it clears my data in the process. If I load data it loads my old Account Details. So basically there is no way for me to update my API key for my existing data. Unless of course I am missing something very simple (which it seems like I must be).
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.25 05:57:00 - [465] EMMA can only work with 1 character at once. Also, each save file relates only to one character. To use it with two characters you need to enter the account details for the first and then save a data file (I usually use the name of the character). You could then change account details and enter the second character's information. This would clear any data from the first character in the database. You then save again under a different name. When you want to work with each character you have to load the appropriate data file. This loads in not only all the financial data but also the account details for the appropriate user. I suspect the API Key issue you had was the CCP servers being slow to reflect the change you had made. If it's still a problem then perhaps try evemon or somthing to confirm this? Hope this answers your problem. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.25 06:30:00 - [466] Originally by: Ambo EMMA can only work with 1 character at once. Also, each save file relates only to one character. To use it with two characters you need to enter the account details for the first and then save a data file (I usually use the name of the character). You could then change account details and enter the second character's information. This would clear any data from the first character in the database. You then save again under a different name. When you want to work with each character you have to load the appropriate data file. This loads in not only all the financial data but also the account details for the appropriate user. I suspect the API Key issue you had was the CCP servers being slow to reflect the change you had made. If it's still a problem then perhaps try evemon or somthing to confirm this? Hope this answers your problem. I do understand the multiple saves for multiple characters. I already did that. Unfortunately it seems that every time I load my data for Shadarle it wants to use the old key. I created a new key as it had been awhile since I updated it and for security reasons I wanted to update it. So I try to change my character data to use the new key. But when I change my character data it wipes all the info in the process. So I can either have all my data and be unable to update or I can have an account I can update but has no data. Again, I feel like I'm just missing something simple. It seems like I should be able to update my character data without wiping my info...
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.25 09:42:00 - [467] Oh, I see. hmmm, never really considered that possiblity tbh. The only way you could do it atm is to manualy edit the XML settings file. First load the character you want to change the apikey on, then exit EMMA and go into the 'data' folder and open the 'settings.xml' file. Edit the APIKey line to contain your new key then save the file and open up EMMA again, all should now work fine. I'll consider this for my rewrite I'm doing. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Calgorac The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.26 00:48:00 - [468] I get an error when updating transations one with the same key already exists and it stops the update im in corp mode
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.26 06:27:00 - [469] Which version are you on? In 0.9.1.26 all these issues should be fixed. If you're fully updated then would you mind sending me the xml that is causing the problem (run the transaction update and then get the 'lastAPIResponse.xml' file from the logging folder. You can send it to [email protected] -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.26 06:53:00 - [470] Originally by: Ambo Oh, I see. hmmm, never really considered that possiblity tbh. The only way you could do it atm is to manualy edit the XML settings file. First load the character you want to change the apikey on, then exit EMMA and go into the 'data' folder and open the 'settings.xml' file. Edit the APIKey line to contain your new key then save the file and open up EMMA again, all should now work fine. I'll consider this for my rewrite I'm doing. Thanks, trying the settings file update now. That should do it. Shouldn't it be simple enough to not erase the data when changing character data? Or to simply add a new option to just update the API-Key but not allow you to change user data in this option... that way you don't have to worry about people trying to load diff characters. I obviously don't know the inner workings... but I would think that would be doable in a small update?
Tanmoe	Posted - 2008.04.26 10:32:00 - [471] Quote: Or to simply add a new option to just update the API-Key but not allow you to change user data in this option... Working on it ... as you said it should'nt be too hard.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.26 12:50:00 - [472] Originally by: Tanmoe Quote: Or to simply add a new option to just update the API-Key but not allow you to change user data in this option... Working on it ... as you said it should'nt be too hard. Indeed, since we now have an extra person on the sourceforge project dev team, we should get some progress on things sooner than waiting for me to get over the current mental period at work. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Calgorac The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.26 13:54:00 - [473] Originally by: Ambo Which version are you on? In 0.9.1.26 all these issues should be fixed. If you're fully updated then would you mind sending me the xml that is causing the problem (run the transaction update and then get the 'lastAPIResponse.xml' file from the logging folder. You can send it to [email protected] I was using an older version... just used the patch to upgrade to latest and it seems to be working now... thanks For Buy back option Contact "James Omerand" ingame.24 billion under Management
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.26 19:07:00 - [474] Edited by: Shadarle on 26/04/2008 19:07:17 Originally by: Ambo Originally by: Tanmoe Quote: Or to simply add a new option to just update the API-Key but not allow you to change user data in this option... Working on it ... as you said it should'nt be too hard. Indeed, since we now have an extra person on the sourceforge project dev team, we should get some progress on things sooner than waiting for me to get over the current mental period at work. Excellent, this is by far the best trading tool out there, love it. Will be great to see what is in store now that two people are plugging away EDIT> BTW, I got it working with the editing of the xml file, thanks
FreylockIII	Posted - 2008.04.28 18:24:00 - [475] I posted a while back about EMMA not loading and so I let it run over night as you suggested and it finally loaded and now every time I start it up it loads fine. However, I'm not getting an error when I try to update assets. "Problem updating assets from EVI API. Could not find stored procedure 'dbo.SetAssetProcFlag'" And again, when trying to export "Problem exporting character data: Problem loading asset data from the EMMA database." Ideas? Thanks
Calgorac The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:52:00 - [476] Is it possible to pull up a report about a specific wallet when in corp mode? As far as I can see the reports include all wallets For Buy back option Contact "James Omerand" ingame.24 billion under Management
Dingi223	Posted - 2008.04.29 03:06:00 - [477] I am having issues with the corporate mode. The import / export works great, items update, however when I attempt to run a report two things happen: 1. It gets confused that it is in corp mode, and doesn't allow me to select a wallet. 2. I switch to User mode, back to Corp mode, and wallet selection is available. 3. I run the report once without issue 4. I click to run reports, and I get the following error message: "Column 'ID' is constrained to be unique. Value '0' is already present. Any ideas?
Christine Everett Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.29 04:18:00 - [478] I got pointed at this, havent yet gotten it to work(I first downloaded only a patch and thought it was the full, and now i am getting upgrade exceptions) However this is not why I'm posting. The db choice is almost a deal breaker. I know I know, SQL express aint that bad, but my problem is I already have 1 full RDBMS solution installed(mysql), several clients and a bunch of embedded db engines. What you need sir, is an ORM mapper. an ORM mapper is your friend. If I may be so bold as to suggest one, I would look at NHibernate. You can check it out at http://www.hibernate.org/343.html I cant vouch specifically for NHibernate (I am a java programmer, not a .NET one, but I have heard good things about it.) And while Hibernate aint perfect, its ORM mapping features are great. Using an ORM mapper rather than straight SQL lets your app be DB agnostic, which is where you want to be. It also lets the oddles of people I have seen post(as well as myself, as well as the countless others that may have balked at running EMMA when they saw its requirements) use their fav DB solution. If you want sqllite, no problem, oracle, no problem. You'll have em all covered. Please... Take a look at it. do so, and you'll be avoiding writing straight SQL before no time.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.29 07:22:00 - [479] Originally by: Calgorac Is it possible to pull up a report about a specific wallet when in corp mode? As far as I can see the reports include all wallets Originally by: Dingi223 I am having issues with the corporate mode. The import / export works great, items update, however when I attempt to run a report two things happen: 1. It gets confused that it is in corp mode, and doesn't allow me to select a wallet. 2. I switch to User mode, back to Corp mode, and wallet selection is available. 3. I run the report once without issue 4. I click to run reports, and I get the following error message: "Column 'ID' is constrained to be unique. Value '0' is already present. Any ideas? Alas, corp mode is not as solid as it should be, it never got the same ammount of testing/use as the character mode. Still, I'll add these problems to the project bug tracker and we should be able to get them sorted. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.04.29 07:50:00 - [480] Some problems keep cropping up so I've started a Common Problems section at the beginning of this thread. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA

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