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Deep Throat Amarr AJAX.	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:32:00 - [1] It is my opinion that recon ships are little by little(amongst other things) killing off combat in this game, after all there is no fight when a ship is jammed,dampened,webbed and energy dried.. and little by little the development will be that everyone only flies recon ships or in recon ship heavy gangs. This can be further observed by the fact that recon ships cost more now than heavy assault and are almost equal to command ships in pricing... heavy demand. But enough talking, no essays just quick poll a) get rid of recon ships or nerf them heavily on their current ew bonuses b) no changes
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:35:00 - [2] Oh boy are you going to hate the new frigates... Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:35:00 - [3] All except the Caldari recon ships will get nerfed because of scripts in Trinity. So A is already happening, your survey is a bit redundant I'm afraid. ============================================
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:38:00 - [4] Originally by: N1fty All except the Caldari recon ships will get nerfed because of scripts in Trinity. So A is already happening, your survey is a bit redundant I'm afraid. Actually, the Caldari recons are better. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
poooooooobritaltt	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:38:00 - [5] good idea lets remove everything except the hard hitting weapons ships and remove all speed and ewar
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Avon Originally by: N1fty All except the Caldari recon ships will get nerfed because of scripts in Trinity. So A is already happening, your survey is a bit redundant I'm afraid. Actually, the Caldari recons are better. Woah! you split that hair right down the middle didnt you? I didnt say what was happening to Caldari except that they were not being nerfed. My statement is totally valid, why would you make such an annoying post. Oh right, troll ============================================
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Deep Throat It is my opinion that recon ships are little by little(amongst other things) killing off combat in this game, after all there is no fight when a ship is jammed,dampened,webbed and energy dried.. and little by little the development will be that everyone only flies recon ships or in recon ship heavy gangs. This can be further observed by the fact that recon ships cost more now than heavy assault and are almost equal to command ships in pricing... heavy demand. But enough talking, no essays just quick poll a) get rid of recon ships or nerf them heavily on their current ew bonuses b) no changes You're right. In fact let's just post our EFT setups at each other: highest DPS wins! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Matrixcvd on 29/11/2007 16:57:13 are you kidding me? this is a pile so smelly.... Sounds like you got WTFPWN'd by a recon and think they are just the uber IWIN mobiles. People like you are why this game is going down hill
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 16:57:00 - [9] Originally by: N1fty Oh right, troll Caldari recons = better. Minmatar = same. Gallente = re-balanced (damps were overpowered, no doubt) Amarr = The NOS changes nerfed these, scripts will actually make little difference. (Because you had to be within turret range anyway to nos, even when tracking disrupted, and so you were relying on tracking speed disruption to keep you safe - so just use that script) - drone changes however are a compensating buff. Honestly, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a troll. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:01:00 - [10] Haven't Gallente been nerfed enough? Look at the new dominix Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly quote: "Villains always have antidotes... They're funny that way." ~The Tick
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Grimpak on 29/11/2007 17:04:52 Originally by: Avon Gallente = re-balanced (damps were overpowered, no doubt) ...but it wasn't a reason to make them need to fit 4 damps just to trying to achieve what a non-specialist ship can do with 2 now. they need their bonus changed. same goes for the amarr ones. oh and the EAS are not that great. only the Hyena is "good". the rest I'm seeing going the way of the AF. --- planetary interaction idea!
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:04:00 - [12] Originally by: N1fty All except the Caldari recon ships will get nerfed because of scripts in Trinity. So A is already happening, your survey is a bit redundant I'm afraid. How are scripts messing with Minnie recons? ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Grimpak ...but it wasn't a reason to make them need to fit 4 damps just to trying to achieve what a non-specialist ship can do with 2 now. they need their bonus changed. same goes for the amarr ones. Well, as an Arazu pilot myself I tend to agree Damps in general were over-used, and did need a bit of a bash with the nerf stick. However, ships with damp bonuses should get maybe a 50% increase in them. The changes with Neut cap cost and drone bay sizes do a little to improve the Amarr recons, and I think they may once again be a viable ship (when I lost my last Pilgrim I never bothered replacing it). Might test them out tonight actually. Quote: oh and the EAS are not that great. only the Hyena is "good". the rest I'm seeing going the way of the AF. The Kitsune is an ebil likkle bugger too. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:13:00 - [14] Hey another nerf thread! We need more nerfs in this game! Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Avon oh and the EAS are not that great. only the Hyena is "good". the rest I'm seeing going the way of the AF. The Kitsune is an ebil likkle bugger too. the T1 hull can jam farther and with the same strength. why? here's why comparing to the Griffin that can get a max targetting range of 75km, thus allowing to actually use the max range of the jammers (racial and multispec) I say that the kitsune is not that great. and yes, that screenshot was made with EAS skill at 1 and long range targetting at 5. ECM optimal range skill is at 4 aswell. --- planetary interaction idea!
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:38:00 - [16] Whether you think recons (and nanos) are good depends on whether you think combat should be like this or this.
Deep Throat Amarr AJAX.	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Matrixcvd Edited by: Matrixcvd on 29/11/2007 16:57:13 are you kidding me? this is a pile so smelly.... Sounds like you got WTFPWN'd by a recon and think they are just the uber IWIN mobiles. People like you are why this game is going down hill says the guy from the alliance thats known for flying nothing but nanos and nanorecons... boohoo try sticking around and fight for once, u might like it
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:09:00 - [18] No changes. They are tech 2 cruisers. They are supposed to be powerful. As it is, they have little firepower, and almost no defense. You get into a larger fight, they get primaried and die on sight. If anything, they all need to be boosted. Your problem is not the Recons though. Your problem is electronic warfare in general, because you want all combat to be ultra-boring gank versus tank slug fests with no real tactics or finesse involved.
Cailais Amarr W A R	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:44:00 - [19] If you nerf the Amarr recons anymore, then they'll be at serious risk of being wtfpwned by shuttles. Instead of lame whining why not fit the plethora of counter measures, or try flying a new hacdictor. And where does a HAC cost more than a Pilgrim? Or a Curse?? And finally (rage building) jamming, damps, web, and energy draining IS COMBAT!!!!!!! C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.29 19:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Cailais And finally (temper tantrum building) jamming, damps, web, and energy draining IS SLAPPING EACH OTHER WITH WET FISH!!!!!!! There you go, I fixed it for you.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.29 19:42:00 - [21] For what the little buggers cost they should be good ships. And the Arazu is getting one of it's bonus cut in half, so you are getting your wish. Shame. The new model is teh hot. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli

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