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Kirjava
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Posted - 2007.11.29 23:06:00 -
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Realy my mind boggles that such a system exists that by naming an innanimate object after a small child who was in turn named after a prophet that forged the bloody (in both senses) Ottaman Empire, a teacher helping people is sentanced to jailtime and whipping.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2007.11.30 12:12:00 -
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Is it wrong of me to find it a tad off that one of the links on the Council's website says "Islam is peace" when at the moment Islamic states such as Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan ect are probably the biggest threat to the world at the moment?
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Posted - 2007.11.30 13:25:00 -
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To clarify, I said Islamic STATES and not Islam itself. I find any mixing of Religion and Politics as disturbing, be it Islam Christianity or Pastifarian.
I am atheist, I can see why people would want to follow a religion, but I have seen that the real world is cruel, and that promises of a better afterlife is common in all cultures first as a means to survival from a psycological point then turned to control of the lower classes.
I find it a tad off that religious groups such as the Council of Britain are seen both as the authority on Islam and that a religion defines itself as peace instead of one aiming for it, there is a sublte difference
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2007.11.30 13:35:00 -
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 Originally by: DarkMatter
The difference is the Christian, western, nations do not bomb & kill in the name of their religion.
However, if you can't see the difference between the way a Christian nation operates and an Islamic nation operates, then you're either intentionally ignoring the difference or you're stupid.
Unfortunatly in the UK we have had these problems since before WW1 with the Dominion of Ireland's seperation from the UK as a Catholic majority to form the Republic of Ireland.
The majority Protestant population of Ulster, was left as a part of the UK (Northern Ireland), and the IRA has waged a terrorist campaighn against Britian for decades as a seperatist movement, the Loyalist UVA and British Armed Forces against the IRA.
This is the reason Britian is so adept at fighting anti terrist campaighns in the middle east - we have veterans from Northern Ireland, and as it is also a Protestant/Catholic dispute that disproves your point about Christianity.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2007.11.30 14:31:00 -
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Both sides of that arguement have points and a grain of truth in them.....
As far as my knowlege of Islam is, there is a concept called Umar or something pronounced like that, which is Islam's stated goal of a global Islamic nation.
On the other hand it is one hell of a Zit that Christianity has in that case, the religion of much of Africa is Christianity right? And you will be making no freinds by playing down the Irish Trouble's in Britian, it was on the verge of a civil war according to my parent's who lived through it. The reason it wasn't declared as such was because Thatcher didn't want the UN troops in as a sighn of weakness to the world and Russia.
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Posted - 2007.11.30 14:52:00 -
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Said strong leader's are killed before they can do anything.
The system is flawless, the strong elect new member's who are strong and follow their interpretation of Islam. Anyone who can oppose this is killed as a heretic, spreading information is also controled by the state. I would reckon that 99% of the people who can make a difference are dead before they get to the point of doing anything.
In this case outside support is needed, it can be said it isn't our problem and it is too large to do anything, we can either wait and hope for the best while keeping our guns bigger than theirs to keep them in their borders or invade, breakup and remove the previous rulers.
I would think that since the religion and state are so integrated, that an attack on one would be seen as an attack on the other and hence a nationalitic situation occurs and liberators are seen as oppressors from their perspective. Look at Iraq now for instance, I would like to think that it was for liberating that we went in and for a part it seems that was part of the myriad of reasons, Oil was a priority of course, spoils of war and all, but Iran will not fall until pushed.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:22:00 -
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Liberalism is the will of the people so it happens, thats the beauty of our system, that our policies change with the times the world enters. At the moment we have completed rebuilding after WW2, have come out the other side of the cold war and Eastern Europe being integrated back into Europe after communism.
We have made our bread and eaten it, we now know how our actions can have lasting reactions so are cautious as a society today.
Incidentaly, this just popped up on the BBC.
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