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joshmorris Ravenous Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.30 06:44:00 - [1] These were starting to become a problem with damps around .... now that damps are gone these are gonna be on every ship with a drone bay. Really is gonna be ECM online .... /me clears a space for 2 ECCM Heh another indirect nerf for amarr, not enough mids to have eccm. Uber idea solves all !!
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.30 06:55:00 - [2] Your one of those idiots that keep the in foil hat industry in buisness aren't you?
Pudgy McFudge	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:12:00 - [3] i have been using ecm drones for a while... and they suck... ________________________________________________________________ How can you complain so much about a leisure activity no one forces you to do?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Grimpak on 30/11/2007 07:14:56 "here, let's nerf EVERYTHING and base EVE arround 3 ships: a frigate, a cruiser and a battleship, each with 1 high, 1 med and 1 low. That way we will achieve balance YES!" **** sakes man, ECM drones are not that powerfull, they are damn easy to counter, and with the recent drone shield nerf they will be even easier to kill. edit: oh and if this thread is a troll, shut up. --- planetary interaction idea!
joshmorris Ravenous Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 30/11/2007 07:14:56 "here, let's nerf EVERYTHING and base EVE arround 3 ships: a frigate, a cruiser and a battleship, each with 1 high, 1 med and 1 low. That way we will achieve balance YES!" **** sakes man, ECM drones are not that powerfull, they are damn easy to counter, and with the recent drone shield nerf they will be even easier to kill. edit: oh and if this thread is a troll, shut up. No its not its the truth ..... and yah i know peeps have been useing ecm drones for a while but there just starting to become a I win button. We all know its gonna happen ... ecm drones WILL be overused and will be nerfed. Your forgetting grim that ecm drones sorta jam there targets and with every1 having more drone space for more waves if peeps have them there gonna have there target perma jammed. Back to ECCM you are going to HAVE to have it in a battle to not be perma jammed which just sucks for amarr seens that they have so little mid slots. Why do you have to come out so aggressive when i was pointing something out. Uber idea solves all !!
Hoggs Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:36:00 - [6] Then it's simple. As always, two ships should easily take out one ship with ECM, as he can't effectively jam two ships at once. Just don't leave yourself in a position where someone's gonna ECM gank you.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:37:00 - [7] Originally by: joshmorris Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 30/11/2007 07:14:56 "here, let's nerf EVERYTHING and base EVE arround 3 ships: a frigate, a cruiser and a battleship, each with 1 high, 1 med and 1 low. That way we will achieve balance YES!" **** sakes man, ECM drones are not that powerfull, they are damn easy to counter, and with the recent drone shield nerf they will be even easier to kill. edit: oh and if this thread is a troll, shut up. No its not its the truth ..... and yah i know peeps have been useing ecm drones for a while but there just starting to become a I win button. We all know its gonna happen ... ecm drones WILL be overused and will be nerfed. Your forgetting grim that ecm drones sorta jam there targets and with every1 having more drone space for more waves if peeps have them there gonna have there target perma jammed. Back to ECCM you are going to HAVE to have it in a battle to not be perma jammed which just sucks for amarr seens that they have so little mid slots. Why do you have to come out so aggressive when i was pointing something out. Im amarr,i dont have to pack eccms nor get"pwned"by ecm drones. Please get a clue before ccp nerfs all ewar
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.30 07:45:00 - [8] Originally by: joshmorris Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 30/11/2007 07:14:56 "here, let's nerf EVERYTHING and base EVE arround 3 ships: a frigate, a cruiser and a battleship, each with 1 high, 1 med and 1 low. That way we will achieve balance YES!" **** sakes man, ECM drones are not that powerfull, they are damn easy to counter, and with the recent drone shield nerf they will be even easier to kill. edit: oh and if this thread is a troll, shut up. No its not its the truth ..... and yah i know peeps have been useing ecm drones for a while but there just starting to become a I win button. We all know its gonna happen ... ecm drones WILL be overused and will be nerfed. Your forgetting grim that ecm drones sorta jam there targets and with every1 having more drone space for more waves if peeps have them there gonna have there target perma jammed. Back to ECCM you are going to HAVE to have it in a battle to not be perma jammed which just sucks for amarr seens that they have so little mid slots. Why do you have to come out so aggressive when i was pointing something out. first, please tell me how ECM drones are worse than having a buddy in a falcon or in a rook. second, I'm this agressive cuz I'm tired to see "OMFG X IS OVERPOWERERD! NEURF!" in these threads, when they clrealy don't have a clue. ECM drones have like a 6 second cycle, compared to the 20 sec cycle of ship jammers. you get jammed by 5 of them. tough luck. but you forget that by fielding 5 ECM drones, the guy that it's attacking you is also sacrificing firepower. Being jammed by ECM drones 30% of the times tbh is much better than being jammed by a rook where you will be permajammed 90% of the times --- planetary interaction idea!
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:05:00 - [9] He's probably just upset because he died to someone using ecm drones, and didn't think that killing them would be a good idea.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 08:38:00 - [10] The answer is......because they don't need to be nerfed. TO ALL THE NERF THIS NERF THAT POSTERS I CRAP ON THIS THREAD! recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc

Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:53:00 - [11] I'm not happy with my Amarr ships, please CCP, nerf everyone else to make the game fun for me again!!!!!! _______________
Diomidis Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:57:00 - [12] The person that uses ECM drones sacrifices quite some dps by doing so. If its so "productive" for him, maybe you can be also, and adapt the use of a SMARTBOMB... If ECM drones become standard, so will SMARTBOMBs to counter them...and it works too...it's not chance based So stop whining...start thinking... It's totally different than other so-called "I-WIN" buttons that were nerfed till now.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:02:00 - [13] Funny thread Ecm drones are fine! * * Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig.. - Random Guy123 Phear this sig! - Cortes
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:06:00 - [14] Ecm drones hmm... they are a nice tool, but they are basically not very usefull in all situations... I killed a brutix using ecm drones the other day... he got 3 jams - that could have gone wrong actually, but maybe I was just lucky? I've also tried 3 bc vs a gank temp... 10 medium ecm drones and I sincerely doubt we made a single jam - that fight did go fast though Its a tricky topic... BUT using ecm drones takes away some of your damage potential... - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:06:00 - [15] Before complaining, you should try them yourself with a buddy. In a 2 Minute fight vs. a battleship you may get your opponent jammed 1 or 2 times, and thats for sacrificing 150 DPS you could get from Hammerhead II's. Do the maths yourself, because right now I cba to do this for you, but fielding Hammerheads usually is the better tradeoff. . My postings in these forums do not necessarily represent my corp or alliance.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Cailais on 30/11/2007 11:28:31 1. I don't think damps are 'gone' they're still pretty useful even with scripts. 2. ECM drones have been around for ages, they'll be more of the because a nuber of ships have larger drone bays now and so can afford to carry them. 3. The only thing Id like to see for ECM drones is a change from a flat out % chance base, to being applied against a targets sensor strength - that way ECCM modules could be a useful counter (currently I dont believe ECCM has any effect, might be wrong though..). C. Quick edit- there's a ECCM low slot module, so Amarr will be fine. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:34:00 - [17] They're really nice to have in ships that can carry multiple waves of drones (read droneboats) but especially those will loose a big part of their damage when fielding them. Its basically not too different from fitting smaller guns to improve your tank, sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not.
Raekone	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:42:00 - [18] Speaking of which, I have a question about ECM drones... are the T2 ones worth training for, do you, in a nutshell, get more jams? For it to be worth it I mean.
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:47:00 - [19] Edited by: General Coochie on 30/11/2007 11:53:06 Originally by: joshmorris These were starting to become a problem with damps around .... now that damps are gone these are gonna be on every ship with a drone bay. Really is gonna be ECM online .... /me clears a space for 2 ECCM Heh another indirect nerf for amarr, not enough mids to have eccm. If you bothered to fit a counter on your ship you wouldn't have that problem. Why is everything supposed to get nerfed that shortsighted ppl like yourself don't wanna spend even 30 seconds thinking about how to counter. Fit ECCM Fit a smartbomb problem solved. Yes I know it cuts down your dps. Eve is in the end only gonna be about dps only when all you whiners had it your way. Why is it so hard for you thinking outside the box? Are you mindless zombies that only can fit a web and mwd and guns in high like ppl tell you to? Or are you simply do dumb to understand that there are already tools for you to handle these obstacles? edit: I crap on this thread -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sig originally by Kel Solaar Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:14:00 - [20] Oh ffs...shaddup. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright

Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.11.30 12:41:00 - [21] the reason they werent nerfed is because they don't need to be nerfed...... k thanks bye and no it's not an indirect nerf to amarr, amarr have never had enough mids for eccm now we don't have to worry about damps as much AND we can still use ecm drones how's it a nerf to amarr NOT to change somethin that we can use that makes up for the lack of mid slots? ecm from the drones mwd scram web cap booster (we've normally run out of slots by now anyway)
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:11:00 - [22] So you want to nerf the one remaining truly effective Ewar drone, just because you lost to somebody using them? And even then, it's a big tradeoff-you lose a lot of DPS to use them.
Jupiter Sun	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:17:00 - [23] Originally by: joshmorris These were starting to become a problem with damps around .... now that damps are gone these are gonna be on every ship with a drone bay. Really is gonna be ECM online .... /me clears a space for 2 ECCM Heh another indirect nerf for amarr, not enough mids to have eccm. actually eccm (sensor backups) go in the lows...ooh!
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:23:00 - [24] Because... they don't need one .
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:40:00 - [25] ECM drones are so not imba kill 2 of them no prob and 3 are no worry. most ships can use a batch of EC-600, if you don't like them then start using them. The only ships that lose out on the EC's are drone ships them selfs, but drone DPS does continue threw jamming so it's not all bad. Or low/no drone bay ships, but these tend to be the ones that can out-run drones or easyly kill them like a drake.
Boomhaur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 30/11/2007 07:14:56 "here, let's nerf EVERYTHING and base EVE arround 3 ships: a frigate, a cruiser and a battleship, each with 1 high, 1 med and 1 low. That way we will achieve balance YES!" Sorry man we can't do that the Caldari will come out on top AGAIN with its awesome passive tanks with the ability to dedicate it's med/low slots to tank. And even if they didn't they still have that one low slot for a BCU so they be able to out damage us all. So truely we need to nerf the Caldari if we go that route . Definition of Minmatar, former slaves who built ships from duct tape and scraps of rusted metal, who rose up against their master's and emerged victorious. And further proof the Ammar suck.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:47:00 - [27] Originally by: joshmorris These were starting to become a problem with damps around .... now that damps are gone these are gonna be on every ship with a drone bay. Really is gonna be ECM online .... /me clears a space for 2 ECCM Heh another indirect nerf for amarr, not enough mids to have eccm. STFU _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:55:00 - [28] Originally by: General Coochie Fit ECCM ECM drones dont really take into account for ECCM maybe not even the ships sensor strength for that matter. ECM drones are made of wet tissue paper though, sicking combat drones on them does the trick.
Hunter Hughes Caldari Multiversal Enterprise Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:03:00 - [29] actually ecm drones are still to effective in my opinion... dont get me wrong i love to use them when i fly astartes and such but medium ecm drones should NOT be able to perma-jam megathrons. For example, yesterday i was attacked by a harbinger and tempest, which is usually 2 easy kills for a nuetron mega, but the tempest's MEDIUM ecm drones kept me perma-jammed till i was at 15% armor. I was then able to vaporize the harby and warp off but the point is that medium drones should NOT be that effective against battleships... Heavys should though. Originally by: GinoShin Edited by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:04:00 - [30] How about we just nerf everything that works in the game, break every god damn ship, and them all become miners? ***********gots.

Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Hunter Hughes actually ecm drones are still to effective in my opinion... dont get me wrong i love to use them when i fly astartes and such but medium ecm drones should NOT be able to perma-jam megathrons. For example, yesterday i was attacked by a harbinger and tempest, which is usually 2 easy kills for a nuetron mega, but the tempest's MEDIUM ecm drones kept me perma-jammed till i was at 15% armor. I was then able to vaporize the harby and warp off but the point is that medium drones should NOT be that effective against battleships... Heavys should though. Maybe a Habringer and a Tempest shouldn't be two easy kills for a Mega either. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Hunter Hughes Caldari Multiversal Enterprise Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:14:00 - [32] Edited by: Hunter Hughes on 30/11/2007 16:16:30 Originally by: Kuzya Morozov How about we just nerf everything that works in the game, break every god damn ship, and them all become miners? *********gots. Look just cause you arent bein helpful doesnt mean you have to be an ass. Like i said, i like them but i think they need to be adjusted just a bit cause they shouldnt be able to jam battleships for over 4 min straight. Drek i would agree with that but the tempest piolet should just fit mass dmg and plate it also... then it would be a good fight. It's just that no-one does. Also, the tempest is more of a fleet ship then a solo pwn mobile like a mega. (which blows in fleet battles) Originally by:** GinoShin Edited by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Hunter Hughes Originally by: Kuzya Morozov How about we just nerf everything that works in the game, break every god damn ship, and them all become miners? ***********gots. Look just cause you arent bein helpful doesnt mean you have to be an ass. Like i said, i like them but i think they need to be adjusted just a bit cause they shouldnt be able to jam battleships for over 4 min straight. Then what's their use? Seriously, any module/item thats effective at all has to get nerfed now? It's because of Caldari players like you that we are getting the coming nerfs in Trinity, people like you should form squads so you can whine together in threads. And ECM drones do not jam battleships for over 4 minutes, I don't know what game you are playing, I've been able to cyclejam a BC for a single time and I've been using them forever.
Iota Belisarius Ion Corp. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Hunter Hughes a solo pwn mobile like a mega. (which blows in fleet battles) ROFL. Who the hell are YOU trying to kid? The mega is what, the most used BS in pvp EVARRR? Fleet or otherwise. --------------------- Your sig is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting. -Tirg Sig jacked and nerfed in one day, just my luck.
Hunter Hughes Caldari Multiversal Enterprise Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: Hunter Hughes Originally by: Kuzya Morozov How about we just nerf everything that works in the game, break every god damn ship, and them all become miners? *********gots. Look just cause you arent bein helpful doesnt mean you have to be an ass. Like i said, i like them but i think they need to be adjusted just a bit cause they shouldnt be able to jam battleships for over 4 min straight. Then what's their use? Seriously, any module/item thats effective at all has to get nerfed now? It's because of Caldari players like you that we are getting the coming nerfs in Trinity, people like you should form squads so you can whine together in threads. And ECM drones do not jam battleships for over 4 minutes, I don't know what game you are playing, I've been able to cyclejam a BC for a single time and I've been using them forever. 1. I only fly gallente. 2. I have a fraps to prove that i was cycle jammed by medium ecm drones for almost 4 minutes. And i have other frapses where i have done it to battleships with my astarte's ecm drones. (for up to 3 min) Originally by:** GinoShin Edited by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Hunter Hughes Caldari Multiversal Enterprise Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Iota Belisarius Originally by: Hunter Hughes a solo pwn mobile like a mega. (which blows in fleet battles) ROFL. Who the hell are YOU trying to kid? The mega is what, the most used BS in pvp EVARRR? Fleet or otherwise. ...I guess blows isnt the right word but maybe closer to not as good. Was just tryin to make my point. Originally by: GinoShin Edited by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Hunter Hughes Originally by: Iota Belisarius Originally by: Hunter Hughes a solo pwn mobile like a mega. (which blows in fleet battles) ROFL. Who the hell are YOU trying to kid? The mega is what, the most used BS in pvp EVARRR? Fleet or otherwise. ...I guess blows isnt the right word but maybe closer to not as good. Was just tryin to make my point. You understand that it is the MOST USED BS IN FLEET BATTLES?That kinda nullifies your arguement...
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Hunter Hughes Also, the tempest is more of a fleet ship then a solo pwn mobile like a mega. (which blows in fleet battles) and this, gentleman, is why I think that whiners don't know what they are talking about. --- planetary interaction idea!
Tammarr Trident RMBK	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:24:00 - [39] Originally by: Rastigan Originally by: General Coochie Fit ECCM ECM drones dont really take into account for ECCM maybe not even the ships sensor strength for that matter. ECM drones are made of wet tissue paper though, sicking combat drones on them does the trick. ECM drones have a strength just as ECM jammers. ECCM works very well. Or maybe I'am just insanley lucky that the ecm drones fail all the time when I have the eccm and get a cycle in now and then when I dont? hint: You need to turn the ECCM module on. Nerfing carriers and most everything nice for a t2 freighter that should be tier 2 isnt balancing ccp :(
Nhi'Khuna e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:22:00 - [40] Yeah umn, ECM drones can be useful in certain situations but they are by no means something that requires a nerf... Ever try jamming someone with a hold full of EC-600 drones? Definitely not garunteed a jam. Also, consider that your sacrificing a considerable amount of firepower by chucking out EC drones versus damage dealing drones. Dear lord, do folks even think before they post requesting a nerf?

Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Nhi'Khuna Dear lord, do folks even think before they post requesting a nerf? No. They've had it used against them a couple of times and "FRAPSED IT LULZ", so it deserves a nerf.
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:45:00 - [42] I return to this thread only to crap on it again. cause that what it deserves. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sig originally by Kel Solaar Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:51:00 - [43] Originally by: General Coochie I return to this thread only to crap on it again. cause that what it deserves. QFT ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:54:00 - [44] Originally by: General Coochie I return to this thread only to crap on it again. cause that what it deserves. I like this guy. á ============================================
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:20:00 - [45] In my various tests of ECM drones in combat against various BCs and BSs, I have managed to get maybe 5 or 6 jam cycles out of about 100 attempts. Based on MY anecdotal evidence they MUST need a boost! YARR! They are fine as is. Stop whining about them.
No Wai	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:58:00 - [46] ECM drones really are overpowered. I wish we had a ship based AOE weapon to use against them, and that they'd have low HP...


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