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Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:38:00 - [1] I don't think most people hate WoW, they hate people who expect or want EVE to be WoW (or worse, think EVE is WoW). Note, for instance, that the saying is 'go back to WoW' not 'WoW should not exist'. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:03:00 - [2] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Note, for instance, that the saying is 'go back to WoW' not 'WoW should not exist'. but implicit in that is Eve is somehow superior to WoW. Perhaps, but that is relevant to neither the saying nor the topic at hand. Originally by: ry ry not liking a game is fine. hell, i don't like The Witcher much, although i'm assured it's actually brilliant. why on earth would i go round shouting "go play The Witcher, noob!"? that would just be retarded. Yes, but it's also completely irrelevant, since my entire point is people say gb2/WoW based on the person, not the game. Originally by: ry ry as for 'being part of it', you must have more hand in galactic events than me, because every time i email goonswarm and demand their unconditional surrender i'm generally ignored. Being part of != being in control of. If you want to be the center of attention, I suggest you go back to single player games. Or possibly WoW. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Rialtor text This. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Rialtor Do some people openly criticize WoW? Yes, the game has insane success and the game itself is mediocre at best. i am yet to see ONE solid argument backing this up. WoW is a graphically horrible grind to a fixed level set in one of the most cliched style of environments known to modern videogames. This is not a bad thing. WoW does not do it badly, given its success I would say it is probably the best at what it does. However, something that is good at being mediocre is still mediocre. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:12:00 - [5] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry as for 'being part of it', you must have more hand in galactic events than me, because every time i email goonswarm and demand their unconditional surrender i'm generally ignored. Being part of != being in control of. If you want to be the center of attention, I suggest you go back to single player games. Or possibly WoW. who said anything about being the center of attention? when people talk of 'being part of eve', what are they actually saying? That they have an impact on the overall world. Which they do. Everyone does. Doesn't mean they are the center of attention though, just that they contribute to a dynamic persistent world. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 13:36:00 - [6] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry as for 'being part of it', you must have more hand in galactic events than me, because every time i email goonswarm and demand their unconditional surrender i'm generally ignored. Being part of != being in control of. If you want to be the center of attention, I suggest you go back to single player games. Or possibly WoW. who said anything about being the center of attention? when people talk of 'being part of eve', what are they actually saying? That they have an impact on the overall world. Which they do. Everyone does. Doesn't mean they are the center of attention though, just that they contribute to a dynamic persistent world. which is the same as virtually any persistent world. wow included. I've been through this before in another thread and the answer is no, not in WoW. I'm not going to get into again, because if you need someone to explain the difference between the sandbox and the themepark to you, you won't understand anyway. (i.e., if you have to ask you'll never know) - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:00:00 - [7] Originally by: ry ry We all know Eve is full of near-endless possibilities, that's it's selling point. hilariously in practice people only experience a very shallow pool of the much vaunted sandbox gameplay. to all intents and purposes, the average Eve player is following exactly the same gameplay cycle they would in any other MMO. how is running COSMOS missions, or logging in to hunt ratters for a couple of hours somehow a deeper experience than completing NPC quests or logging in to hunt NPCers for a couple of hours in WoW? Your attempt at an argument is flailing around, I'm not sure if this is an intentional straw man or just a lack of coherence on your part. Your original post was that WoW and EVE have equivalent persistent worlds, the 'rewrite' refers to individual game mechanics. But, I'll go along with it. Individual game mechanics are no better in EVE than they are in WoW. Anyone who argues otherwise is mixing up an intrinsic preference for Internet Spaceships over Internet Cliches with an objective context-insensitive analysis of the mechanics. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:17:00 - [8] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 03/12/2007 15:17:22 Originally by: ry ry 'objective context-insensitive analysis of the mechanics' indeed :D so assuming you agree that actually playing either game is a very similar process, where exactly are we all getting this warm fuzzy glow of being 'part of something' above and beyond the traditional MMO dynamic. Because of the greater freedom the game allows in the overall context. Going and shooting a guy who is ratting is the same mechanic as WoW, and going to fight an enemy fleet is the same mechanic as WoW. The outcome differs hugely though. In WoW the objectives are either static ones given by the game, or just playing for fun. EVE allows for an emergent structure within which players can assign themselves goals based on that structure. Fleet battles and POS spam aren't much fun (or so I hear). Building an empire and defending it, that the fun. That is the freedom that people dislike WoW for not having. Of course, EVE doesn't force you to take advantage of it, you can just mission your entire EVE career, if it was forced on you it wouldn't really be freedom. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 16:08:00 - [9] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Crumplecorn I've never played WoW myself which makes all this rather redundant, doesn't it. Not really. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.

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