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Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Syrec Edited by: Syrec on 30/11/2007 18:46:37 He didn't lose his ship. OP: you might try a bigger ship and fitting extenders / plates. A battleship works well, a passive drake even better. You'll go slower but you're bargaining CONCORD time by adding HP, effectively increasing the ISK value and skillpoints in ships needed to attack your cargo, making the payoff to the attackers less profitable and much more risky. I almost did do it in a drake, but I wanted it to go a bit faster and didn't feel like stripping modules and gathering crap for a fully passive tank (active hardeners de-activate on jump!). Doing some mafs, it looks like my frig's shield soaked 1358.4 damage. They would have got me into armor if they'd both struck simultaneously. But it still wouldn't have been a kill, even if I hadn't been at the keyboard. In fact, if I hadn't come back when I did, I probably never would have realized I'd gotten attacked because the Ferox never would have gotten a shot off (my ship was almost to the gate before I took control). -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.11.30 19:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Syrec Edited by: Syrec on 30/11/2007 18:46:37 He didn't lose his ship. OP: you might try a bigger ship and fitting extenders / plates. A battleship works well, a passive drake even better. You'll go slower but you're bargaining CONCORD time by adding HP, effectively increasing the ISK value and skillpoints in ships needed to attack your cargo, making the payoff to the attackers less profitable and much more risky. I almost did do it in a drake, but I wanted it to go a bit faster and didn't feel like stripping modules and gathering crap for a fully passive tank (active hardeners de-activate on jump!). Doing some mafs, it looks like my frig's shield soaked 1358.4 damage. They would have got me into armor if they'd both struck simultaneously. But it still wouldn't have been a kill, even if I hadn't been at the keyboard. In fact, if I hadn't come back when I did, I probably never would have realized I'd gotten attacked because the Ferox never would have gotten a shot off (my ship was almost to the gate before I took control). Sound like amateurs. I probably could of got ya in my ~8mil suicide vexor setup. What I'm curious about is what looked so tempting to them but was less than 100mil. Hauling around a bunch of rig bpo's and a few datacores or something? ---- WSSH
Kolwrath Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Roy Batty68 What I'm curious about is what looked so tempting to them but was less than 100mil. Hauling around a bunch of rig bpo's and a few datacores or something? Same here. OP what were you moving that provoked the attack? Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Kolwrath Originally by: Roy Batty68 What I'm curious about is what looked so tempting to them but was less than 100mil. Hauling around a bunch of rig bpo's and a few datacores or something? Same here. OP what were you moving that provoked the attack? Like I'm gonna tell you guys that! You actually think I'm smart enough to take all the precautions I did, yet dumb enough to tell the whole world what I was moving? Actually upon doing some more mafs, what I was hauling was worth about 120M. Thinking about it I prolly would have suicided me too. I think that should be the litmus test: If you'd suicide yourself hauling that, your hauling strategy is full of fail. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:46:00 - [35] Oh, and just in one of my forum "fans" are watching this and are eagerly planning to gank me in empire hauling fat loots, I really was flying in an alt. Xaen isn't used for mere hauling. And if I were going to use Xaen to haul small expensive stuff it would probably be in a Vagabond or Rapier. So go ahead and try ganking those, it'll be fun! -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Xaen Oh, and just in one of my forum "fans" are watching this and are eagerly planning to gank me in empire hauling fat loots, I really was flying in an alt. Xaen isn't used for mere hauling. And if I were going to use Xaen to haul small expensive stuff it would probably be in a Vagabond or Rapier. So go ahead and try ganking those, it'll be fun! Or maybe that's just what you'd want us to think! ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Xaen Oh, and just in one of my forum "fans" are watching this and are eagerly planning to gank me in empire hauling fat loots, I really was flying in an alt. Xaen isn't used for mere hauling. And if I were going to use Xaen to haul small expensive stuff it would probably be in a Vagabond or Rapier. So go ahead and try ganking those, it'll be fun! Or maybe that's just what you'd want us to think! Or maybe both. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:28:00 - [38] I think we can see it this way: the OP killed a Manticore and a Ferox with a T1 frigate and survived. Sad he will not get a killmail, it would have been awesome.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:18:00 - [39] What I'd like to know... is WTF you were hauling that prompted those fools to throw some 12-ish mil out the window on suicide ships just for a single T1 frigate???
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Venkul Mul I think we can see it this way: the OP killed a Manticore and a Ferox with a T1 frigate and survived. Sad he will not get a killmail, it would have been awesome. Oh man. Now you're giving me ideas. Super-tanked passive drake carrying a few billion....I could not only rack up ~~kills~~ victims of circumstance, but probably bring Jita to it's knees with all the CONCORDOKKEN action. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:29:00 - [41] Edited by: Tarminic on 30/11/2007 22:30:32 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Venkul Mul I think we can see it this way: the OP killed a Manticore and a Ferox with a T1 frigate and survived. Sad he will not get a killmail, it would have been awesome. Oh man. Now you're giving me ideas. Super-tanked passive drake carrying a few billion....I could not only rack up ~~kills~~ victims of circumstance, but probably bring Jita to it's knees with all the CONCORDOKKEN action. That sounds like great fun. Even better! A poorly passive-tanked Drake, but with three buddies in logistics ships locked on you (50KM away, of course). ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Mister Xerox What I'd like to know... is WTF you were hauling that prompted those fools to throw some 12-ish mil out the window on suicide ships just for a single T1 frigate??? I don't know why you seem surprised that expensive stuff can be carried in something other than a hauler. I saw a killmail of some poor guy that was carrying fifty one copies of Capital Ships in a shuttle that got blow'd up. Something like a 17BN loss. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 30/11/2007 22:30:32 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Venkul Mul I think we can see it this way: the OP killed a Manticore and a Ferox with a T1 frigate and survived. Sad he will not get a killmail, it would have been awesome. Oh man. Now you're giving me ideas. Super-tanked passive drake carrying a few billion....I could not only rack up ~~kills~~ victims of circumstance, but probably bring Jita to it's knees with all the CONCORDOKKEN action. That sounds like great fun. Even better! A poorly passive-tanked Drake, but with three buddies in logistics ships locked on you (50KM away, of course). I thought of that, but I typically fly solo, so I went without. I've heard that two logistics ships repping each other could AFKtank several ravens. The implications of this are.....interesting. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Xaen I've heard that two logistics ships repping each other could AFKtank several ravens. The implications of this are.....interesting. 6 X Basilisks, all with the following setups: High: 6 Medium Shield Transfer Arrays Medium: 4 Hardeners, 1 Sensor Booster, 1 ECCM Low: 2 x Cap Power Relays Drone Bay: 5 T2 light drones Roam around low-sec and see what happens to anyone that messes with you. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 30/11/2007 22:30:32 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Venkul Mul I think we can see it this way: the OP killed a Manticore and a Ferox with a T1 frigate and survived. Sad he will not get a killmail, it would have been awesome. Oh man. Now you're giving me ideas. Super-tanked passive drake carrying a few billion....I could not only rack up ~~kills~~ victims of circumstance, but probably bring Jita to it's knees with all the CONCORDOKKEN action. That sounds like great fun. Even better! A poorly passive-tanked Drake, but with three buddies in logistics ships locked on you (50KM away, of course). Do you think anyone would even try to gank a Drake? I can see a t1 frigate, they should pop quick (normally) glad the OP did not... Haulers 1, gankers 0... this time. Where is the thread from the Manticore and Ferox pilots blaming CCP for their ship loss? --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Tarminic 6 X Basilisks, all with the following setups: High: 6 Medium Shield Transfer Arrays Medium: 4 Hardeners, 1 Sensor Booster, 1 ECCM Low: 2 x Cap Power Relays Drone Bay: 5 T2 light drones Roam around low-sec and see what happens to anyone that messes with you. The key to breaking this type of circle jerk is ECM/damps, btw. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
justinalt	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:24:00 - [47] Im baffled as to how a T1 frigate survived a salvo from a manti? I guess 1st mistake was EM instead of Kinetic missles, but still. Manti driver deserved to die.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:09:00 - [48] Originally by: justinalt Im baffled as to how a T1 frigate survived a salvo from a manti? I guess 1st mistake was EM instead of Kinetic missles, but still. Manti driver deserved to die. Not surprised at all. If the frigate was at a good speed, and one with a small enough signature radius, a cruise missle won't do squat for damage. Needs a couple target painters to get good effect. I mean, a Slasher only has a sig radius of 30m and should be doing around 750ms with lame skills and an afterburner. Base stats for a Caldari Navy Devastator is 300m explosion radius and 500m/s explosion velocity. Even with good skills, you're not going to get those good enough to hit a small frigate very hard. I personally prefer a slasher shield extenders and overdrives for afk frigate-hauling. Dirt cheap and almost impossible to catch. Or if you're hauling blueprints in empire it's hard to beat shuttles really. ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Siege Originally by: justinalt Im baffled as to how a T1 frigate survived a salvo from a manti? I guess 1st mistake was EM instead of Kinetic missles, but still. Manti driver deserved to die. Not surprised at all. If the frigate was at a good speed, and one with a small enough signature radius, a cruise missle won't do squat for damage. Needs a couple target painters to get good effect. I mean, a Slasher only has a sig radius of 30m and should be doing around 750ms with lame skills and an afterburner. Base stats for a Caldari Navy Devastator is 300m explosion radius and 500m/s explosion velocity. Even with good skills, you're not going to get those good enough to hit a small frigate very hard. I personally prefer a slasher shield extenders and overdrives for afk frigate-hauling. Dirt cheap and almost impossible to catch. Or if you're hauling blueprints in empire it's hard to beat shuttles really. A mantiore has that big ole explosion radius reduction. At SB 4, that's a base of 100M: with GMP 4 that's 80M. At 5/5 that's an explosion radius of 37.5M if my midnight beer maths is correct. (-83.3% = 50M, -25% of that = 37.5M... that last level of covops skill is the killer for small targets) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Jade190	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:43:00 - [50] Originally by: N1fty I wish more people would think about adapting their strategies rather than expecting ccp to keep things balanced. Can we make this man (or woman) head of CCP? Please? FOR THE LOVE GOD DO IT!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Tarminic 6 X Basilisks, all with the following setups: High: 6 Medium Shield Transfer Arrays Medium: 4 Hardeners, 1 Sensor Booster, 1 ECCM Low: 2 x Cap Power Relays Drone Bay: 5 T2 light drones Roam around low-sec and see what happens to anyone that messes with you. The key to breaking this type of circle jerk is ECM/damps, btw. Thus you the Sensor Booster + ECCM + stay very close to each other. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.01 03:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Siege Not surprised at all. If the frigate was at a good speed, and one with a small enough signature radius, a cruise missle won't do squat for damage. Needs a couple target painters to get good effect. I mean, a Slasher only has a sig radius of 30m and should be doing around 750ms with lame skills and an afterburner. Base stats for a Caldari Navy Devastator is 300m explosion radius and 500m/s explosion velocity. Even with good skills, you're not going to get those good enough to hit a small frigate very hard. I personally prefer a slasher shield extenders and overdrives for afk frigate-hauling. Dirt cheap and almost impossible to catch. Or if you're hauling blueprints in empire it's hard to beat shuttles really. Have you any idea what a manticore is? For the record, the EM missile did 625.0 dmg. The Devastators both did 250.0. What ever small gun he had fitted did 10.9 and 7.7 to shields. All this in the space of 4 seconds. He knew what he was doing. The first to hit was EM, the second and third were explosive. I don't believe this was a coincidence. If I hadn't been wearing a medium shield extender, I'd have been toast. Like 400 damage past 0 structure. What he wasn't expecting was for my shield to soak up his entire first volley. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.01 03:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Tarminic Wait, you mean there are things you can do to prevent suicide ganking?? MY GODS! That's just a vicious rumor.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:43:00 - [54] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 01/12/2007 06:44:59 Originally by: Crumplecorn This thread separates those who flame truly unworthy posts from those who regurgitate flames based on the title alone. I was so tempted to post the obligatory flame anyway, even though I read the whine er post edit: read the second page, it would have to be a decloaking Drake (see Crime and Punishment for Details, or ask plunderbunny for the "tail" Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 30/11/2007 22:30:32 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Venkul Mul I think we can see it this way: the OP killed a Manticore and a Ferox with a T1 frigate and survived. Sad he will not get a killmail, it would have been awesome. Oh man. Now you're giving me ideas. Super-tanked passive drake carrying a few billion....I could not only rack up ~~kills~~ victims of circumstance, but probably bring Jita to it's knees with all the CONCORDOKKEN action. That sounds like great fun. Even better! A poorly passive-tanked Drake, but with three buddies in logistics ships locked on you (50KM away, of course). There is a even better version: move some of the T2 invention BPC. From what I know the ship scanner don't recognize the difference between BPC and BPO so the high sec ganker will attack hoping for Originals, but even if they get something it will be only a BPC worth at best 10 millions, while they were hoping for a BPO worth some billion.

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