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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2771
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:11:00 -
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Here's an analysis of the upcoming election.
Quote:What does all of this mean? In the era of the 24/7 Skype-wired CSM, the distinction between alts and mains is a relic, so its abandonment is merely recognition of the status quo. The new like-based nomination process will weed out many hopeless candidates, which is significant; past elections had a number of players throw their hats into the ring with no hope of actually getting elected, creating a long and cumbersome ballot. However, there is a substantial risk that an organized bloc will mass-vote weaker candidates past the 100-like-mark to clog the ballot; even a single well-organized corp could do this on a lark and nominate every hopeful. Future elections will almost certainly require a more strict nomination process to be effective.
The fact that only the top seven candidates will attend summits directly increases the power of the most organized player entities, namely the nullsec blocs and Eve University. Only these groups have the power to reliably get more than 2240 votes, the minimum needed to get the seventh slot in the CSM6 contest. A tidier ballot means less wasted votes, further raising the bar to reach the top seven, not to mention the greater expected overall turnout after the performance of CSM6. Grassroots candidates and niche constituencies (wormholers, faction warfare, roleplayers, etc) are likely to fill out the bottom seven slots, but the critical lobbying opportunities of visiting Reykjavik in the flesh will likely be held by the nullsec barons, something that Trebor Daehdoow of CSM6 noted in a recent blog.
no pollyannas zone, all realtalk The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
571
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:18:00 -
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How are you such a good poster? Teach me your ways. |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
436
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:29:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:How are you such a good poster? Teach me your ways.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
(Leave TEST)
Posting time! Come on, grab your friends. We'll go to very distant lands. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
571
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:30:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:How are you such a good poster? Teach me your ways. You must unlearn what you have learned. (Leave TEST)
But TEST has taught me to master the badpost! These things are not mutually exclusive. |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
436
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:34:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:How are you such a good poster? Teach me your ways. You must unlearn what you have learned. (Leave TEST) But TEST has taught me to master the badpost! These things are not mutually exclusive.
The secret is to badpost on the EVE forums and goodpost everywhere else.
Posting time! Come on, grab your friends. We'll go to very distant lands. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:56:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:The secret is to badpost on the EVE forums and goodpost everywhere else. Consider all the badposting on the EVE-O forums. Perhaps this is not such a great secret?
Quote:However, there is a substantial risk that an organized bloc will mass-vote weaker candidates past the 100-like-mark to clog the ballot; even a single well-organized corp could do this on a lark and nominate every hopeful. Can we do this? It would be really great, there are many amazing hisec candidates that really do deserve those 100 likes! |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
239
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:24:00 -
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Does a bad post thought enter the head right before a pod explosion or right after the pod explosion? Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
436
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Consider all the badposting on the EVE-O forums. Perhaps this is not such a great secret?
Unless I'm mistaken, this is the only posting most of them do.
Posting time! Come on, grab your friends. We'll go to very distant lands. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
239
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:The secret is to badpost on the EVE forums and goodpost everywhere else. Consider all the badposting on the EVE-O forums. Perhaps this is not such a great secret? Quote:However, there is a substantial risk that an organized bloc will mass-vote weaker candidates past the 100-like-mark to clog the ballot; even a single well-organized corp could do this on a lark and nominate every hopeful. Can we do this? It would be really great, there are many amazing hisec candidates that really do deserve those 100 likes!
Of course you can do that, just find another 99 people and promise them they can skip the be scammed by goons phase, and head straight to the be phased out and ignored phase. Pretty good tempting reward I think so, for helping you jip jive elections. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:37:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Of course you can do that, just find another 99 people and promise them they can skip the be scammed by goons phase, and head straight to the be phased out and ignored phase. Pretty good tempting reward I think so, for helping you jip jive elections. What's this scamming you refer to? You mean the SPAIhunts, cause there's a ton of SPAIS here.
I was referring to just getting the hivemind to like all the hisec candidates. Likes on the forum are easy after all. Press butan.
Oh wait, I mean that'll teach us! If only we were able to block them from getting those 100 likes, but I'm sure the amazing forum users will make sure they flood the field with their candidates ... |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
618
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:51:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Here's an analysis of the upcoming election.Quote:What does all of this mean? In the era of the 24/7 Skype-wired CSM, the distinction between alts and mains is a relic, so its abandonment is merely recognition of the status quo. The new like-based nomination process will weed out many hopeless candidates, which is significant; past elections had a number of players throw their hats into the ring with no hope of actually getting elected, creating a long and cumbersome ballot. However, there is a substantial risk that an organized bloc will mass-vote weaker candidates past the 100-like-mark to clog the ballot; even a single well-organized corp could do this on a lark and nominate every hopeful. Future elections will almost certainly require a more strict nomination process to be effective.
The fact that only the top seven candidates will attend summits directly increases the power of the most organized player entities, namely the nullsec blocs and Eve University. Only these groups have the power to reliably get more than 2240 votes, the minimum needed to get the seventh slot in the CSM6 contest. A tidier ballot means less wasted votes, further raising the bar to reach the top seven, not to mention the greater expected overall turnout after the performance of CSM6. Grassroots candidates and niche constituencies (wormholers, faction warfare, roleplayers, etc) are likely to fill out the bottom seven slots, but the critical lobbying opportunities of visiting Reykjavik in the flesh will likely be held by the nullsec barons, something that Trebor Daehdoow of CSM6 noted in a recent blog. no pollyannas zone, all realtalk
I can't disagree with anything said. The only question in my mind is how much the CSM 6 got the attention of the unaligned high sec pilots. And if they suddenly find themselves feeling the need to get interested in the outcome of the CSM 7 elections if they can "get their shite together" and pull behind a small enough number of candidates to get someone that represents them in the top 7.
That will be a long shot for sure as the powerblocks start out with a huge organizational advantage.
It looks (I hope) to be a very interesting election!
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
239
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:12:00 -
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Alavaria, one of the most trusted and held close paranoid theory on the forums is that the goons create alot of candidates which will force the players votes to be spread thin. The goons of course dont fall for this, then come in with a strong vote and easily win the election, or other null sec blocks.
The like system was suppose to just create a few candidates, then those few candidates would have to work really hard to win votes, A good election would be the outcome. But now goons can create a 100 candidates and then they dont have to work hard for votes, a bad election will be the outcome.
As for scamming it is legal in the game, but goons have a notorious rep for it, and take more then a legal glee in performing scams. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
436
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:14:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:The secret is to badpost on the EVE forums and goodpost everywhere else. Consider all the badposting on the EVE-O forums. Perhaps this is not such a great secret? Quote:However, there is a substantial risk that an organized bloc will mass-vote weaker candidates past the 100-like-mark to clog the ballot; even a single well-organized corp could do this on a lark and nominate every hopeful. Can we do this? It would be really great, there are many amazing hisec candidates that really do deserve those 100 likes! Of course you can do that, just find another 99 people and promise them they can skip the be scammed by goons phase, and head straight to the be phased out and ignored phase. Pretty good tempting reward I think so, for helping you jip jive elections.
Goons don't scam.
I just got in today. I paid my security deposit and processing fees just like everyone else. It took a few weeks but once the check was done, I got all of my ISK back and now all of my possessions are on a jump freighter to VFK. You don't get to be a 3300 player corporation by never letting anyone in.
Most people can't stand the background check and subsequent wait and end up calling it a scam, at which point they have failed the test and forfeited their ISK.
Can YOU make it in?
Posting time! Come on, grab your friends. We'll go to very distant lands. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:15:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Alavaria, one of the most trusted and held close paranoid theory on the forums is that the goons create alot of candidates which will force the players votes to be spread thin. The goons of course dont fall for this, then come in with a strong vote and easily win the election, or other null sec blocks. I haven't heard it, so I guess it is indeed held close. But surely all the candidates running about are popping up naturally? They might only need a bit of help if they somehow can't get the 100 likes the deserve...
rodyas wrote:The like system was suppose to just create a few candidates, then those few candidates would have to work really hard to win votes, A good election would be the outcome. But now goons can create a 100 candidates and then they dont have to work hard for votes, a bad election will be the outcome. Depends on what you consider bad, of course.
People who love the Mittani's goodposting will be overjoyed to read his updates in the extremely favorable case that he gets another round promoting our heartfelt love for EVE on the next CSM.
EVE Online:Killmails are like love letters |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
240
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:21:00 -
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He could offer good meta gaming by taking the 100 likes route, not sure about good posting will be upheld with that route. Maybe it can, maybe he can do good posts while good meta gaming.
EDIT: on the part about what candidates deserve, that is a bit lackluster area, hilmar has cut 20% of the company as well as promised no more big adventures for us. So the candidates should not go into the race expecting bigs things will happen or so. Reading the mittani's post he is asking vile rat to step down over it and I imagine all those little cute candidates are gonna have to bite a similar bullet. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:38:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Reading the mittani's post he is asking vile rat to step down over it and I imagine all those little cute candidates are gonna have to bite a similar bullet. I'm pretty sure Vile Rat didn't want to run. At least that's what I heard.
If by cute candidates you mean the highsec ones, well I don't think they would follow the Mittani's orders. We would be better off if they did, but alas life is never so easy. One needs must work to obtain explosions. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
241
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:56:00 -
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He is indeed vile then for not wanting to run again. But anyhow good luck getting hi seccerers to like you in order for them to go to low and null to be blown up. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
222
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:10:00 -
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My own personal intuition is that EVE is going to be alright for a while and so the current CSM is right in the short term, but in the long term, EVE is going to take a deadly blow whenever someone realizes that CCP abandoned a market niche they used to hold for years. |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:50:00 -
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A bad post usually follows the thought: "What kind of pygmalion should I create today?"  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1872
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:59:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:I just got in today. I paid my security deposit and processing fees just like everyone else. It took a few weeks but once the check was done, I got all of my ISK back, with interest, and now all of my possessions are on a jump freighter to VFK. You don't get to be a 3300 player corporation by never letting anyone in.
btw, the rhea with your stuff was killed by belt rats
sorry :\ andski for csm7~ |
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:54:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:rodyas wrote:Reading the mittani's post he is asking vile rat to step down over it and I imagine all those little cute candidates are gonna have to bite a similar bullet. I'm pretty sure Vile Rat didn't want to run. At least that's what I heard. If by cute candidates you mean the highsec ones, well I don't think they would follow the Mittani's orders. We would be better off if they did, but alas life is never so easy. One needs must work to obtain explosions.
I only ever intended to run one term. CSM'ing is a lot of work and I didn't want to rob people of a year that I knew I didn't have the energy for. It's been a great year, I think we accomplished a ton in our time, but it's somebody elses turn now.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.02.02 23:54:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:I only ever intended to run one term. CSM'ing is a lot of work and I didn't want to rob people of a year that I knew I didn't have the energy for. It's been a great year, I think we accomplished a ton in our time, but it's somebody elses turn now.
Thanks for all your work in improving our internet spaceships game!
Looking forward to great things from the incoming CS as well :)
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
254
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Posted - 2012.02.07 05:25:00 -
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Yeah it did sound like a lot of work, especially with people wanting more from the minutes. Thanks for the clarification. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
75
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:17:00 -
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Nice article on TenTon Hammer. I started reading it with my hackles up, thinking 'man I'm jelly I'm not a cool kid'...but can't deny the truth of it.
Sad but true for a, let's say, fairly unknown guy such as Skippermonkey that might actually have some good experience and input but just can't get past his anonymity.
...unless....he could get the right kind of support...from the right kinds of...well, you know..
Would you like a kitten? |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2927
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Posted - 2012.02.07 17:33:00 -
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Zixie Draco wrote:Nice article on TenTon Hammer. I started reading it with my hackles up, thinking 'man I'm jelly I'm not a cool kid'...but can't deny the truth of it.
Sad but true for a, let's say, fairly unknown guy such as Skippermonkey that might actually have some good experience and input but just can't get past his anonymity.
...unless....he could get the right kind of support...from the right kinds of...well, you know..
People who are anonymous don't tend to be good at persuading others to their viewpoints; if they were, they wouldn't be anonymous. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
75
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:21:00 -
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He's not exactly anonymous...I think "uncelebrated" would be a better choice of wording. Would you like a kitten? |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
257
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:32:00 -
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Yeah, anonymous mostly like to hack sites and celebrate stuff then have debates and discuss viewpoints. Suppose they know what is best already and dont care for persuading. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:46:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:People who are anonymous don't tend to be good at persuading others to their viewpoints; if they were, they wouldn't be anonymous.
So why keep the anonymity in the CSM minutes?
They used to be "real" and have identification, but now they are there to afford drama avoidance IG as a result. |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:59:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:I only ever intended to run one term. ...... but it's somebody elses turn now.
Thankfully, one less Clown running for CSM. Unfortunatley however it seems Andski is the stooged Goon attempt to shoe in an alternative to prop up the Chairmans pillow and make tea this year, lol. At least that's how they would like it to go using their bloc voting tactics.
Mind times must be hard for the Mittani if Andski is the best he can find. This is the guy who plays other games whilst their alliance is involved in a large battle. Or drones on in the EvE uni channel "every single day" about Capital problems and the call for CCP nerfs as if its obvious propoganda that needs to be added to the UNI cirriculum. But actually just bores the pants of most people in the same old water torture method. Most of the time its just flame comments on the forum like most Goons.
But then as the intended chairmans "butler", i doubt there is a need for much substance to be presented by him other than a "Yes man" to the Goon show. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:50:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Vile rat wrote:I only ever intended to run one term. ...... but it's somebody elses turn now. Thankfully, one less Clown running for CSM. Unfortunatley however it seems Andski is the stooged Goon attempt to shoe in an alternative to prop up the Chairmans pillow and make tea this year, lol. At least that's how they would like it to go using their bloc voting tactics. Mind times must be hard for the Mittani if Andski is the best he can find. This is the guy who plays other games whilst their alliance is involved in a large battle. Or drones on in the EvE uni channel "every single day" about Capital problems and the call for CCP nerfs as if its obvious propoganda that needs to be added to the UNI cirriculum. But actually just bores the pants of most people in the same old water torture method. Most of the time its just flame comments on the forum like most Goons. But then as the intended chairmans "butler", i doubt there is a need for much substance to be presented by him other than a "Yes man" to the Goon show.
lol
There's only one Goon-backed candidate this year. Andski isn't seriously considering running and even if he did it would all be on non-goon votes.
Good tinfoil though. |
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