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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:04:00 -
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Comrade Commizzar wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: I think the point is the OP was trying to get into the communist regime.
Typical exploitation of the Common Pod-Pilot. PLEASE ! The Goons are NOT Communist ! They are Capitalist Exploiters of the Masses ! The Mittani merely poses as a liberator of the Proletariat, while he and the Something Awful Leadership, in fact, pocket rivers of wealth expropriated from their worker bees. ( Now wait for it. The Mittani himself won't fail to arrive to deny everything, but he reeks of corruption.)    Evolution is pretty close to communist. Can't think of any other well-known corps/alliances that are.
Goons are communist in the same way all Western European countries are communist (i.e. not at all but that doesn't stop American rednecks from claiming otherwise). |

fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:09:00 -
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should have stuck with it and waited
you could have botted your money back and then some in the easiest alliance to bot in |

Ursula LeGuinn
124
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:09:00 -
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I could argue either side of this issue, but one thing I hope we can all agree upon is that Goonswarm recruitment scams provide a valuable service: Victims become aware of the need for incredulity in EVE, and also learn to perform their due diligence before forking their assets over to a perfect stranger.
Players who have the shirts scammed off their backs, learn from their mistake and continue playing EVE are made of stern stuff, and I welcome them into the community. "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia |

Rapala Armiron
Alcoholic Family Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:16:00 -
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Maxx86 wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B. Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity.  well... but what could i think? I mean, there's a nice red message that pops when you enter the recruitment channel. It says this: EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
I kind of felt that it was safe. The part i've underlined is quite hard to manipulate/misunderstand But that's it, some times i forget the "trust no one" rule of this game XD
Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:17:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Maxx86 wrote:...the other one was about a conversation i had, while i was in my old corporation, with our war targets. So, you admitted talking to wartargets during a war. That-¦s consorting with the enemy. What Null-Sec-Corp would hire such a person? What guarantees that you won-¦t do that again, possibly betray your Corp. Also, persons with numbers in their name aren-¦t really trustworthy either. Sorry mate, but you are really a spy or a traitor just waiting to happen...... I wouldn-¦t let you in my Corp either.
Amogst all the insults that i clearly deserved for falling for this, this is the most funny post i read so far! XD I didn't give them any intel, and I admitted it and apologized to my CEO, I mean, a spy would have tried to hide it or whatever, no? But you are right, next time I'll start a game I'll make sure I have 5 years experience with it, ok? (lol) And yeah, next time a recruiter contacts me, I'll apologize for having numbers in my name XD
gogo, mr. pro
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 14:19:00 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote:
Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
I won't die if i don't get my isk back, but it would be cool if CCP actually punished someone for breaking a rule :)
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Signal11th
421
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:16:00 -
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Maxx86 wrote:Rapala Armiron wrote:
Unfortunately you are failing to read the important part of the message, which i have bolded and italized above. CCP clearly states that any deal made or finalized outside the channel is done at the risk of persons making the deal. CCP wants it both ways -- they want the recruitment channel to be "safe" but they dont want to have the responsibility to police the actions that result out of the channel. I predict that the OP's petition is doomed.
I won't die if i don't get my isk back, but it would be cool if CCP actually punished someone for breaking a rule :)
Do you have any mail or chat logs that show him mention he got your name from the recruitment channel or with him chatting with you in the recruitment channel. If you have great send it to CCP and he'll get screwed. If not then he hasn't broken any rules and your stiffed. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:22:00 -
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That "platform" clause was recently put in there by one idiot GM without any thought to the impossibility of enforcing it.
You can never prove that someone used the recruitment channel as a "platform" and there is no clear definition of what "recruitment scamming" is or isn't.
No one will ever get banned for fishing suckers out of that channel, and Goons know it. The GM who changed the MOTD should be fired for idiocy.
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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:24:00 -
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Das Butler wrote:The Mittani wrote:i have an endless appetite for the pain and humiliation of the stupid, so when i see mails like this in my inbox, it pleases me: i think this is the op's alt and this is a person in charge of the csm. he clearly is proud of scamming and pushes his puppet to do it. WAKE UP EVE PLAYERS
OMG look! The CSM championing a perfectly legal and supported profession that I don't agree with. BAN HIM
I have little to no sympathy for people that get caught in this stuff. If you're to stupid to investigate/think about what you are doing or getting into, then it's your fault, no one elses. I have no love for Goons, but I laugh when I see people are still falling for this crap after so many years. |

destiny2
Right Ascension
20
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:28:00 -
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Ive Heard Deklain is very pretty this time of year.   |

destiny2
Right Ascension
20
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:41:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.
I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however.
But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear. Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then. This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00.
If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed.
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Maxx86
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:11:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Ghoest wrote:If the OP is being honest(which would be a dubious assumption) then he is probably correct that the Goons broke a rule.
I really dont see CCP having the balls to stand up to Mittani(or any other CSM) at this point however. But Mittani is harmless. He is a super carebear. Altho you cant really blaim Goonwaffe for this as much as i despise Goons they do give you a great chuckle every now and then. This guy is lucky it was only 6.5B 6.5B can be made in 1 month of ratting in 00. If your stupid enough to give a corp isk that you want to join then your stupid enough to get scammed.
it was just 3.25b. they asked for 6.5b, but at that point the loss would have been... well, noticeable, at least |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
131
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:18:00 -
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Our alliance does not approve this message. We have not received our royalties.
Gimme da ISK!!! |

Vladimir Tinakin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:19:00 -
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I was recruited by a Goons during the Ice Interdiction. Plopped down my 500M, had a trial run during the event to see how committed I was, and after it ended they accepted my app and returned the deposit with interest.
Frankly, everything was aboveboard and given how the spy metagame works in 0.0 these days they'd be crazy NOT to do something similar. Every few days you get a message saying '"X" is blue-shooting, be careful' until they're able to be kicked.
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Veragostin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:11:00 -
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Funny story.
I got introduced to SA via Goons in a different online game. Only lurked though, never actually joined up. Saw them here in Eve, got bored one day, decided to go over and apply (without thinking to check the SA forums). Got scammed out of 500m isk. That caused me to be like 'oh man, these guys must be having the time of their life doing this'. So I joined SA because of that. Couldn't have been a better decision.
Haven't joined them in-game yet, but I do admire their ability to find a continual stream of brain-dead morons like my nub self to get money from.
I do kind of wonder, after seeing tales like this, whats the greatest amount they've managed to scam out of an individual like this. Whoever did it, I'll probably send some isk to, just cause. |

Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
135
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:16:00 -
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Came into thread expecting a story about recruitment spam, left having gotten all that I expected. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |

Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:18:00 -
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Anyone wants into the Sideburns, here's how you do it, swear allegiance to Manchester United- After that your in. Any Liverpool, or Manchester City fans can go and join EVE University. -áThe Sideburns- Always Outnumbered- Never Outgunned. Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:33:00 -
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Common sense: we have 3300 members, how could that ever happen if we scammed everyone who applied?
Vladimir Tinan wrote: I was recruited by a Goons during the Ice Interdiction. Plopped down my 500M, had a trial run during the event to see how committed I was, and after it ended they accepted my app and returned the deposit with interest.
My story is very similar, except they had me shoot a pod in Jita since my character was too ****** to gank miners. Check my KB history on battleclinic.
So, you guys want the truth? Here's MY experience joining GoonWaffe. I could get into trouble for posting this, but I don't care anymore. I want to help you guys.
Here's how it works. First, you have to get noticed. Some recruiters are courageous and will recruit anyone, but this is dangerous because you will get kicked out if you recruit too many idiots and spies. Most select their recruits carefully. Amongst other things, they look at your killboard history and the quality of your Eve-o posting (if applicable).
Then, you have to prove your are worthy of GoonWaffe. They will ask for your full API, a security deposit and occasionally some miscellaneous other thing, such as suicide ganking some poor sap or (if you have a sadistic recruitment officer) a 250 word essay on why you want to join. You're asking for them to trust you to be a legit applicant and not a spy, isn't it a no-brainer to ask for some trust in return?
It's kind of like those trust experiments where you're asked to jump blindfolded into a void, but you know your friends will catch you. They just want you to prove you're committed.
Back to my story. My security deposit was 500 million isk. Fortunately, I happened to have a PLEX lying around from a buddy invite.
I paid it as a security deposit and gave my recruiter my full API.
The days, weeks, months passed. I was starting to get chills reading all of those scamming threads, but I knew I had done everything right, so I did not falter.
Yesterday, I checked my wallet and I noticed a transaction. Out of the blue, my recruiter had given me my 600m iskies back. That's a 500m security deposit with 20% interest. There was an EVE-mail saying that I passed the test and I was invited into GoonWaffe. This is what you get for not pussying out. The interest is financed out of all the idiots who are impatient spies or don't have the balls to wait it out.
I then contracted all of my meager assets to our JF service. It got blown up by gate rats because of a dumb pilot (you should see the thread on our forums, he's being ridiculed), but hey, it happens. I'm short of three fitted thrashers and 500m3 of random ass rat modules, but now I'm rich anyways thanks to all the Goonswarm social programs and bittervet love.
Big shout out to Randomus Namus https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Randomus%20Namus for making it happen, you're the best recruitment officer in GoonWaffe.
destiny2 wrote:Ive Heard Deklain is very pretty this time of year.   It is actually. It's just as safe as highsec, except that I get to make 50 million an hour just from salvaging in a Thrasher and 500 million a month AFK thank to nullsec PI and Goon custom offices. Enjoy paying taxes, peasants. Also, it's three jumps to anywhere thanks to the jump bridge network. What were you saying again? |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:44:00 -
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Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy. |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:18:00 -
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Maxx86 wrote:I alraedy know that i'm not going to see a single isk of what i've been scammed for (see OP) XD But i still hope some actions are going to be taken to punish the trasgresser... Unless Goons are allowed to do whatever they want and ignore all the rules in this game, ofc
they are allowed to do whatever they want and do ignore all the rules in this game. also, don't forget to generate a new API.
I really don't understand why people want to join a corp or alliance that bad that they are willing to give 75% of all their assets to a corporation that will literally do NOTHING for them. There are corporations and alliances out there that need new players that will actually give you benefits. Once a corp/alliance is as large as GOONs they don't really need to do d i c k for you and it's only a matter of THEY DONT NEED PLAYERS.
I personally can't wait for the day that either all of EVE declares war on goons until they are gone/dead or someone is paid tons of ISK to do to them what they did to BOB. forget to pay the billz and are disbanded.
sure it's a game, but victimizing people is victimizing them none-the less. even if it is surprise buttsex |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:20:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy.
you have been horribly infiltrated with spies, your day will come
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
448
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:23:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy. you have been horribly infiltrated with spies, your day will come
Even though I fully expect to die someday, I must assure you that my body is in fact free of any spy infiltrations.
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Jayem See
Drama Llamas
32
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:25:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy. you have been horribly infiltrated with spies, your day will come Even though I fully expect to die someday, I must assure you that my body is in fact free of any spy infiltrations.
*snickers*
That is what you think. Aaaaaaand relax. |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:42:00 -
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I almost fell for the TESTagram scam once.....almost lol |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
808
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:45:00 -
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The goons do a great job correcting the isk-to-IQ ratio. |

Mahut Shapier
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:46:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Also if you're applying with a 2007 toon like that failure in the OP, you better damn expect your security deposit to be a few billion isk, you spy.
Behold, everyone! Words of wisdom from the cream of the Goon crop.
The last thing a competent and clever spy determined to cause damage would do is apply to GoonWaffe with a character created years ago. A proper spy would begin by joining the Something Awful forums, familiarizing themselves with the hambeasts' insular, self-congratulatory forum culture, and would then proceed to create regular "quality posts" for a period of many months (up to a year or more) in order to ingratiate themselves with the SA community.
This wouldn't be hard to do. Typical SA forum threads, humor projects (such as their themed image "contests" or someone photographing each step of a zany science experiment), and front-page articles are less interesting and humorous than 1980s-era The Far Side calendars, while also managing to be less relevant than The Onion. I'm being generous.
The try-hard factor of Something Awful is truly a wonder of the Internet. Suffering through such nonsense just to gain the Goons' acceptance and sabotage them in a computer game would require real dedication.
Next, the potential spy must appear to have learned about the Goons' involvement in EVE naturally, as though it were any other game mentioned on their forums (which, to a genuine new SA poster, it would be). This would be the most delicate part of the process, and a light touch would be ideal. He may not even discuss EVE on the SA forum at all before applying.
Once accepted, time, patience and actual social/manipulative skills would be required to inflict significant damage to the Goons. As a group, Goons actually are fairly bright people. In fact, as EVE players, I like them. I hate their forums, but as a bunch of dorky hambeasts playing a computer game, they're all right.
Point is though, all this paranoid garbage and fuss about small-time awoxers and intel-passers is just that, garbage and fuss. It won't save you from a smart, dedicated spy or a disgruntled (or bored) turncoat. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
793
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:53:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:The only positive in this story is that you stopped before giving them another 6.5B. Oh, the other positive is that you remain a proud non-member of goons. You might be an idiot but at least you still have your soul and integrity. 
This made my day.
Thank you, I just have a big smile right now thx to you  |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
451
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:06:00 -
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Sorry, I missed this.
arcca jeth wrote:
I personally can't wait for the day that either all of EVE declares war on goons until they are gone/dead or someone is paid tons of ISK to do to them what they did to BOB. forget to pay the billz and are disbanded.
According to what I can read on our awesome secret websites, holy **** are you late. On all counts. |

El Sergio YBrava
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 20:10:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote: It is actually. It's just as safe as highsec, except that I get to make 50 million an hour just from salvaging in a Thrasher and 500 million a month AFK thank to nullsec PI and Goon custom offices. Enjoy paying taxes, peasants. Also, it's three jumps to anywhere thanks to the jump bridge network. What were you saying again?
and some people wonder why there is so much hate between null and high sec, you can be casual in both but without the social network you stick to high sec and pay for the null seccers (no.... plex are not dropped by null rats).
I am not a goon hater, they earned what they got with a lot of organization. But I am not sure if this ISK cliff is the best for EVE in general. It would be interesting to see some stats of how many accounts in EVE belong to NPC or small corps (under 20) and how that changed over the last two years.
Goons will never be for me as EVE is a game I play for fun only and has a lower priority in my life, but I enjoy playing, sometimes more and sometimes less, RL first :)
P.S. and I will not post with my main because I learned the hard way that some people take this game far to serious and can not separate between ingame and the forum.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:31:00 -
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Mahut Shapier wrote:would then proceed to create regular "quality posts" for a period of many months If quality posting was a requirement for Goonwaffe membership the corp would have about three people in it and two of them would be spies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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