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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.03.09 04:31:00 -
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What's worse is that the tactic of naming a can "you", targetting it and another player, then warp-scrambling the can, thus creating a message "Player A has started trying to warp scramble "you"" appears.
I think the corp. ticker appears behind it, somewhat ruining the effect, but it's more likely to trick a n00by, don't you think?
While locking on to people to get them to fire on you is a legitimate (if lame) tactic, actually going THIS far would probably be against the rules. It seems to fit in the same category as naming yourself "Serpentis Patroller" or making a corp ticker of [GM] to pass yourself off as a GM... naming something to intentionally mislead people is a no-no.
Allowed or not, these guys who sit there trying to sucker noobs into shooting them make me want to train an alt to fly Kestrels and use cruise missiles... 
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Drath
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Posted - 2004.03.09 05:10:00 -
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When I first started playing someone did this to me. He locked my ship as we were approaching a gate. I knew though that if I opened fire concord would fry me so I just right clicked the target icon and selected untarget. The only reason I knew about this is because I saw it mentioned in the forum. I doubt most players read the forums. I believe that CCP should put something in the tutorial about it. If a new player decides that the tutorial is taking to long they can always stop it. In which case it is there own fault if they fall for this tactic. Some warning should be there for the first time though.
Just my .02 cents
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Cousin IT
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Posted - 2004.03.09 06:16:00 -
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well here's what the developer Blizzard has to say. Grief players are those who are basically bored with the game and have nothing to do but cause grief to others in the game.
If sitting around waiting for some new person who doesn't know better to fire upon someone who target lockes them and results in the new players ship destruction, they yes, they are causing grief to other players. Basically getting laughs from players who don't know better.
So, you players tell me, is someone who takes advantage of new players inexperience to get the new players to basically cause themselves to get blow up , causing grief to them or not?
If someone did that to you, or tried to manipulate you to do an action that would cause your ship to be destroyed causing you grief?
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.09 06:53:00 -
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If someone did that to you, or tried to manipulate you to do an action that would cause your ship to be destroyed causing you grief?
If someone did that to me, I'd just be amuzed by the treachery they invented. And I'd be sure to figure out how to avoid it pretty quick. Half the fun is figuring out and solving problems, learning not to make old mistakes.
The best time to learn all this is in the noob stage, cause ships are free and clones are dirt cheap.
The only way to cause true "grief" is to damage another player's character repeatedly without a chance for them to do anything about it. EVE is pretty safe in this respect. And by the same definition, gate camping in Yuli is not griefing, cause it can be avoided without much hassle. It does create inconveniences, but nothing people can't handle.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.09 07:02:00 -
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Well, Molly, you are the definition of lame.
Constantly whining about that CCP makes it harder for you to gief new players.
Calling ME a carebear? LMAO.
I consider myself a VERY experienced player. I "only" do PvP.
The difference is that what I call PvP is real combat between fleets or individuals. I have the balls to jump through a gate with 30 enemy battleships on the other side. Or warp in and attack 2 vs 4. What you call PvP is when you and 10 of your friends gank an industrial at a gate.
For the game to develop we need a safe enviroment for new players and a brutal enviroment for experienced players. You try to do the complete opposite. You try to gank and grief new players (which may make them quit) while you don't have what it takes to go out in the world where the good players are.
You are a carebear and your assumptions are just wrong. But I don't care, people who I fight or who fight me know it better.
Carebear. (Even if you are a "VERY" experienced PvPing one. ROFL.)
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.09 07:08:00 -
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"Griefing? hell yea.
Allowed? shouldn't be. GM's should check them out, hand them a warning, and a temp ban if they continue."
... Wouldn't it make more sense to simply add clear explanation how targetting and security system works to the starting tutorial, instead?
Arguing with him is just a waste of time. As we all know now, he is a very experienced PvP'er who never ever shot a new player in the game. Before firing one round of ammo, he is interviewing the potential victim 30 minutes long, having him webified and warp jammed. If the result of the interview is that his victim is a new player he reimburses the victim's lost time by paying him 1 Million ISK. He also petitions himself for griefing a new player.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.09 07:11:00 -
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I need to bring my "EVE Offline" site back online.
Looks like we can hand out some new awards: PvP'er of the week. "I have the balls to do 2 vs 4 and to jump into a gate with 30 enemy battleships while you need 10 ships to gank an industrial."
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.09 07:21:00 -
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Just a quick query about this idiots who sit at the gates and target everybody who flies by, hoping for them to open fire in a mad panic and thus get dusted by the sentry guns/conord and thence to loot their stuff.
Is this griefing/allowed/ what?
It seems to be a growing phenomonen nowadays and I find it particularly distateful in that it is most common around the newbie systems, the intent clearly to take advantage of those inexperienced in the game and who will think they are being attacked.
Thoughts? Comments?
Does this have anything to do with me randomly targetting BBBB guys today in the Citadel region?
All I can say is this, if you're dumb enough to shoot back well, LOL@U. =]
(and yes sometimes people do shoot back haha)
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.03.09 09:27:00 -
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Can always tell who the griefers are in about the first 5 minutes reading the forums. Congratulations Sally, you are clearly the all time winner.
Almost every one of your posts consists of how unhappy you are with rules preventing you from gate camping and griefing noobs. You suggested removing concord, etc in other posts.
You should clearly be banned from the game because you serve no real purpose for anything constructive, just griefing noobs.
Griefing = bad. No matter how much it gets you off. Taking action to prevent people like you from ruining the game experiences of other players isn't just something CCP can do, it's something they SHOULD be doing. If doing this ruins your day...GOOD!
Go watch the TankCEO video where he shows you how real pirates opperate. When you can do what he does then maybe you will be worthy of respect. Right now I just see a bully who is ****ed off that they added extra cops to make the school safer.
Bullies = terrorists, terrorists = bad btw. In case you haven't bothered watching the news ever. The real world doesn't allow griefing, a realistic game world wouldn't allow it either.
May I also take a moment to suggest you actually get out there and challenge experienced players to PvP instead of gate camping noobs? Oh wait, experienced players shoot back, guess you won't be getting anywhere near them.
(now go ahead and tell me how you fight in battles (most likely from the rear) with lots of other people, and are the "i r teh wtfpwn WIN!")
Note: I might be wrong here, but judging from your posts I'd be VERY supprised.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Angel Alita
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Posted - 2004.03.09 09:44:00 -
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Can you even shoot someone with a mining laser anyway?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.09 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 09/03/2004 10:43:54
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Note: I might be wrong here, but judging from your posts I'd be VERY supprised.
You are right. And I need someone to show me how a real pirate operates. To prove that your are right (since you didn't) I will use only one type of argument: CONCORD mails I got, when I got killed while griefing noobs in high security systems ->
1. 2004.03.08 05:06:00
Ship Type: Raven
Solar System: 9UY4-H
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Murphy (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 2.7
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship Type: Scorpion
Weapon Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I
Name: Gris
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Name: Steel Rat
Security Status: 1.7
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship Type: Megathron
Name: Ultan Devastator
Security Status: 1.3
Corporation: Pegasus Mining and Securities
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Name: Unferth Devastator
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Pegasus Mining and Securities
Ship Type: Scorpion
Name: Tramp
Security Status: 2.3
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
Ship Type: Apocalypse
2. 2004.03.01 00:40:00
Ship Type: Scorpion
Solar System: Y-MPWL
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Ultan Devastator
Security Status: 1.3
Corporation: Pegasus Mining and Securities
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Name: Unferth Devastator (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Pegasus Mining and Securities
Ship Type: Scorpion
Weapon Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I
Name: UBERSOLDAT
Security Status: -0.2
Corporation: Dirty Deeds Corp.
3. 2004.02.23 22:41:00
Ship Type: Scorpion
Solar System: Kheram
System Security Level: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Ishukone Corporation (laid the final blow)
4. 2004.02.02 06:15:00
Ship Type: Scorpion
Solar System: PF-346
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
(bugged mail, have been around 5 battleships, including:)
Name: Gyrn Fzirth (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.9
Corporation: Celestial Apocalypse
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I
5. 2004.01.30 18:34:00
Ship Type: Tempest
Solar System: YZ-LQL
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Sick Boy
Security Status: 4.9
Corporation: Free Imperial Vikings
Ship Type: Tempest
Name: barabis
Security Status: 2.4
Corporation: Danger Incorporated
Ship Type: Megathron
Name: Hugtand
Security Status: 1.9
Corporation: Free Imperial Vikings
Ship Type: Tempest
Name: Syniteon
Security Status: 1.0
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Name: Zedone
Security Status: 1.9
Corporation: Cold Fusion Inc.
Ship Type: Megathron
Name: Insaniac (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 4.9
Corporation: Free Imperial Vikings
Ship Type: Raven
Weapon Type: 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I
Name: Jowan
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Armageddon
Name: JUDGE 4S
Security Status: 0.4
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: Arkazzul
Security Status: 0.1
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Raven
Name: DeepThought
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Carbide Industries
Name: Xtreme Wrath
Security Status: 2.2
Corporation: Carbide Industries
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: shone
Security Status: 1.8
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: Krle
Security Status: 0.4
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: Don ZOLA
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: Sigmastik
Security Status: 0.1
Corporation: 4S Corporation
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: Dhan
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing
Ship Type: Blackbird
Name: Viraxo
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: Free Imperial Vikings
Ship Type: Raven
This are my (battleship) losses only, as you see, I never go to 0.0 space, I always get killed by a lonely pilot in an Ibis in Yulai, I never fight bad odds, I never risk anything and only grief noobs in high security systems.
Cheers.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.03.09 12:06:00 -
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I stand somewhat corrected. May I point out however, that from many of your posts it appears that you like gate camping noobs, and even advocate that practice. This may not be true, but you do come across that way.
So let me apologize if I was incorrect, but point out that your own words seem to implicate you. Sorry for any undeserved condemnation. I really don't know you, so perhaps I should have asked in game? I'll know better next time. 
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.03.09 14:23:00 -
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Can't you just delete yourself or get yourself banned or whatever you did with your last character, plz?
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.09 14:48:00 -
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I stand somewhat corrected. May I point out however, that from many of your posts it appears that you like gate camping noobs, and even advocate that practice. This may not be true, but you do come across that way.
So let me apologize if I was incorrect, but point out that your own words seem to implicate you. Sorry for any undeserved condemnation. I really don't know you, so perhaps I should have asked in game? I'll know better next time.
Sorry to disappoint you, I always wanted all of empire space safe. And I obeyed to it with my first character Molly until I got security rating hits outside empire space (systems with no sovereignity). (Since (clueless) GMs didn't want to fix my security status and since they said stuff like "a good pirate has to know which systems give security rating hits and which not" even the systems were bugged (now fixed, thanks CCP) I changed my views on that then. I killed a view people in 1.0 (includig *****Cat who dropped around 250k isogen  ) and in 0.5 (Nonni).)
Now killing everything < 0.5 is fair game for me, regardless how it is achieved. I don't **** the people who kill me in 15 vs 1 over regardless how it has been achieved also. Some of the FA vs. m0o / FE war was based on log on (exploit now) / log off tactics, but I don't care. Everyone who shot me did a good job, regardless of how much my stupidity helped them. I always say well done, good game.
It is just hilarious how fast people cry EXPLOIT or GRIEFER and how much people believe in the legends made on the forums.
What is even more hilarious is that CCP doesn't have a clue about a common concept called healer vs. NPCs aggro in other MMORPGs and the carebear whinage after all the AFK people started to die in Yulai because something unusual happened.
Everytime something is considered exploit, some noob petitions that against me. Jumping in somewhere, staying cloaked = log on exploit. ROFL. Gate activation anyone?
I once warped away after shooting some missiles and a friend of my target warped in after and only saw the missiles (I was already gone). He petitioned me for using a grid exploit. ROFL.
And locking people for fun while traveling, hoping that they will shoot back is for me nothing else than giving some of the **** back the whining community EVE has.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.09 15:04:00 -
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Does this have anything to do with me randomly targetting BBBB guys today in the Citadel region?
Nope. Nothing at all Jim.
This was specifically some eejits haunting the nublar systems gate.
Our guys are used to haivng you around now anyway 
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:47:00 -
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Does this have anything to do with me randomly targetting BBBB guys today in the Citadel region?
Nope. Nothing at all Jim.
This was specifically some eejits haunting the nublar systems gate.
Our guys are used to haivng you around now anyway
I target people around stations and gates whenever changing setups to check my lock-times against different kinds of ships.
Are you seriously claiming that is griefing?
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:00:00 -
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To original poster.
Why even bring up such idiocy on the board? How is targeting someone griefing? Its part of the game and its part of scanning them or initiating combat. So why not say that whoever uses a cargo or ship scanner or shoots somebody is a griefer? GET REAL.
Please dont feed the fire when other idiots cry foul when someone targets them. Its your responsibility to know the rules of the game. If you fire at someone who targets you and you get blown up by sentry gun or concord LOL @ u.
Morkt go end yourself quietly in the corner. ty
removed the insult -Eris Discordia
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Basileus
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:45:00 -
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To original poster.
Why even bring up such idiocy on the board? How is targeting someone griefing? Its part of the game and its part of scanning them or initiating combat. So why not say that whoever uses a cargo or ship scanner or shoots somebody is a griefer? GET REAL.
Please dont feed the fire when other idiots cry foul when someone targets them. Its your responsibility to know the rules of the game. If you fire at someone who targets you and you get blown up by sentry gun or concord LOL @ u.
Morkt go end yourself quietly in the corner. ty
removed the insult -Eris Discordia
Agreed. some more random insults -Basileus |
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