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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.09 08:22:00 -
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Ý find megatron rather easy... almost killed Blaster tron on armor tankked typhoon whit MWD
--- then i got disconekt from state serwer  when twit launched all his drones and i lost...
moral lesson of story: if u are loosing, try to lag enemy out by all means nececery 
(i whuld have won it!!!  )
anyway - Blastertron must sacrifise lot on defence to achive enought damage/speed
1 on 1 its good.. in fleetgangs it got r0yaly owned
and rails....well i dont know.. i had rail-tron fiaring at me from diferent ranges, didint realy impress me by damage 
i still prefer Tempest and Raven as damage dealer 
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.03.09 08:37:00 -
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Seems you are grasping for reasons why you lost Siddy. Freud would be very happy :)
Drones weren't a means of lagging you because I was losing, they were one of the primary weapons. And it worked good too, you died. The hard part in a Megathron is to get in close, but after you had pounded me for a bit and I did get within desired range, you went down like a spruce to a tank.
I told you even before we started shooting each other to accept defeat. And you did. Can you please do it after you've fought as well? Thank you! 
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Mitram
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Posted - 2004.03.09 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mitram on 09/03/2004 11:31:37
I understand that megathron needs dmg/tracking bonus for blasters (the short range weapons). I don't understand why megathron gets these dmg/tracking bonus for 425's (the long range weapons)
Maybe blasters should have their own category instead of mixing them with long range hybrid weapons.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.03.09 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 09/03/2004 11:54:09
Well, imo, the bonuses are ok atm.
80-95% of all megathron users fly with rails, not blasters.
I post blaster set-ups here too, but in reality rarely use one  . Now accept that fact first.
Then look at 425 rail dot compared to 1400mm and tach/megabeam dot. Also compare the tanking/defense capabilities of the ships using those: Tempest and Apoc.
At the end things are well ablanced at the moment. Damage versus taking or other use of cap and medslots is pretty balanced. Tempest is probably nr1, mega nr2 and apoc nr3 when using the race specific weapons.
But as soon as an apoc user trains up projectiles the apoc gets to be number 2 instead of the megathron. The enormous cap on that ship, used just for defense, offsets the lesser damage versus rails on a mega.
Now other use of cap and medslots then shieldtanking makes the whole picture different again. But in the end, at longer range, the tempest stays nr1, with apoc and mega pretty well balanced.
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shakaZ XV
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Posted - 2004.03.09 11:57:00 -
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1. Since it's a tier 1 ship it "should" loose against tier 2 ships.
Think about this. Apoc vs. Scorpion. the Apoc doesn't stand a change on winning that.
I know that tier 1 is suppose to be worse in some way. BUT GOD DAMN IT. IT SHOULD HAVE SOMTHING BETTER.
If the scorp is EW, the apoc probably can't win... However, the apoc can't *lose* such a battle. If the scorp is tanked, a proper setup apoc will kill it.
hmm... not with lasers it wont (2x EM + 1x thermal wards, XL + boost amp > lasers...standard tank scorp) so i'd love to hear what u would consider a "proper" setup then :P
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.03.09 11:59:00 -
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LOL, really, I mean it. A scorpion is the WORST 1vs1 ship. It can't possibly kill another battleship. There's just no way to do that.
Large energy neutralizers?
I know that works on a raven, but I'm not sure the scorp can sustain the cap they need (what with only 4 low slots).
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Outcastino
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Posted - 2004.03.09 12:08:00 -
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Yesterday on chaos in a big ffa, a scorp, a raven and a typhoon were left, scorp and a raven were both pounding the typhoona for 10 minutes before it finnaly died out. Then the raven kicked the scorps ass. There you go for missile firepower :P
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.03.09 12:13:00 -
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The dominix can shield tank and has a cap recharge to back it up with 7 lows. gg. 5 mid 7 low, needs like 500-750 more grid to give it a 'creative' grid amount.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2004.03.09 15:45:00 -
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Dont touch my Megathron ! !  .
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Mitram
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 09/03/2004 11:54:09
Then look at 425 rail dot compared to 1400mm and tach/megabeam dot. Also compare the tanking/defense capabilities of the ships using those: Tempest and Apoc.
And thats the point. The megathron gets a 25% bonus on damage. A megathron can fit 6 425 and 2 dmg mods easily plus the usual battle mods. The tach gives 25% more dmg for 28% more cap than the mega beam over time. There is no way to fit 6 tach plus 2 dmg mods plus the usual battle mods. (or even 5 tach plus 2 dmg mods .... without runing out of cap very fast)
So lets assume that 425 and mega do equal dmg. You can equip 6 mega and 2 dmg mods plus the usual battle mods barely on an apoc. So the difference between a megathron and an apoc is 25% less dmg and 25% less tracking for the apoc, not counting the huge cap usage difference.
I think you can do some similar calculation against a Tempest. You always get the 25% bonus of the megathorn as an addon, only that for a Tempest the range advantage can be counted too.
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Amy Foxx
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:26:00 -
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Currently the megathron is overpowered. It gets the best tracking and the best dmg output over time. With high skills you get almost only excellent or well aimed shoots. Its damage output is superior to a well equiped Apoc. It has no cap problems due to the weapons it must use to get the dmg bonus.
Please discuss
I think someone got owned by a 'blasterthorn'
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Lilani Kuzma
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Posted - 2004.03.09 21:46:00 -
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I'm a megathron user so naturally i dont want them to be changed but thats not the point.
The way i see it every eve player who has a battleship wants their setup/ship to be the best so they'll moan for their ship to be given love or get other ships nerfed/ or get their weapons boosted other weapons nerfed etc etc etc...
While there are some valid points that are made on these forums which are genuinally good points (and ccp takes these in) its posts like this just waste ccp time cause if the bonus' get taken away then everyone's gonna complain (including me  ) for them to come back (remember when rails were so awful no-one used them?).
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