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Biolaja Tista Gallente Soulbound. Tenth Legion	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:24:00 - [1] I don't think so. Most (but not necessarily all) licensed games take great liberties with the source material that alienates the fanbase and makes it flop like a fish out of water. STO will be no different. Perhaps it could harm the profits of World of WarCraft very slightly for a short time, but that would be the only good side effect. And get this: STO will let you buy in-game items with real money. What's next? Allowing the injection of in-game money whenever people want it? STO would be an economist's worst nightmare...
Hanno Mir	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:26:00 - [2] Eve has the advantage of being cool, plus now when anyone plays Eve we can say "go back to STO noob"... well I wouldnt because I'm a nice person but all you other people can feel free to do so at your leisure.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:28:00 - [3] 1) MMO's from well-known franchises have a poor history. LOTRO and SWG spring to mind. 2) Star Trek games have, almost without exception been appalling in the past, with developers relying on the huge popularity of the franchise to sell the games, rather than actually, y'know, making a good game! 3) Er... EVE allows buying in-game items with real money, it's called the GTC for ISK trade. People need to stop fooling themselves that it's anything except RMT really :( So, I agree with you, I don't think STO will be a major threat to EVE. I'd also imagine that a Star Trek online universe would be pretty "fluffy"... not much room in that genre for non-consensual pvp and piracy wouldn't you say Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:28:00 - [4] Originally STO was perhaps a bit of competition with EVE, but now that has been bought by a company that wants to make it a "more casual gaming experience", i doubt it can even pretend to be competition.
Groes Thir Gallente Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:29:00 - [5] STO? So every seventh knob naming their character P1card or Piccard or Plkc4rt... You get the idea.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:31:00 - [6] I see any new MMORPG as a new chance to find another game I like. So I'm quite happy. The more announcements of upcoming MMORPGs the better. Sadly most of them turn out to be not what I expect from an MMORPG ( either I'm immediately bored or after some days or weeks, maybe months if they are good. ^^)
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Groes Thir STO? So every seventh knob naming their character P1card or Piccard or Plkc4rt... You get the idea. Yes. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/12/2007 16:34:40 Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/12/2007 16:33:08 Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: Groes Thir STO? So every seventh knob naming their character P1card or Piccard or Plkc4rt... You get the idea. Yes. I'm older already, I've grown up with K1rk as a child. So that would be my name. edit: And I want a tribble as pet ofc.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 02/12/2007 16:33:08 Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: Groes Thir STO? So every seventh knob naming their character P1card or Piccard or Plkc4rt... You get the idea. Yes. I'm older already, I've grown up with K1rk as a child. So that would be my name. I'd fight Sh4tner. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:37:00 - [10] i want one of those furry tribbles too :)
oniplE Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:55:00 - [11] How can another game be a threat to us? We play this game, we do not own it. It just forces CCP to be better than the competition, aka EVE gets better :) x
Maximada Minmatar FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:00:00 - [12] its probably going to be crap but to be honest i think its good for EVE to get a bit of competition so that everyone raises their game. Cant be a bad thing for us the subscribers.
Biolaja Tista Gallente Soulbound. Tenth Legion	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Apocryphai 3) Er... EVE allows buying in-game items with real money, it's called the GTC for ISK trade. People need to stop fooling themselves that it's anything except RMT really :( We're technically "buying" money from other players, so no additional money is actually injected into the economy: it was already there. That's what makes EVE unique and balanced.
Anell Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:12:00 - [14] Star Trek Online was announced about 4 years ago. In that time they have not released a single full fledged screen shot. By that I mean they haven't released a screen shot that shows the game environment and even the start of a GUI. The most I have seen is a couple of models (supposedly made "in game") and some concept art. Additionally the entire game reeked of over achievement. The original design called for full fledged space combat, on board ship life, away mission combat, and space stations you could walk around in. There has never ever been a game that can properly pull off all those different aspects because quite frankly thats really calling for 3 different games entirely. And now they have announced the game will be redesigned for a casual player and use real money for items (possibly instead of a monthly fee). I have been following MMOs far too long to not see the writing on the wall on this one. Star Trek Online will be lucky to ever reach a retail environment. And if it does the chances are very good it will be a low quality game that probably just allows for normal ship combat like previous star trek games in a semi persistent environment. I doubt if it would appeal to the same sort of individual that would like EVE.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/12/2007 17:13:36 Originally by: Apocryphai 2) Star Trek games have, almost without exception been appalling in the past, with developers relying on the huge popularity of the franchise to sell the games, rather than actually, y'know, making a good game! You haven't played A Final Unity or Bridge Commander. Both excellent games. Especially the latter. They make up for all the crap ones. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/12/2007 17:13:36 Originally by: Apocryphai 2) Star Trek games have, almost without exception been appalling in the past, with developers relying on the huge popularity of the franchise to sell the games, rather than actually, y'know, making a good game! You haven't played A Final Unity or Bridge Commander. Both excellent games. Especially the latter. They make up for all the crap ones. Bridge commander was great, EVE could learn some lessons from it. Shattered universe on the other hand Legacys not to bad in a shooty pew pew way but it gets old fast. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:28:00 - [17] I am so gonna try this game when its out. <<< Big trek fan I dont think it will be a big threat to eve though, it may even make ccp add more empire mission content such as planetary missions when all that stuff is added one day.
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:28:00 - [18] I doubt it will be much of a threat. After all it's Star Trek so they'll probably have the moral code and preachiness of the TV shows. Meaning no pvp and you probably can't play any of the baddies like the Borg or Cardassians. -- Join M8S Racing Team sponsored by Frontier Technologies!
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:30:00 - [19] Everyone would play borg hehe.
Kavol Valarius Amarr Unity of Honor Legion of Honor	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Crumplecorn You haven't played A Final Unity or Bridge Commander. Both excellent games. Especially the latter. They make up for all the crap ones. I absolutely loved Bridge Commander, it was one of those games that I really didn't want to end. But let's not forget its father, the old and venerable Starfleet Academy. That was insanely fun and I personally loved the real actors in each between-mission movie. No games do real actors anymore.. it's a pity.. they're also one of the reasons I loved Wing Commander 3, 4, and Prophecy so much. -----
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Apocryphai 2) Star Trek games have, almost without exception been appalling in the past, with developers relying on the huge popularity of the franchise to sell the games, rather than actually, y'know, making a good game! Star Fleet Command 1-3 were pretty damn good, EVE could also benefit from how ship combat is handled there..
Narffy	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Commander Prishe Everyone would play borg hehe. Of course, everyone has been assimilated. No reason to come out with the game now.
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Apocryphai 1) MMO's from well-known franchises have a poor history. LOTRO and SWG spring to mind. I think World of Warcraft is fairly popular, though.
Konquera McCall Acme Import Export	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Apocryphai 1) MMO's from well-known franchises have a poor history. LOTRO and SWG spring to mind. I thought LOTRO was doing quite well?
Slik Minmatar NYIT Gangstaz SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:11:00 - [25] Those who mentioned SWG was a flop let me correct you - it was very good in the early days before the devs screwed it up for everyone. Yep.
Jupiter Sun	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:18:00 - [26] star trek armada I and II were great, but they were RTS games... so many mmos these days....
Jerusalem Eve Amarr Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:19:00 - [27] If they licenced EVE and reskinned the ships to look like Star Trek I would be worried. There are a lot of Trek fans who would love to pvp in a Klingon ship.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Jerusalem Eve If they licenced EVE and reskinned the ships to look like Star Trek I would be worried. There are a lot of Trek fans who would love to pvp in a Klingon ship. Isnt STO supposed to be a pure PVE game? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Scel Eratus	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Biolaja Tista I don't think so. Most (but not necessarily all) licensed games take great liberties with the source material that alienates the fanbase and makes it flop like a fish out of water. STO will be no different. Perhaps it could harm the profits of World of WarCraft very slightly for a short time, but that would be the only good side effect. And get this: STO will let you buy in-game items with real money. What's next? Allowing the injection of in-game money whenever people want it? STO would be an economist's worst nightmare... Oh my god you might have to play a different game! What a horrifying thought. Options, choices, these must terrify you. I am happy whenever any major MMO is released, because each furthers development of the genre. WoW did more for the MMO genre than any single game released, including UO and EQ. Why? Because it broadened the market substantially. Now games like Eve Online and the future Star Trek Online can survive targeting niche markets because the market base is larger. And, while using a well known licensed material for a game hasn't always done well in the past, there have been some exceptional games as well, though they go mostly ignored because sterotyping usually wins over common sense.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Slik Those who mentioned SWG was a flop let me correct you - it was very good in the early days before the devs screwed it up for everyone. Well... it wasn't very good. It was OK, it had potential. It wasn't very Star Warsy and it had some serious grinding issues (profession grinding to unlock Jedi slot was a terrible game mechanic). I think the total horror of the NGE makes a lot of people see pre-NGE SWG through rose-tinted spectacles a bit Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
ChimeraRouge Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:44:00 - [31] Who needs any other game when we have EVE? Traitors don't bother coming back
zilllii Squirrel Power	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:03:00 - [32] SGW will be the one to worry about i think.
Talkietoaster	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:06:00 - [33] Perpetual Entertainment (the company to produce STO) was just recently making headlines amidst rumours (?) that it was being sold off: i am not worried ;-) www.eve-portal.de - Dein Einstieg in die Welt von EVE-Online - www.eve-portal.ch
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Apocryphai Originally by: Groes Thir STO? So every seventh knob naming their character P1card or Piccard or Plkc4rt... You get the idea. Yes. Don't forget the EVE one: http://www.cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20051223 _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:27:00 - [35] Edited by: Ja''kar on 02/12/2007 19:28:07 I dunno if most of the carebears leave for it - then can eve be playable? I mean its in space - no nasty pvp and they cannot be ganked - seems eve has only got the numbers as its in space - those that grind pointless missions all day can have a game they always wanted, A space grind where they can pretend to be good a pvp with no pvp - sort fluffy eve Eve is old 2bh I wish there was a new game out there
Phaige Minmatar Reaver Construction Services	Posted - 2007.12.02 20:13:00 - [36] A friend of mine, the kind that can watch 3 seconds of an TNG episode and tell you every detail of it... ya, has been following this. Last I heard you could play The Federation, Klingons and one other that I dont remember. Also, you speciallised. So ya, who wants to be the Transporter Op? Anyone? Ya, everyone wants to be the captain. After that I stoped following it, cause even if they do make it it will be crap tastic, or under that model all one man shuttle type ships. Add in what I've read here... ya, disapointed, but not worried. ----------------------------------------------- You may be a King or a little Street Sweeper, but sooner or later you dance wi' de' Reaper!
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.12.02 20:31:00 - [37] Edited by: Dave White on 02/12/2007 20:32:46 It seems Perpetual have had some ownership changes, and the new owners plan on making it more 'casual' (like that's possible with a Star Trek game) Linkage So no, we probably shouldn't be worried. Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
capsilus	Posted - 2007.12.02 20:52:00 - [38] Edited by: capsilus on 02/12/2007 20:53:18 lol It will never be eve, i have been reading the dev blog for a while now, and everything i have read turned me off. no 3D flight, constrained to a 2D plane, how lame, no real pvp unless you are in the holodeck. Also adopts the general characteristics of all the other mmo's like having to do repeated away missions to level. come on. and all the away missions are in first person shooter perspective just like UT. There are some cool ideas regarding starships and there operation. you can be with a gang of players on the same starships with there own unique skills. so one would be the captin at helm responsible for navigation while others are on, weapons/tactical, engineering, and away teams. dont no, will have to wait. but by them will have ambulation and planetery flight.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 21:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Commander Prishe Everyone would play borg hehe. I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:19:00 - [40] Originally by: zilllii SGW will be the one to worry about i think. It has a lot of potential and just as much of a crowd puller as the star trek licence. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:31:00 - [41] Star Trek Online = already know the timeline and story. EVE Online, we make the story and timeline. 'nuff said. --- lol.. I messed up.
Samuel Walton	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:42:00 - [42] No. I'm sure that 99% of the players will create a Seven of Nine toon and go around cyber-whoring themselves out for credits ala Sims Online, so the game will consist solely of a holodeck suite.
Nova Fox	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:43:00 - [43] didnt the studio for STO get eaten?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Apocryphai Ahh, no, I haven't played Final Unity, but yeah Bridge Commander was v good. I did say "almost without exception" though That is true, I missed that when I originally responded. If you haven't played Bridge Commander in a while look it up again, the modders are adding all kinds of crazy stuff to it these days. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:58:00 - [45] The Starfleet dosent pay their officers and crews... how will anyone buy anything.. there is no money in the "popular" ST universe. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Illyria Ambri The Starfleet dosent pay their officers and crews... how will anyone buy anything.. there is no money in the "popular" ST universe. This causes me to laugh at the notion that they'd charge real money for in-game items. Totally breaks the fiction of ST. I'm sure Gene is rolling over in his grave. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.03 06:29:00 - [47] Last I heard the whole game had it's features gutted and there was no pvp. Fail imo.

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